Discussion Hunger and thirst for righteousness!

jiminpa · Jul 5, 2015

Oscarr said:
You are hungry when you don't have food. Once you have a meal you are no longer hungry. Right? So you hunger after righteousness when you don't have it. But once you are righteous you are no longer hungry for it. Right? How many verses do you have to read that say believers are righteous by faith before you are prepared to believe it? If God has made you righteous then what exactly are you hungering for?

Why seek the Kingdom of God when you are already in it? Didn't Jesus say that the Kingdom of God is within every believer? If you are seeking it, have you left it back on the bus home from town?
I wonder if God shakes His head at us sometimes when we cannot believe something so clearly written in the New Testament so that it stands out like the nose on your face?

Of course we study to show ourselves approved of God. It's not because we are unapproved because we are approved in Christ, but we study to learn how it can be shown as a testimony in our lives.

Oh! You missed out the reason why happy are the ones who hunger and thirst after righteousness BECAUSE THEY WILL BE FILLED! Now that puts a whole different meaning on it from what you were trying to say. Am I right, or am I right?

Oh, that sounds so good. It's so appealing to our flesh. No price to pay. No more hungering. We can just coast along to whatever destiny the wind caries us. But who is the prince of the power of the air?

Are you right, or are you right? I'll take the option you didn't list, that God is true and all of us are...well you know the verse. Yes we will be satisfied, but I'm not so sure it is until we see face to face. There is a contentment that will come in this walk, but it is not the contentment of complacency, it is the contentment of trust. How can we be satisfied when we are still veiled, and not completely with our love, and the great wedding has not occurred? I question the love and passion of anyone who is satisfied to see through a dim glass.

ToBeLoved · Jul 5, 2015

Oscarr said:
There is no such thing as positional justification in Christ. We are either justified or not. Justification has nothing to do with who we are or what we do. It is God's declaration that we are not guilty of sin. When a jury acquits a defendant, he is acquitted, period. It is not just positional, it is actual. If you have accepted Christ, you are justified, period.

Oscarr said:
You are hungry when you don't have food. Once you have a meal you are no longer hungry. Right? So you hunger after righteousness when you don't have it. But once you are righteous you are no longer hungry for it. Right? How many verses do you have to read that say believers are righteous by faith before you are prepared to believe it? If God has made you righteous then what exactly are you hungering for?

Why seek the Kingdom of God when you are already in it? Didn't Jesus say that the Kingdom of God is within every believer? If you are seeking it, have you left it back on the bus home from town?
I wonder if God shakes His head at us sometimes when we cannot believe something so clearly written in the New Testament so that it stands out like the nose on your face?

Of course we study to show ourselves approved of God. It's not because we are unapproved because we are approved in Christ, but we study to learn how it can be shown as a testimony in our lives.

Oh! You missed out the reason why happy are the ones who hunger and thirst after righteousness BECAUSE THEY WILL BE FILLED! Now that puts a whole different meaning on it from what you were trying to say. Am I right, or am I right?

One takes the kingdom of God is in us to a whole new level when they talk about how Christians can not sin and we are seated on the throne next to the Father.

That type of theology is open to the Kat Kerr'esque type teachiings. Do you read her books? or believe her revelations?

outsidethecamp · Jul 5, 2015

I believe we should want more and more of Jesus Christ, now. To be conformed to His image in our life in the present. For His character and behaviour to be manifested in us and to produce much fruit (of the Spirit) which can only be done as we abide in Him (for without Him we can do nothing).

Less of me, more of Him.

John_3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

Am I satisfied with my knowledge of Him (not head knowledge)? No! Do I need more of His life manifested in this carton (body)? Yes!

2Co 4:11 For we which live are alway delivered unto death (the cross) for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

If there is no cross in our daily walk then there will be no manifestation of the Life of Jesus Christ in our lives.

JustHisKid · Jul 5, 2015

I see grace as God giving us that hunger when we recognize that we have lost it. He can't satisfy a hunger that we don't have.

I'm wondering why you would view un-merrited favor as God responding to something you recognize in yourself, ie. you have lost your hunger for Him. Is there some passage of Scripture that leads you to believe this is what grace is?

JustHisKid · Jul 5, 2015

Oh, that sounds so good. It's so appealing to our flesh.

How is being righteous in Him appealing to our flesh? Knowing we have no righteousness in ourselves and only deserve death does not appeal to the flesh.

No price to pay.

What price do you wish to pay for your righteousness?

No more hungering.

Jesus is my portion and I rest in Him. I long to see Him face to face, but that is not a hunger for righteousness, it is a hunger for Him.

We can just coast along to whatever destiny the wind caries us. But who is the prince of the power of the air?

Do you know many Christians who are controlled by the devil?

Are you right, or are you right? I'll take the option you didn't list, that God is true and all of us are...well you know the verse.

Considering you seem confused about what grace is, I say the passage applies.

Yes we will be satisfied, but I'm not so sure it is until we see face to face.

I'm not sure that will be considered satisfaction, but complete awe.

There is a contentment that will come in this walk, but it is not the contentment of complacency, it is the contentment of trust. How can we be satisfied when we are still veiled, and not completely with our love, and the great wedding has not occurred? I question the love and passion of anyone who is satisfied to see through a dim glass.

I am satisfied in Him, for He is my portion. He is my all in all. Contentment is not the same thing as complacent.

jiminpa · Jul 5, 2015

JustHisKid said:
How is being righteous in Him appealing to our flesh? Knowing we have no righteousness in ourselves and only deserve death does not appeal to the flesh.

Being righteous is not what appeals to our flesh. Claiming that now that we are saved there is no more growth, no more need for repentence, nothing deeper in our relationship with God to persue, "I'm saved, and that's all I care about," appeals to our flesh.

What price do you wish to pay for your righteousness?

What price was Jesus referring to when He said to count the cost, (Luke 14:28)?

Jesus is my portion and I rest in Him. I long to see Him face to face, but that is not a hunger for righteousness, it is a hunger for Him.

I'm not sure you can have one without the other.

Do you know many Christians who are controlled by the devil?

Yes, some are just struggling with strongholds, some are content with being just saved enough, and others are on their way to falling away.

Considering you seem confused about what grace is, I say the passage applies.

Disagreeing with the reformed theology redefinition of the word "grace" does not make me confused. Where God's grace abounds we have all that we need in all things and at all times to abound in every good work. That is what the Bible calls "grace." I get theat calvin and his fatalist faithful have a better idea than God, but guess whose word I will take.

I am satisfied in Him, for He is my portion. He is my all in all. Contentment is not the same thing as complacent.

...and for me, the deeper my walk, the more satisfied I am. This being satisfied with a little of God isn't doing it for me.

JustHisKid · Jul 5, 2015

Being righteous is not what appeals to our flesh. Claiming that now that we are saved there is no more growth, no more need for repentence, nothing deeper in our relationship with God to persue. "I'm saved, and that's all I care about," appeals to our flesh.

You can know that you are saved and it comes from confidence in Him. I don't think it creates complacency in the believer but a boldness to go to Him.

1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

What price was Jesus referring to when He said to count the cost, (Luke 14:28)?

I'm not sure you can have one without the other.

I am. I know I'm not righteous. The only reason God sees me as righteous is because I am in His Son.

Disagreeing with the reformed theology redefinition of the word "grace" does not make me confused. Where God's grace abounds we have all that we need in all things and at all times to abound in every good work. That is what the Bible calls "grace." I get theat calvin and his fatalist faithful have a better idea than God, but guess whose word I will take.

Grace is favor that you did not and cannot earn. Grace is not God's response to us. We respond to His grace. You said you see grace as God responding to your knowledge that you do not have hunger.

...and for me, the deeper my walk, the more satisfied I am. This being satisfied with a little of God isn't doing it for me.

People who know they are children of God do not suffer from having little of Him. That knowledge, confidence and trust are quite deep indeed.

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Svt4Him · Jul 5, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
I don't know how this forum had my name on it that I said that, but I did not. I have no idea who said that.

Sorry I started to quote your post and left the page, when I come back it still saves that quote. My mistake, it wasn't for you.

jiminpa · Jul 5, 2015

JustHisKid said:
You can know that you are saved and it comes from confidence in Him. I don't think it creates complacency in the believer but a boldness to go to Him.

1 John 5
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.

What price was Jesus referring to when He said to count the cost, (Luke 14:28)?

I am. I know I'm not righteous. The only reason God sees me as righteous is because I am in His Son.

Grace is favor that you did not and cannot earn. Grace is not God's response to us. We respond to His grace. You said you see grace as God responding to your knowledge that you do not have hunger.

People who know they are children of God do not suffer from having little of Him. That knowledge, confidence and trust are quite deep indeed.

.

So you are satisfied with seeing as through a glass dimly. I am not. You are not hungry, okay. Some of us are. We are not content with our little glimpse of our infinite Father, and even though we cannot embrace infinity yet, we desire to try. We want deeper fellowship and more intimacy with God. I am not trying to force that desire in those who don't even want to want it. I would want to encourage any believer to want that deeper intimacy, but if one's doctrine forbids it, or his flesh will not accept it, may he nap in peace. It's not for me to choose someone else's path.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 5, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
I don't know how this forum had my name on it that I said that, but I did not. I have no idea who said that.

My fault. I mistyped one of the quote instructions. Put the bracket the wrong way around. Someone must have replied before I went back and put it right. Ha ha ha ha! Ironic that one of my sayings was attributed to you! ^_^

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 5, 2015

jiminpa said:
Oh, that sounds so good. It's so appealing to our flesh. No price to pay. No more hungering. We can just coast along to whatever destiny the wind caries us. But who is the prince of the power of the air?

Are you right, or are you right? I'll take the option you didn't list, that God is true and all of us are...well you know the verse. Yes we will be satisfied, but I'm not so sure it is until we see face to face. There is a contentment that will come in this walk, but it is not the contentment of complacency, it is the contentment of trust. How can we be satisfied when we are still veiled, and not completely with our love, and the great wedding has not occurred? I question the love and passion of anyone who is satisfied to see through a dim glass.

I was being cheeky. We do hunger, and we do have a price to pay. The price for following Jesus is our whole life and everything we are and have. He who loses his life for Jesus's sake shall find it. We hunger after greater faith, that God will help our unbelief at times, and after a closer fellowship with God, and to be able to better keep our bodies under subjection. I am not satisfied that I feel so cold and blind at times concerning the things that are available to me in Christ, and that I don't have the compassion I should have toward the sick and suffering and the lost sheep who don't yet know Christ. We don't coast along because we are running a race. We are pressing toward the high calling of God in Christ. We are earnestly desiring the best gifts so we can serve God more effectively. That is not the contentment of complacency, but there is a Christian contentment in that we are resting in Christ, knowing as we press forward along the upward way, that we have the Holy Spirit working in us to form us in the people that God already sees that we are.

But I am adamant that we don't seek the kingdom of God because it is already within us. We don't hunger and thirst after righteousness because we are already filled with the righteousness of Christ. That's why of all people we are blessed and joyful.

So it all depends on what we are hungering for that determines whether we know where we stand with God in Christ or not.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 5, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
One takes the kingdom of God is in us to a whole new level when they talk about how Christians can not sin and we are seated on the throne next to the Father.

That type of theology is open to the Kat Kerr'esque type teachiings. Do you read her books? or believe her revelations?

I have never read those teachings. You need to read those scriptures that tell us that Christ is seated next to the Father in the heavenlies and that we are seated up there with Christ. The scripture is quite clear about that. I didn't say that Christians generally do not sin, but I have tried to make it clear that our new nature does not sin as far as God is concerned. God does not hold our sin against us, and that is equivalent to Him choosing to ignore our sin because we have the righteousness of Christ by faith. But... I guess that comes by revelation by the Holy Spirit and you haven't received it yet.

ToBeLoved · Jul 5, 2015

Oscarr said:
I have never read those teachings. You need to read those scriptures that tell us that Christ is seated next to the Father in the heavenlies and that we are seated up there with Christ. The scripture is quite clear about that. I didn't say that Christians generally do not sin, but I have tried to make it clear that our new nature does not sin as far as God is concerned. God does not hold our sin against us, and that is equivalent to Him choosing to ignore our sin because we have the righteousness of Christ by faith. But... I guess that comes by revelation by the Holy Spirit and you haven't received it yet.

The Word also makes it clear that we have not received our full inheritance yet. That the Holy Spirit is His promise and our guarantee in us until we receive our full inheritance.

ToBeLoved · Jul 5, 2015

Oscarr said:
My fault. I mistyped one of the quote instructions. Put the bracket the wrong way around. Someone must have replied before I went back and put it right. Ha ha ha ha! Ironic that one of my sayings was attributed to you!

JustHisKid · Jul 5, 2015

So you are satisfied with seeing as through a glass dimly.

Must you put words in my mouth to feel better? I yearn for HIM, which I already told you. My greatest desire is to go home.

You are not hungry, okay. Some of us are.

I am filled with His Spirit. What could I possibly hunger for that His Spirit does not supply for me?

We are not content with our little glimpse of our infinite Father, and even though we cannot embrace infinity yet, we desire to try. We want deeper fellowship and more intimacy with God. I am not trying to force that desire in those who don't even want to want it. I would want to encourage any believer to want that deeper intimacy, but if one's doctrine forbids it, or his flesh will not accept it, may he nap in peace. It's not for me to choose someone else's path.

I know I am God's child. He abides in me and I in Him. My fellowship with Him is deep. If yours isn't, perhaps He does not abide in you.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 5, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
The Word also makes it clear that we have not received our full inheritance yet. That the Holy Spirit is His promise and our guarantee in us until we receive our full inheritance.

So, you disagree with the scripture that says that we ARE heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ!

jiminpa · Jul 5, 2015

JustHisKid said:
I know I am God's child. He abides in me and I in Him. My fellowship with Him is deep. If yours isn't, perhaps He does not abide in you.

Nice implication there. Perhaps He does. My fellowship with Him may or may not be deep. As far as I am concerned it is not deep enough, so how not deep enough is of little importance to me.

JustHisKid · Jul 5, 2015

jiminpa said:
Nice implication there. Perhaps He does. My fellowship with Him may or may not be deep. As far as I am concerned it is not deep enough, so how not deep enough is of little importance to me.

Do you know Him? Does He know you?

JustHisKid · Jul 5, 2015

jiminpa said:
Nice implication there. Perhaps He does. My fellowship with Him may or may not be deep. As far as I am concerned it is not deep enough, so how not deep enough is of little importance to me.

What do you do in an attempt to satiate your hunger?

Presbyterian Continuist · Jul 5, 2015

jiminpa said:
Nice implication there. Perhaps He does. My fellowship with Him may or may not be deep. As far as I am concerned it is not deep enough, so how not deep enough is of little importance to me.

I have fellowship with my wife. I don't think about the depth of it. If I really love my wife then I will enjoy being with her and share my life with its dream and ambitions, and will do all I can to make her life with me meaningful and enjoyable as well.

If I happened to say to my wife, "I am not sure I love you enough to have good, enjoyable fellowship with you", she would probably divorce me!

I think if we really love God, we would just enjoy living in His presence and in the light of His countenance, and not worry about whether it is deep enough After all, it is the role of The Holy Spirit within us to reveal the deep things of God to us to enable us to greatly appreciate who He is and what He is to us.

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