Natural law of Creation 'and the two shall become one flesh’ No longer valid in US

TheBarrd said:

I don't think Sodom gave Lot or anyone else any say in anything.
Here, in the United States we have (excuse me while I laugh) government of the people, by the people, for the people.
We're supposed to have an influence.
Just wanted to clear that up.

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The church used to have influence over the government because they were not ashamed. The liberals have us running scared these days; afraid to be seen associating with Jesus and his message in public.

pat34lee said:

The church used to have influence over the government because they were not ashamed. The liberals have us running scared these days; afraid to be seen associating with Jesus and his message in public.

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If we run scared, then our salt has lost it's savor, and is good for nothing but to be trampled under the feet of men.
And rest assured, that is exactly what will happen. If we run, the wolves will chase us, and it'll be pass the mint jell, we're having lamb for dinner tonight.
We must not let them frighten us into hiding our light under a bushel...lest they manage to put it out entirely. We MUST stand and fight...the more when we are losing the battle. We MUST trust in our Lord, now more than ever!

Aldebaran said:

Apparently, there are some people here who would rather that other people not make a difference in preserving what's left of this country's dignity.

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We absolutely cannot let them hold us back, Aldebaran. We MUST remember always, as my Grandmother taught me long ago...who we are and Who we represent.
We are the children of God. We do not belong to ourselves, we were bought with a price...and a terribly high price it was! How our Father must love us, to pay such a ransom for us!
And how do we thank Him? Do we run at the first growl of the wolf?
NO, I say!
I will walk into the fray, armed with my Sword and holding my Shield, with my Breastplate in place, and my Shoes on my feet!
Who will go with me?

1 Corinthians 6:9–10.

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Please don't do it in the natural until he says too. spiritually give them heaven.. for heavens sake.. the ultimate revenge is to put them in the hands of a mighty God. . Folks don't get blood on your hands please ! just let him! He is so ready to defend his children!


Isa 40:1

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Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
Isa 40:2

Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
Isa 40:3

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The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
Isa 40:4

Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
Isa 40:5

And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 40:6

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The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
Isa 40:7

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
Isa 40:8

The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
Isa 40:9

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O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of Judah, Behold your God!
Isa 40:10

Behold, the Lord GOD will come with stronghand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Isa 40:11

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
Isa 40:12

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Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
Isa 40:13

Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, orbeing his counsellor hath taught him?
Isa 40:14

With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?
Isa 40:15

Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.
Isa 40:16

And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.
Isa 40:17

All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isa 40:18

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To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?
Isa 40:19

The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.
Isa 40:20

He that is so impoverished that he hath no oblation chooseth a tree that will not rot; he seeketh unto him a cunning workman to prepare a graven image, that shall not be moved.
Isa 40:21

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Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Isa 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Isa 40:23

That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Isa 40:24

Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
Isa 40:25

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To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.
Isa 40:26

Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Isa 40:27

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Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?
Isa 40:28

Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, thatthe everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
Isa 40:29

He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
Isa 40:30

Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
Isa 40:31

But they that wait upon the LORD shall renewtheir strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; andthey shall walk, and not faint.

Dont get blood on your hands. don't let the world trap you into defending yourself. it won't be worth it in the long run.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: ( sukka ? )
Isa 40:23

That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
Isa 40:24

Yea, they shall not be planted; yea, they shall not be sown: yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth: and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble.
Isa 40:25



these whirlwind with Sukka ?


2Ki 2:1

And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, H5591 that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.
2Ki 2:11

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind H5591 into heaven.
Job 38:1

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, H5591 and said,
Job 40:6

Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, H5591 and said,
Psa 55:8

I would hasten my escape from the windy storm andtempest. H5591
Psa 83:15

So persecute them with thy tempest, H5591 and make them afraid with thy storm.
Psa 107:25

For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy H5591 wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof.

Enoch @ abt 48-58?minutes

Thank you, Chicken Little

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Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Chicken Little said:

Please don't do it in the natural until he says too. ....<snip>....

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Is this what you are hinting at.... Scripture seems to indicate that Adam and Eve were not that frequent in their intimate relationship... There is quite a few years between Cain and Seth.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

visionary said:

Is this what you are hinting at.... Scripture seems to indicate that Adam and Eve were not that frequent in their intimate relationship... There is quite a few years between Cain and Seth.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

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Are you serious?
Even if you believe that, what has it to do with what we are discussing?

visionary said:

Is this what you are hinting at.... Scripture seems to indicate that Adam and Eve were not that frequent in their intimate relationship... There is quite a few years between Cain and Seth.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

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Not to mention, the Adam and Eve story, taken as literal history, demands an awful lot of incest, something I note the people who insist that it be the "model for marriage" seem remarkably quiet about.

Aldebaran said:

Apparently, there are some people here who would rather that other people not make a difference in preserving what's left of this country's dignity.

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And what would you suggest as a way to "preserve dignity"?

TB said:

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A bit sensational ?

You don't happen to work for Fox News, or a Christian newspaper, or something ?

I just don't see what this has to do with gay marriage.

Gay people are going to be gay and have sex, regardless of if it is called marriage or not, so what difference does it make ?

I notice however that some of your arguments are specific to the fact that you live in the USA and consider it superior to other countries, which makes it difficult to engage you on the subject.

I hoped to be able to adress you as a fellow believer, but chances are you will understand these words as coming from a "non-American", a Xenos, a stranger, rather than from a fellow citizen of Shamayim (heaven).

You said the phrase "government by the people, for the people" makes you laugh. Indeed, not only is the phrase untrue, but it by definition cannot be true, hence it is a naive lie, just like the Communist equivalent "drujba narodov" (friendship of all peoples); it is just a state slogan.

visionary said:

Is this what you are hinting at.... Scripture seems to indicate that Adam and Eve were not that frequent in their intimate relationship... There is quite a few years between Cain and Seth.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

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"Apparently, there are some people here who would rather that other people not make a difference in preserving what's left of this country's dignity."

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we have to let him defend our dignity from here on out .
"We MUST stand and fight...the more when we are losing the battle" DO not do it naturally , don't do it naturally ! don't get blood on your hands , not now . you won't like the results.

the worldly are pushing hard for a fight because they think they won already , but after this last ruling , now it is about our christianity it isn't just about guns or whatever issue they use to push us. from here on out till it is done it is about Jesus and his word.. let Him fight it . He is ready .... set ... go !

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Someplace on this post is a picture it is is something going around on facebook . but the stats look about right . the Goberment of dummies is supporting this and even encouraging them all and every kind of fringes to rise up for their " dignity ". all these crazy militant groups . they want us to fight each other.
Please just don't get blood on your hands.
Don't let them push you there.
no one's dignity is worth what will be paid for it from here on out, until it is done.
it is all about him and his Book and his words Now.
Let Him Fight his battle for you! it is His battle ! he only asks that we pray in unity and in faith.
and trust in his patience toward even them. he doesn't want to lose one that the father gave him.
He is all over this guys!
and this will "take patient endurance on the part of the saints" .
just don't get blood on your hands.

I can't make the picture happen so it is just a face book type picture that says " the united States is third on the list of murders though out the world , But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and NewOrleans is 4th from the Bottom for murders .and Believe it or not these four cities have the toughest gun laws in the Untied States.

SO surely the goberment know these statistic and wants the rest of the united states to look like those cities?
Because they are all doing everything in their power to make it so and support and encourage militancy . the Menes really all want bacchanalia and your children and only things which stands in the way of that is the Bible and His Peoples believe in the King of our Peace.

Chicken Little said:

I can't make the picture happen so it is just a face book type picture that says " the united States is third on the list of murders though out the world , But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC and NewOrleans is 4th from the Bottom for murders .and Believe it or not these four cities have the toughest gun laws in the Untied States.

SO surely the goberment know these statistic and wants the rest of the united states to look like those cities?
Because they are all doing everything in their power to make it so and support and encourage militancy . the Menes really all want bacchanalia and your children and only things which stands in the way of that is the Bible and His Peoples believe in the King of our Peace.

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And this has nothing to do with gay marriage.

By the way, MOST countries have very strict gunlaws. Let's take any Scandinavian country as an example, which has strict gun laws. Even aside from their gun laws, getting a gun in Scandinavia is very difficult, even if operating illegally. And as a result of nobody having guns, almost nobody gets killed with guns in Norway, Sweden or Denmark. Making guns more accessible in Scandinavia would lead to more people getting killed by guns.

Today, almost nobody gets killed by guns there, because almost nobody OWNS guns there. And the same rule applies everywhere.

Armoured said:

Not to mention, the Adam and Eve story, taken as literal history, demands an awful lot of incest, something I note the people who insist that it be the "model for marriage" seem remarkably quiet about.

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I don't think anybody is advocating incest...

Hoshiyya said:

I don't think anybody is advocating incest...

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And yet, people are happy to say homosexuality is wrong because it wasn't present in a literal reading of Genesis. I'm just pointing out the apparent double standard.