Change in America

ScottA said:

If he doesn't want to hear it from the National Black Republicans group...that's his choice. But they are quoting history, and I am quoting them.

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Of course it's his choice, lol. And no, he doesn't trust conservatives and their re-writing of history. That's all you all do, re-write history. Nobody's interested.

ScottA said:

Wow, I shook the Democrat tree, and look what fell out. These are the loving, caring, folks who want your vote. I rest my case.

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If it's unloving and uncaring to respond with facts, then there really isn't any more to say.

ScottA said:

It is a shame, but the political genius of the Democratic party, is changing America. Somewhere in their history, someone discovered that the more people their policies appealed to, the more votes they would get. Brilliant.

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It's almost as though they understood how democracy works, instead of offering repellent policies and hoping for the best, like Republicans.

ScottA said:

Oh, I forgot to mention the atheists...they fall out of the democrat tree when you shake it too. Nice.

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Atheists are human too. Imagine that.

Also, on this forum, there are conservative atheists.

Yeah, I'm going to stick with the party that thinks that the female half of the citizenry should have the liberty to make our own medical decisions.

ScottA said:

Oh, I forgot to mention the atheists...they fall out of the democrat tree when you shake it too. Nice.

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Thank you for an excellent example demonstrating why the republican party is considered the small tent party. Give it time and we will be calling them a regional party.

Pertaining to the Black/Democrats thing being discussed earlier...

I think both sides of the spectrum of this debate miss the boat in terms of looking at the big picture.

One side acts as if there was a sweeping party switch that took place during the southern strategy in which all of the racists and segregationists switched parties. That wasn't the case... There were several democrats who were segregationists who continued to hold office and get elected on the (D) ticket clear through the 1990's apart from Robert Byrd (lol, I bring this up now because there's always the Robert Byrd arguments in these threads) There were many more besides him who stayed with the (D) party. It wasn't a sweeping switch as some would indicate.

The other side acts as if their party's good deeds from decades ago some how negate recent actions and pretend as if they have no clue why certain groups are opposed to voting for them. Clearly certain aspects of voter ID laws and drug policies in the US (pushed largely by Republicans) are going to alienate certain groups...and they have to know that.

Do I think both major parties have taken unscrupulous steps in regards to certain demographics...absolutely.

Do I think the Democrats have tried to buy votes with entitlements, yes
Do I think Republicans have pushed for laws that disproportionately have negative impacts on certain communities, yes

...but at the end of the day, if you put yourself in the shoes of someone from any of those demographics, it's not hard to see why they're choosing the party that they're choosing.

Do they pick the party that wants to buy their votes unscrupulously?
or...
Do they pick the party that's responsible for 45% of the prison population being people from their group for non-violent drug offenses?

While I personally wouldn't find either gesture particularly endearing...it's not hard to see that many feel that someone trying to buy their vote is the less harmful of the two options.

revanneosl said:

Yeah, I'm going to stick with the party that thinks that the female half of the citizenry should have the liberty to make our own medical decisions.

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You're referring to abortion I assume?

miniverchivi said:

You're referring to abortion I assume?

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Also women's choice of birth control methods. Conservative legislators seem to want to stick their noses in that too.

revanneosl said:

Also women's choice of birth control methods. Conservative legislators seem to want to stick their noses in that too.

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Yes I agree. And I always remember they also want to dictate what is "real" rape and what is not!

miniverchivi said:

You're referring to abortion I assume?

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Why go all the way there when all you need to do is pause at birth control.

Hmmm. There seems to be a theme developing vis a vis Conservatives and liberty "for all".

ScottA said:

It is a shame, but the political genius of the Democratic party, is changing America. Somewhere in their history, someone discovered that the more people their policies appealed to, the more votes they would get. Brilliant. Unfortunately, it is changing the way Americans think.

America was founded on, and has been known for, its freedom and liberty, for an individuals right to choose their own way. We were the rebels that broke free from tyranny, the brave.

But things are different now. One "special interest" group after another have been lured into giving up their individual freedom in exchange for the promotion of their "cause." Women, Jews, blacks, hispanics, the handicapped, the poor, the elderly, homosexuals, even non-citizens...have all been the pet project and selling point to generate more votes. And it has been working wonderfully!

There is just one BIG problem: It's a sell-out, a trade, a loss, of individual freedom for their cause, for each cause. Instead of the freedom to pursue their own happiness, now people are no longer individuals, but members. Instead of the opportunity to build their own future, their future is outlined and regulated. Instead of opportunities to prosper, they have the obligation to contribute. Instead of a new job, or the chance to be their own boss...they got a new boss...and it's good old Uncle Sam. Only he's making $150k while, if you buy into their next big promotion, you're making $15 an hour. Brilliant.

So, instead of making it easier for us to be our own bosses, fulfill our own dreams...all their buddies are now bosses (your boss), living large. Yep, thanks to a sucker born every minute, government is now one big, good old boys club, with all the benefits...not the same benefits you get of course.

Democrat game plan. Brilliant!

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Do you have any examples, of how you have lost freedoms to live your own life in the way you desire?

ScottA said:

No question that both parties have acted shamefully (although you missed the stuff from the past fifty years).

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And they've both enacted good policies as well.

But the point is, Democrats have made it their policy, their strategy, to USE special interest groups and their causes to gain votes, while NOT acting in their (the special interest group's) best interest. Black voters are just one example.

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The party is made up of "special interest groups" - diverse citizens. They are the Democratic Party. They don't just use themselves, they are themselves.

ScottA said:

Just because they noticed a growing special interest group who they could (brilliantly) con into voting for them, doesn't mean they really give a hoot about them. Besides, they didn't do them any favors.

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That sounds just like the Republicans and social conservatives.

The history of how the political right wing in the U.S. managed to activate conservative evangelical protestants as a voting bloc, and more importantly as a donor bloc, is quite fascinating.

revanneosl said:

The history of how the political right wing in the U.S. managed to activate conservative evangelical protestants as a voting bloc, and more importantly as a donor bloc, is quite fascinating.

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Yes, but what the conservative side has yet to absorb it appears, is this same voting block, will not get someone into the white house. It may win local state driven elections, but if you can not appeal to enough moderate voters, don't plan on putting anyone in the white house.

ScottA said:

NBRA Chairman Frances Rice
Video: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican
(Affirmed By Dr. Alveda C. King- Niece of MLK)

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I'm sorry, but this is historical revisionism that has reached the level of urban legend and is being propagated by people who don't fact check and rely on the historical ignorance of their audience.
http://www.politifact.com/tennessee...r-republican-claims-martin-luther-king-jr-wa/
http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...n-group-says-martin-luther-king-jr-was-repub/
MLK didn't want to be associated with either party and declared himself free of party affiliation in 1958. His solutions for poverty were basically large, expensive government programs. He excoriated the 1964 Republican National Convention in his autobiography.


The claim that MLK was a Republican is simply false.

bhsmte said:

Yes, but what the conservative side has yet to absorb it appears, is this same voting block, will not get someone into the white house. It may win local state driven elections, but if you can not appeal to enough moderate voters, don't plan on putting anyone in the white house.

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I would argue that it's not really about appealing to "moderate" voters. It seems more to be about appearing reasonable and having good intentions.