Father James Martin Speaks Out Against Catholics Who Hate Gays

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Oh for Pete's sake. He said marriage was between a a man and woman, and he didn't need to go further because everyone KNEW it already. He didn't say anything about incest, inappropriate behavior with animals, necrophilia, rape either. Does that mean they are OK?
A relativist would say that all of that is okay if the state says it's legal.
 
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Christian love should not depend on what the other does. Hating gays because we perceive that they hate us is not a Christian attitude.

Does this have anything to do with what I said? I don't think so.
 
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As an example of our culture of hedonism, just yesterday there a Nicki Minaj concert playing on one of the television channels. She was doing the concert wearing a skimpy bra and panties. All of the girls in the audience were also wearing nothing but a skimpy bra and panties. Are Christians the only ones today who see something wrong with that?

Apparently yes. But it is as it should be, most will parish because they think only of the now and what makes them feel good.

Then Jesus told them this parable: “There was once a rich man who had land which bore good crops. He began to think to himself, ‘I don't have a place to keep all my crops. What can I do? This is what I will do,’ he told himself; ‘I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, where I will store the grain and all my other goods. Then I will say to myself, Lucky man! You have all the good things you need for many years. Take life easy, eat, drink, and enjoy yourself!’ But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night you will have to give up your life; then who will get all these things you have kept for yourself?’”

Luke 12:13-21

Only laying up treasures here

“Do not store up riches for yourselves here on earth, where moths and rust destroy, and robbers break in and steal. 20 Instead, store up riches for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust cannot destroy, and robbers cannot break in and steal. 21 For your heart will always be where your riches are.


Matt 6:19-21
 
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I can't say I've seen much from gays.
Given whats been done to gays in the past, I'm surprised its not more.

And if Christianity/Catholicism is what it claims to be, then Christians should be aiming rather higher than "not quite as bad as the other guy".

Well stated. I see very little focus by the more fanitical, singularly focussed members of this forum on what "we" - ourselves and our ingroups do than on what "they" do - gays, Muslims, libruhls, whoever. When the response to a Priest appologizing for our poor behavior is met with "yeah, but other people are worse", I weep for the state of the Church in our time.
 
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Hating a lifestyle and hating a person---apples and oranges for anyone with a brain.

No, no, no, supporting traditional marriage is now hate, and you are hateful for not focusing on your own sin and ignoring everyone else's and saying anything about the downfall of our culture and society.
 
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What befuddles me is how Catholics can support a group of people who are trying to really do harm to the Catholic Church? You know it's just a matter of time until LGBT lobbyists and their minions force their will on the Church. It's just a matter of time until the priest refusing to marry two "gay" folks will be likened to the KKK villain shouting "Get out of my church! I don't marry no coloreds! Get out!" Racism and "homophobia" have been used with LGBTers for years now. You don't like gay marriage, you might as well be calling black folks the N word! Same thing! That's the mindset.

How can a Catholic with any conscience support such an un-Biblical, un-Catholic, immoral union and almost PULL for the United States to be more secular and less Christian? The Catholics in OBOB who pull for this vile crud seem to be full of glee at the thought of American being a post-Christian nation. It's so bizarre.

I'm Orthodox first, American second. The Kingdom I believe in and am headed toward is run by the Triune God. When this secular government departs from the Judeo-Christian heritage upon which it is founded---IT WILL FALL! Pride comes before a fall. Right now we're full of pride parades.

Pride parades then.....the Fall.

It's interesting how there are Catholics who are ok with terminating a pregnancy, ok with two men having some sodomy together, shacking up, you name it. I wonder what it would be like to be them for a day? How does their brain work? Do they just go through the catechism tearing out pages, do they use white-out? Do they recopy the Catechism on Word without the stuff they don't like? Do they just play pretend games? I don't get it.
 
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I guess these libs just want to adopt the stance of Cain---I am NOT my brother's keeper! You do your thing, I do mine.

SMH

No, no, no, supporting traditional marriage is now hate, and you are hateful for not focusing on your own sin and ignoring everyone else's and saying anything about the downfall of our culture and society.
 
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I guess these libs just want to adopt the stance of Cain---I am NOT my brother's keeper! You do your thing, I do mine.

SMH
Eh? You think we've been secretly killing who?
 
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Here is a transcript of Father James' remarks, in case the server hosting the image of his Facebook post goes down:

I agree about unconditional acceptance first. We are all sinners, and we all need that first. But there also has to be a genuine concern about the immorality and destructiveness of homoerotic acts, as with contraception, inappropriate contentography, cohabitation, etc.

Also, there was a gay man named Steve Gershom who talked in the media about how welcomed and accepted he was by priests and fellow Catholics. He said the only people shocked by him were the other homosexuals who were shocked when he told them he was living celibately.

There is also a lot of hatred among liberal Catholics--who are the majority of US Catholics--for those who oppose gay "marriage", etc.
 
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I'm not surprised that some homosexuals are retaliating against the continuous religious oppression and bigotry. Are we to expect these people to just sit back and continue to take the mistreatment, demonizing and harassment from religious people and do nothing in retaliation? People are going to fight against social injustice, no matter what form that injustice takes or even if it's hidden behind the guise of religious freedom. I don't agree with some of their tactics, but I don't blame them for fighting back.

Hi,
I even have to look far and wide to be accepted into that LGBTIQ, set of people, because of my stances on God.
I am seen with hatred almost.
I am seen as one of the enemy almost.
I am transgendered, and I have to work as hard with them as I do with some Christians.
I just wish in all groups, there were not those 'some' people that you mentioned.
In all groups there are some, who do not represent the group, but only themselves.
In my life they are called criminals, and other no remorse types.
In my life, Biblically they are called evil ones, who cannot sleep without hurting others.

And, oh yes they all hide behind the moral high ground or hide in Sheeps Clothing Biblically. They pretend to be Chrisitians. They pretend to be other things in the civilain world, that is nice. The pretense allows them in secret to tear apart Christians, or to tear apart people in economic and social ways, in the civilian world.

Each, of them, God says, has a charateristic that outs them. They are not nice, openely or in secret all of the time. Rather, they perform as nice, to be seen by others only.

The above is really in the Bible. It is Matthew 7:15 and Matthew 7:16.

In those passages, we are being told nice men, figs, are not found on briars. Nice women, grapes, are not found in and amongst thorns.

The meaning is that only nice people can be true members of The Kingdom of God, and it is only they that can be listened to, outside of directly quoting the Word of God, as they are really Christians and people of God, and not wolves is sheeps clothing, who want to hurt you or someone else only.

Thus all mean sounding people are not to be listened to, in their opinions or words, separate from any direct quotes from The Bible. That means their personal or reported translations of the Bible are not to be listened to either according to Matthew 7:15-16.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
 
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I'm not surprised that some homosexuals are retaliating against the continuous religious oppression and bigotry. Are we to expect these people to just sit back and continue to take the mistreatment, demonizing and harassment from religious people and do nothing in retaliation? People are going to fight against social injustice, no matter what form that injustice takes or even if it's hidden behind the guise of religious freedom. I don't agree with some of their tactics, but I don't blame them for fighting back.

I agree that people who struggle with homoerotic tendencies are equal to the rest of us. But is it oppression to simply disagree with homoerotic acts, as well as heterosexual sins?
 
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Supporting them in their sin is true hatred.

No, treating them like they are scum, demonizing and condemning them, attempting to oppress their lives, and being self-righteous and bigoted toward them is hateful.
 
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