Did Adam sin?

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It didn't last millions of years

It wouldn't have too. A global flood would leave behind sediments which would be readily found by geologists if such a flood occurred. We have records of volcanoes which erupted and effected the climate world wide. Likewise with large meteors.
 
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It wouldn't have too. A global flood would leave behind sediments which would be readily found by geologists if such a flood occurred. We have records of volcanoes which erupted and effected the climate world wide. Likewise with large meteors.
Maybe they didn't look for the right things. Maybe I can't explain why there is no evidence of a flood. Maybe the flood occurred millions of years ago. Maybe this earth has seen many Adams and Eves in which they have gone through many gardens of edens with each one going through the 7000 year life cycle as we are going through.
 
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Maybe they didn't look for the right things. Maybe I can't explain why there is no evidence of a flood. Maybe the flood occurred millions of years ago. Maybe this earth has seen many Adams and Eves in which they have gone through many gardens of edens with each one going through the 7000 year life cycle as we are going through.

Or maybe it never happened?
 
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Maybe they didn't look for the right things. Maybe I can't explain why there is no evidence of a flood. Maybe the flood occurred millions of years ago. Maybe this earth has seen many Adams and Eves in which they have gone through many gardens of edens with each one going through the 7000 year life cycle as we are going through.

The most likely explanation is that there was a flood but it was more localized, not global.
 
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If Adam really did sin then why do we as Christians supposed to hate Satan? Satan is known as the father of lies, the devil, the deceiver etc but when he tempts humans the humans are to blame and not Satan? If this is the case, then Satan is merely a programmed tool created by God to tempt people which is all apart of a test. So really Satan is not evil just a tool doing what God wants him to do, and it's kinda ironic for Satan to be punished for doing what was expected of him to do.
 
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ADAM & EVE were created in the image of GOD..
So they were both well aware of the law, the LAW is the Character of GOD in which they were made. The Sabbath & Marriage are created into this world for ever .
Marriage is only between man & woman. God did not create ADAM & STEVE !!!
For EVE to taste the fruit was adultery as she never asked ADAM her partner
We are now the sons of GOD not talking in HUMAN LOGIC .
The LORD'S PRAY states "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."
So we are to run this earth as heaven in run NOT ON HUMAN LOGIC .
it is that simple.
 
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ADAM & EVE were created perfect in the IMAGE of GOD. At that time there was no sin or human logic !Scirence and GOD do not mIX. Like Religion & the STATE as not to mix.
Why is the STATE dealing with Marriage ?It is created into thias world by GOD far above the STATE .
So it is not consttutional to bring in same sex marriage as marriage is of RELIGION not human logic Marriage is till death do us part Not till separation do us part. ASK GOD .
Yet the STATE is dealing with religion as it sees fit ?????
Human Logic is down grading the churches from STATE LEVEL .
Democracy says the state have no rights over GOD.
Bible quote
"The leaders of this people CAUSE them to err, and they that follow them are DESTROYED"
So the churches are very weak in our day and age .

 
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SATAN sinned in heaven. Wanting to be above GOD.
We were created as equals with GOD but a little lower than angels.
this world is the only place in the universe where there is SIN !
In ETERNITY there is remain FREEWILL as love is the key to ETERNITY not HUMAN LOGIC .
Most are still thinking in HUMAN LOGIC which will end when JESUS returns . As in the IMAGE with the head of GOLD and feet of IRON & CLAY .

"For not are we the sons of GOD" not tomorrow nut NOW Read Matthew 25:40 and see how close GOD really is!!!
 
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, the LAW is the Character of GOD in which they were made.


Where does the Bible say the Law is the "Character of God"?

The Sabbath & Marriage are created into this world for ever .

So you don't work on Saturdays? Are you Seventh Day Adventist?


For EVE to taste the fruit was adultery as she never asked ADAM her partner

So if a woman does anything without her husband's permission, that's adultery?

Book, chapter and verse, please.

We are now the sons of GOD not talking in HUMAN LOGIC .

I guess you're not.

So we are to run this earth as heaven in run NOT ON HUMAN LOGIC .

:scratch:????
 
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SATAN sinned in heaven. Wanting to be above GOD.


Where does the Bible say that? Isaiah 14:14 describes the King of Babylon wanting to be like the Most High, not Satan.

this world is the only place in the universe where there is SIN !

Evidence?

ETERNITY there is remain FREEWILL as love is the key to ETERNITY not HUMAN LOGIC .
Most are still thinking in HUMAN LOGIC which will end when JESUS returns . As in the IMAGE with the head of GOLD and feet of IRON & CLAY .

Where do you get the idea that the image represents human logic?

"For not are we the sons of GOD" not tomorrow nut NOW Read Matthew 25:40 and see how close GOD really is!!!

I read that verse as telling us to see God in others not so much ourselves.
 
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im asking this question because there are many who believe that Adam is a dirty dog. Here is my reasoning to why they are not and were following the plan of God. Adam and Eve were placed in the garden of Eden. They were innocent of knowledge of good and evil. Satan was allowed to tempt them and Eve partook of the fruit and gave it to Adam. I believe that Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods law to not eat the fruit. God had told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die. Since there had not yet had death enter into the garden did they understand what the consequences of their choice? Since they did not know good and evil, could Adam and Eve understood what the law was and the consequences? They did disobey and as a result death came into the world. Sin also came into the world because of imperfection. I believe that to justice it does not matter if someone disobeys having full knowledge and understanding of the law broken or if someone is innocent of the law. It is still disobedience and there are consequences that must come as a result. The punishment is the same. Logic dictates that this was Gods plan all along because why would he allow satan to tempt them? Why would God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil for them to be tempted. I believe that God wanted Adam to eat the fruit so mortality would come to this earth as well so we could know good from evil. To experience the opposites of life so we could continue to progress. So to me Adam and Eve did not sin. They did transgress Gods law which had the same punishment.

You are misunderstanding the "knowledge of good and evil". Many people take it to mean being able to discern between the two. That's not quite it. God is good. Scripture declares it so. And, Adam knew God. So, Adam HAD the knowledge of good. What he didn't know was evil, which is to follow Satan's lie rather than God's instructions. The verb "to know" throughout Scripture carries a lot more weight than we in modern times give it. It was rarely meant to be understood as a simple mental assent of fact. Instead, it denoted an intimate and thorough understanding of. A bond. Which is why the relationship between Adam and his wife, Eve, was referred to as "Adam knew his wife". Adam had full fellowship with God before he sinned. And God will tolerate nobody else taking His place in our heart. He doesn't share us with anyone. Either He alone is supreme in our heart, or He is not. When Adam consented to what Satan said, he was rejecting what God had told him and accepting Satan's word as truth, instead of God's. In so doing, he became intimate in his knowledge of Satan. So, the result was that Adam was intimate with God AND Satan. That is idolatry. So, the operative word in the phrase the "knowledge of good and evil" is not "knowledge. The operative word is "and".
 
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You are misunderstanding the "knowledge of good and evil". Many people take it to mean being able to discern between the two. That's not quite it. God is good. Scripture declares it so. And, Adam knew God. So, Adam HAD the knowledge of good. What he didn't know was evil, which is to follow Satan's lie rather than God's instructions. The verb "to know" throughout Scripture carries a lot more weight than we in modern times give it. It was rarely meant to be understood as a simple mental assent of fact. Instead, it denoted an intimate and thorough understanding of. A bond. Which is why the relationship between Adam and his wife, Eve, was referred to as "Adam knew his wife". Adam had full fellowship with God before he sinned. And God will tolerate nobody else taking His place in our heart. He doesn't share us with anyone. Either He alone is supreme in our heart, or He is not. When Adam consented to what Satan said, he was rejecting what God had told him and accepting Satan's word as truth, instead of God's. In so doing, he became intimate in his knowledge of Satan. So, the result was that Adam was intimate with God AND Satan. That is idolatry. So, the operative word in the phrase the "knowledge of good and evil" is not "knowledge. The operative word is "and".



"Let Us make man in OUR IMAGE."
So Adam and EVE knew only too well what the character of GOD created in them IS !!
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1 Cor.2:14
That really ois the answer to the issues that The BIBLE is SPIRITUASLLY DISCCERNED.
Thy will be done on earth as it is in HEAVEN. That is your chapter & Verse. pslams .
HUMAN LOGIC gets in the way

Sorry 1 Corinthians 2:14 says nothing about whether or not the earth is the only place in the universe without sin. Nor does it indicate that the idol in Daniel is Human Logic. What it does say is that human logic cannot fathom the mystery of the crucifixion.
 
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You are misunderstanding the "knowledge of good and evil". Many people take it to mean being able to discern between the two. That's not quite it. God is good. Scripture declares it so. And, Adam knew God. So, Adam HAD the knowledge of good. What he didn't know was evil, which is to follow Satan's lie rather than God's instructions. The verb "to know" throughout Scripture carries a lot more weight than we in modern times give it. It was rarely meant to be understood as a simple mental assent of fact. Instead, it denoted an intimate and thorough understanding of. A bond. Which is why the relationship between Adam and his wife, Eve, was referred to as "Adam knew his wife". Adam had full fellowship with God before he sinned. And God will tolerate nobody else taking His place in our heart. He doesn't share us with anyone. Either He alone is supreme in our heart, or He is not. When Adam consented to what Satan said, he was rejecting what God had told him and accepting Satan's word as truth, instead of God's. In so doing, he became intimate in his knowledge of Satan. So, the result was that Adam was intimate with God AND Satan. That is idolatry. So, the operative word in the phrase the "knowledge of good and evil" is not "knowledge. The operative word is "and".
God is good. All things that are good come from good. Adam knew God but did not understand what good was. Let me ask you this if you were born blind and someone asked you what light was would you be able to tell them? On the other hand would the blind person be able to explain what darkness was? If fact would they be able to know what darkness was? Could a person tell someone that had never seen light what it was? Adam may have been exposed to good but he did not recognize what good really was? God told Adam that if he partook of the fruit that he would die. Death had not been on the earth. Adam did not know what death was so how could he have been accountantable for his disobedience anymore than a little child is for their disobedience?
 
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ADAM & EVE were created perfect in the IMAGE of GOD. At that time there was no sin or human logic !


If they were human they were sapient.

Scirence and GOD do not mIX.

If by that you mean religion should not interfere in science, I would agree with you. But my religion teaches the following about the proper relationship between science and religion:

"Religion is religion, as science is science. The one discerns and articulates the values unfolding progressively through Divine revelation; the other is the instrumentality through which the human mind explores and is able to exert its influence ever more precisely over the phenomenal world. The one defines goals that serve the evolutionary process; the other assists in their attainment. Together, they constitute the dual knowledge system impelling the advance of civilization. Each is hailed by the Master as an “effulgence of the Sun of Truth”."
http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/bic...query=science|is|science&action=highlight#gr5

Why is the STATE dealing with Marriage ?

They were dealing with marriage the moment they gave tax breaks to married couples. Whether they should have or not is debatable.

So it is not consttutional to bring in same sex marriage as marriage is of RELIGION not human logic


Well, I suppose they could have decided that the state has no say in terms of marriage and therefore the government should recognize only civil unions, whether hetero or homosexual, and left marriages to religions as a religious ritual. Personally I think that would have been a better solution.

Yet the STATE is dealing with religion as it sees fit ?????

It doesn't really. No religion has to recognize same-sex marriages.

Democracy says the state have no rights over GOD.

Don't know where it says that, but the Constitution does say that religion have no rights over the state.
 
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im asking this question because there are many who believe that Adam is a dirty dog. Here is my reasoning to why they are not and were following the plan of God. Adam and Eve were placed in the garden of Eden. They were innocent of knowledge of good and evil. Satan was allowed to tempt them and Eve partook of the fruit and gave it to Adam. I believe that Adam and Eve disobeyed Gods law to not eat the fruit. God had told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die. Since there had not yet had death enter into the garden did they understand what the consequences of their choice? Since they did not know good and evil, could Adam and Eve understood what the law was and the consequences? They did disobey and as a result death came into the world. Sin also came into the world because of imperfection. I believe that to justice it does not matter if someone disobeys having full knowledge and understanding of the law broken or if someone is innocent of the law. It is still disobedience and there are consequences that must come as a result. The punishment is the same. Logic dictates that this was Gods plan all along because why would he allow satan to tempt them? Why would God place the tree of knowledge of good and evil for them to be tempted. I believe that God wanted Adam to eat the fruit so mortality would come to this earth as well so we could know good from evil. To experience the opposites of life so we could continue to progress. So to me Adam and Eve did not sin. They did transgress Gods law which had the same punishment.

Continue to progress? What is that supposed to mean?
 
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ADAM & EVE were created perfect in the IMAGE of GOD. At that time there was no sin or human logic !Scirence and GOD do not mIX. Like Religion & the STATE as not to mix.
Why is the STATE dealing with Marriage ?It is created into thias world by GOD far above the STATE .
So it is not consttutional to bring in same sex marriage as marriage is of RELIGION not human logic Marriage is till death do us part Not till separation do us part. ASK GOD .
Yet the STATE is dealing with religion as it sees fit ?????
Human Logic is down grading the churches from STATE LEVEL .
Democracy says the state have no rights over GOD.
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"The leaders of this people CAUSE them to err, and they that follow them are DESTROYED"
So the churches are very weak in our day and age .

No human logic? Did God create them as idiots?

Scientific study is man's attempt to discover and explain what God created. Without God there would be no science.
 
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Sorry 1 Corinthians 2:14 says nothing about whether or not the earth is the only place in the universe without sin. Nor does it indicate that the idol in Daniel is Human Logic. What it does say is that human logic cannot fathom the mystery of the crucifixion.
I see you are applying HUMAN LOGIC. GOD opens the mind to ALL TRUTH.
 
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