And the Baptists don't accept Catholic baptism. So, what? They're still Christians. Let me bottom line this. Follower of Christ- Christian. Follower of Christ- not part of Judaism. Regardless of wishes, desires and circumstances. Whatever they're converting to is not Judaism, it's just another flavor of Christianity.
They were [messianic] christians BEFORE they converted, so they are not converting to Christianity.
They're just switching denominations within Christianity. There's no such thing as follower of Christ in Judaism. Following Christ, maintaining that he was a messiah is what makes one a Christian. It disqualifies one from any conversion to Judaism. It puts Jews who believe such thing outside of Judaism. If you believe that such thing is possible, you've been misled.
No, they aren't. They are attending the same Messianic synagogue before and after. The difference is that before they were a Messianic Gentile and now they are a Messianic Jew. Same denomination, difference in Jewish status.
It's not gentiles making the decision. It's a beit din.
Meaningless. It's not a legally established Beis Din within Judaism. If it's not within Judaism, these new "Jews" are as deluded as the people who converted them.
Christians seem to thing that he was a good Jew. We don't really have any record of him. But to answer the question, his followers are responsible for his separation.
I was just answering a question. You cannot say, with any degree of precision, what Jews who converted to Christianity believe because that is depended on the denomination they embraced.
Again, that's what you say. They say different. Just as a Reform Jew pays no heed to the rejection by the Orthodox, why should they pay heed to your rejection?
Don't bring Jewish denominational differences into this. It's a false comparison. What you fail to grasp, apparently, is that Judaism and Christianity are different religions. Nobody cares on this side of the fence if the Catholics set up a Beis Din Or Jehovah Witnesses-their converts are not Jewish. The Church believes it's the new Israel. We don't care. They can call themselves Jews, Martians, whatever. But, unless they follow OUR rules the only change in their status is in their imagination. You wish to convert through them? Fine. Just know that Judaism and the Jewish community does not consider such convert Jewish. Not Conservative, Orthodox nor even Reform.
