It's so wrong...

LivingWordUnity said:

The world will be very surprised when God comes to judge it. The first will be last, and the last will be first.

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Think about that next time someone advocates treating homosexuals as second class citizens.

The teachings of Jesus are universal and his salvation is for everybody. Following the teachings of Jesus, which are assuredly taught through the Catholic Church, ensures that whosoever listens to his voice, will be first class citizens of the Kingdom of God.

Red Fox said:

I said based on my personal experiences. I thought I was perfectly clear on that point. And I don't believe, not for a second, that Christians are somehow morally superior or more righteous than someone who isn't a Christian. As I have seen, Christians can be just as vile, just as violent, just as nasty and evil as any non-Christian can be.

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If I told you that I had a personal experience of a miracle would you believe it?

Armoured said:

Think about that next time someone advocates treating homosexuals as second class citizens.

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I don't know what country you are living in, but in the U.S. homosexuals are a protected class. In this thread, we were even told that they have a right to spit on us because of our intolerance.

For Christians, current suffering is not explained through the Karmic wheel of justice, and the no bad deed going unpunished, nor any good deed going unrewarded. I am not sure any system is based on the karma where the sins of people who may or may not have been the ancestors of the immigrant nation of America are the ones who pay for the sins of people who lived five hundred years before.
Be that as it may, Christianity is not about karma, but about repentance and forgiveness, and the inevitability of suffering as part of the human condition, no matter what. God sends his rains on the saintly and the wicked, and to the same effect of making the crops grow, or drowning them.
Everybody who lives, suffers, and who is to say who suffers more? We don't walk in anyone's shoes but our own, so we are not in a position to know the state that anyone else finds themselves in.
Everybody who lives suffers. For Christians, our suffering finds meaning in the Via Dolorosa. Our suffering is for Christ, to carry the world to a better place through that suffering.

Karma comes from Hinduism, and it leads to a caste social order where the poor stay poor. This is why Hindus in India sometimes clash with Christian missionaries whose mission is to help the poor. The zealous Hindus believe that the Christian missionaries are interfering with karma and dharma by giving aid to the poor.

Why are we talking about karma all of a sudden? Did I miss sometning?

LivingWordUnity said:

I don't know what country you are living in, but in the U.S. homosexuals are a protected class. In this thread, we were even told that they have a right to spit on us because of our intolerance.

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We were? Who, where?

LivingWordUnity said:

Karma comes from Hinduism, and it leads to a caste social order where the poor stay poor. This is the reason why Hindus in India sometimes clash with Christian missionaries whose mission is to help the poor.

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Karma in Hinduism is a means by which people born into rich caste justify their privilege and oppression of those who have born into unprivileged castes.
It really ought to be the reason why such a theological system ought to be rejected by anyone who identifies with the underprivileged, for this justifies a lifetime of oppression based on what one has done in a past life.
Christ, who was born of humble means, contains the destruction of the caste system of Karma within his birth. His incarnation into the world is a retelling of the story of godman Augustine and the Roman Emperors incarnation into the world, with the element of truth added into it, and the falseness of class privilege erased out of that Nativity Scene.

ebia said:

Why are we talking about karma all of a sudden? Did I miss sometning?

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Red Fox suggested in post #112 that Christians deserve to be spat on because of karma.

Red Fox said:

I would say bad karma, but from a Christian perspective, it could be called finally reaping what's been sown for hundreds of years.

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LivingWordUnity said:

In this thread, we were even told that they have a right to spit on us because of our intolerance.

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LivingWordUnity said:

Red Fox suggested that Christians deserve to be spat on because of karma.

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Missed that post. What he actually said was:

Red Fox said:

I would say bad karma, but from a Christian perspective, it could be called finally reaping what's been sown for hundreds of years.

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ebia said:

Missed that post. What he actually said was:

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It was said in response to me saying that Christians are now getting spat on. So it's as I said.

LivingWordUnity said:

It was said in response to me saying that Christians are now getting spat on. So it's as I said.

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Well, it puts it in karmic terms; and then in pretty valid Christian terms.
And it doesn't say people have a right to spit on anyone, which your paraphrase does.

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Is spitting on someone an act of violence, or a non-verbal speech act? [/aside]

LivingWordUnity said:

It was said in response to me saying that Christians are now getting spat on. So it's as I said.

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Turnabout is fair play.

ebia said:

Well, it puts it in karmic terms; and then in pretty valid Christian terms.
And it doesn't say people have a right to spit on anyone, which your paraphrase does.

[aside]
Is spitting on someone an act of violence, or a non-verbal speech act? [/aside]

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Has that particular poster ever accurately paraphrased anyone? I'm not saying he hasn't, i can't think of an example, though.

Armoured said:

Has that particular poster ever accurately paraphrased anyone? I'm not saying he hasn't, i can't think of an example, though.

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Good question.

Armoured said:

Turnabout is fair play.

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I don't understand why many Christians appear surprised by the rebellion and opposition against their religious intolerance and bigotry against people they don't like and approve of. It's as if they just expect non-Christians to accept this kind of mistreatment by Christians and take it in stride. Non-Christian people will only take so much of this kind of mistreatment before they start to rebel against it and begin to fight back. I know, from personal experience, that this is true. Christianity has a bloody and tainted history, including here in the United States, of mistreating and abusing people that were outside of its dominion and control. After hundreds of years of this kind of behavior, even in most recent memory, that the pendulum has swung and Christians are finding themselves and their faith at the receiving end of mistreatment and mockery. As the member I quoted stated, turnabout is fair play. You can call it whatever you'd like, whether it's karma, what goes around comes around or reaping what's been sown, but the basic truth still remains, Christianity has literally shot itself in the foot for hundreds of years and now fate is calling for its due payment. It seems to me that some religious people don't understand that they can't continuously mistreat and demonize people they don't like without expecting some sort of rebellion and retribution in response.

Armoured said:

Turnabout is fair play.

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Christ turned the other cheek.

ebia said:

Well, it puts it in karmic terms; and then in pretty valid Christian terms.
And it doesn't say people have a right to spit on anyone, which your paraphrase does.

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No, that particular comment of mine certainly does not say that. Thank you for the clarification.