Casting out demons....

If you wish, you can check the following website;


http://www.spiritualwarfaredeliverance.com/html/biblical-spiritual-warfare.html

Suggest reading the book pigs in the parlor by frank hammond.
I dont know what to make of ALL of it you would need to draw your own conclusions, but...yes deliverance of demons is real. You can also do self deliverance. It doesnt need to be through a pastor, many pastors dont do it as they busy with other issues. Some are dedicated.

As for derek prince he has a lot of good teaching to impart but for me some of it didnt make sense, and I know he was involved with some questionable doctrine in his later years.

There is a book that helped me if I remember the name..I think it was called .christian set yourself free...
And in nz theres an healing evangelist called Bill subritzky who has a minsitry called Dove ministries. Hes the real deal, he (And his wife) has prayed for me.

LoricaLady said:

They say that deliverance is for believers because nonbelievers can't hold onto it really.

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I would seriously question this point. "Freely you have received, freely give". There is a new crop of healing evangelists arising that realize that their faith alone can be sufficient for healing, and that the goodness of God shown to the unbeliever can bring repentance. Todd White, most notably, and Art Thomas are two of many. I think Prince, bless him, was in the vanguard back then, but the Body has more light now on healing and deliverance and how they fit into the constellation of love, identity and evangelism.

LoricaLady said:

I have been listening to Youtube vids by Derek Prince and Frank Hammond, who had deliverance ministries. They quote many Bible verses to show that Messiah was always casting out demons and that He told His followers to do the same. They say it is not that believers are being possessed by demons, only harassed by them. They quote instances in the Bible where believers were freed from such demons, for example the women who was bent over in the Temple, called a daughter of Abraham, who was described as being bound by Satan.

They say that deliverance is for believers because nonbelievers can't hold onto it really.

I am very skeptical about deliverance ministries as there are so many fakes out there and some I've seen online seem, to me, at least, to not be for real. Hammond and Prince impress me as being sincere. If you know anything different, please share. And btw though Prince was in the questionable Shepherding movement, he came to feel they disagreed with Scriptures and got out of it.

I have only talked to one person who felt she was delivered of a demon or demons through a pastor.

If you have had any such experiences and want to share, even by PM, that would be fascinating.

Any input?

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me from an Asian Culture, I have heard of this type of deliverance before

The interesting thing is I have always been told that believers can be possess by a demon too, through opening the door to them through sin.

TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:

me from an Asian Culture, I have heard of this type of deliverance before

The interesting thing is I have always been told that believers can be possess by a demon too, through opening the door to them through sin.

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No, they can't. A demon trying to inhabit an authentic Believer would come face-to-face with the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit 1, demon 0.

Winken said:

No, they can't. A demon trying to inhabit an authentic Believer would come face-to-face with the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit 1, demon 0.

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TravelerFarAwayFromHome said:

The interesting thing is I have always been told that believers can be possess by a demon too, through opening the door to them through sin.

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I think that a believer cannot be POSSESSED by a demon, but OPPRESSED is a different story. If we arn't walking very very close to god and a demon just starts to hammer and hammer and hammer away out our life and we don't even recognize its demonic because for some reason we believe that demons just can't touch us at all then he will take whatever he can grab.

Deliverance is a very real part of the Ministry. In fact Jesus said in scripture that the very act of deliverance brings God's kingdom to earth. All deliverance is through Christ.
It is very real. And yes, a Christian can have a demon, but cannot be possessed. Or in other words, a demon cannot HAVE a Christian.

Yes, I agree - and I believe that is still very true today. Although it is possible for both believer and unbeliever alike to be delivered, the difference is that with an unbeliever the freedom won't last.

Matthew 12:44 onwards (NLT):
43 “When an evil[f] spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the person I came from.’ So it returns and finds its former home empty, swept, and in order. 45 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. That will be the experience of this evil generation.”

No, a Christian cannot have a demon. If a Christian sins the demon does not have a legal right to them. A demon doesn't have any legal rights concerning a Christian--period. If you are a Christian and you have a demon then something is wrong and you should take a look at your salvation.

Can demons attack a Christian, yes. Is there Biblical grounds to need to deliver a true Christian from demonic powers, no.

I was in a deliverance ministry for a couple of years and I can say that it serves no purpose for Christians. They use scriptures from the Old Testament and twist other scriptures (like generational curses, and such) to back up their doctrines.

If a person wants to learn deliverance he should fully learn about salvation through Jesus Christ and how it is obtained. This is the only deliverance there is.

Romans 8:33-34 Amplified Bible (AMP)
33 Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect [when it is] God Who justifies [that is, Who puts us in right relation to Himself? Who shall come forward and accuse or impeach those whom God has chosen? Will God, Who acquits us?]

34 Who is there to condemn [us]? Will Christ Jesus (the Messiah), Who died, or rather Who was raised from the dead, Who is at the right hand of God actually pleading as He intercedes for us?

Demons have absolutely NO claim against a Christian, ever.

Blessings,

Alan

Mister_Al said:

No, a Christian cannot have a demon. If a Christian sins the demon does not have a legal right to them. A demon doesn't have any legal rights concerning a Christian--period. If you are a Christian and you have a demon then something is wrong and you should take a look at your salvation.

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Where are your beliefs of that coming from? They don't have a legal right to the christian? So? They are DEMONS they don't care what they have a right to.

Yes a christian may need deliverance. They won't be full on depress but they may have serious problems coming from a demon. They could be having health problems that are from a demon, of be struggling with a sin that demon is making much mucher harder to abstain from.

When you become a christian, you need to cast any demons that were in you BEFORE you became a christian out.

No, a demon cannot enter someone who is already a christian.

As for unbeleivers, once those demons are cast out, they of course need to stay in faith usually they hear the gospel at this time. If they dont, it is of no effect, demons will go back in.

There isn't any mention of the Disciples casting demons out of any Christians in the New Testament. The demons that were cast out were from people that weren't saved.

Life is full of twists and turns and trials, but to attribute all of your problems to demonic oppression is silly. The devil will lie to you and try to make you believe that he has a "right" to attack you because you have sinned, or he'll try to make you think that he has put sickness on you but the Bible says by His stripes you're healed. The devil's only weapon against you is his lies and if he can get you to believe them then you have given him power that he doesn't have. Anything that contradicts the word of God is the devil's lie and his lie will yield itself to the truth of God's word if you just hold fast to it. How did Jesus rebuke satan in the wilderness? He said it is written.

Where are my beliefs coming from? The Bible.

Blessings,

Alan

I think what you seeing these days are some people go to church but they arent saved, so, when demons get cast out of them ppl think they were christians already. But they werent.

Deliverance minsitry is outreach to those afflicted...i would not discount it.
One you bit further on your walk and stop listening to lies any right the demons think they still have to your soul is null and void.

LoricaLady said:

Mister-Al - If the devil's only weapon is lies, why was the woman, bent over in infirmity for years, bound by him?

The Bible shows demons being cast out not only with Messiah and His apostles, but with His followers after He ascended. The first thing He commissioned them to do, just before He left earth was:

Matthew 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In My Name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues;

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Before salvation came through Jesus Christ the devil had a right to do whatever he wanted to because of the condemnation of Adam's sin. If you're condemned to hell you belong to satan and will belong to him until you belong to Jesus then you are set free from from the power of darkness and brought out into the light of God. Then the devil no longer has any claim over you--period--unless you believe his lies and give him some power.

Yes, Jesus said to cast out demons if we need to. But Christians don't have demons. In order for a demon to posses, or harass, a Christian the demon would have to overpower the Holy Spirit and take over control of the person and that's not going to happen.

If you read your Bible again you'll notice that demons were only cast out of people that were not born again. Once a person is saved they have the Holy Spirit and He doesn't take demonic roommates into His temple. The real problem is that a lot of people just aren't really saved and still belong to the devil.

It's all there in the Bible. You'll notice that nobody was speaking in tongues until after they received the Holy Spirit either.

Blessings,

Alan

LoricaLady - you are right, the thread took a twist, and is probably no longer required, however I will still respond to those other views - lol.

Al, I too am in the deliverance ministry and for the most part by far the people being set free are mostly all Christian. Let me ask this, other than the Bible, name even one published and recognised book on deliverance that states a Christian cannot be affected by demons. I have not seen any in bookstores.

And I will use the term, demonized to be clear. To be even more clear, I agree a Christion cannot be possessed, owned, totally be controlled. However a Christian can be affected and have a demon, in the softer sense of understanding the word demonized - can be oppressed, obsessed but not possessed.

Have a look at Paul in the New Testament. Generally we understand "a messenger of God" as meaning an Angel, right? What then is a messenger of Satan?

See 2 Cor 12:7
Parallel Verses
New Living Translation
even though I have received such wonderful revelations from God. So to keep me from becoming proud, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me and keep me from becoming proud.

King James Bible
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Darby Bible Translation
And that I might not be exalted by the exceeding greatness of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn for the flesh, a messenger of Satan that he might buffet me, that I might not be exalted.

World English Bible
By reason of the exceeding greatness of the revelations, that I should not be exalted excessively, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me, that I should not be exalted excessively.

Young's Literal Translation
and that by the exceeding greatness of the revelations I might not be exalted overmuch, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of the Adversary, that he might buffet me, that I might not be exalted overmuch.

2 Corinthians 12:7 Parallel




Anyhow, we need to understand the composition of a person. We have been created in the image and likeness of God. We have a physical body, a soul and a spirit.

1 Thes 5:23

New Living Translation
Now may the God of peace make you holy in every way, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ comes again.

English Standard Version
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

New American Standard Bible
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Therefore, we need to understand how this work. Upon salvation, the Holy Spirit fills our spirit. Or in other words the Holy Spirit takes ownership of our spirit. We belong to Jesus.

John 6:63
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life.


So we see nothing can affect our spirit once filled with the Holy Spirit. Not sickness nor death. This is however not true for our bodies, or our souls. We see many Christians suffer from all manner of sickness in the body, and also in the soul (mind). I am NOT saying all sickness is demonic, I am however saying nothing can affect our spirit after salvation, but our bodies can be affected (we all die), and also I am saying we can suffer in our souls (depression).

A Christian is not immune to Satan in our bodies and souls.