False teachers... From my other thread.

Leevo · Jul 3, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
So, there is a couple in your church and your pastor has spoken to them about their lifestyle being sinful. Then what?

If a pastor kicks sinners out of church, he or she is not a very good pastor. If they are coming there to truly hear about Jesus Christ, it would be sinful to turn them away. Would you ask them to leave and not come anymore to your church?

Your response is a common response, then what?

What if you asked them not to come and the next weekend they showed up again?

I never said they should be asked to leave. That would not be beneficial for either party. It is the pastor's job to talk to them about it being sinful. After that, then it is up to the couple whether or not they repent. If a pastor tells them that their lifestyle is okay though, then that is not love at all. If they are there to truly hear about Christ, then great, hopefully they will take into account the pastor's advice, repent and truly turn their life over to Christ. We should not kick them out but warn them out of love. 2 Thessalonians 3:15 "Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." Paul is talking about sinful people here that haven't repented.

Leevo · Jul 3, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Repentance comes with a change of heart, but the flesh is weak. Ask 85% of Christian men who view inappropriate content. I'm sure they repent each time.

See, but it is not our place to judge if someone has truly repented. God tells us in His Word that only He knows the hearts of man. It is really not for another Christian to even 'speculate' about repentance after someone says they have done so. After the person has repented, they are forgiven and Jesus casts that sin as far as the east is from the west. That is why the Holy Spirit is the convicter of sin, the one that convicts each person.

The object of the story is that what Jesus has forgiven, we have no right to mention.

Matthew 7:16-17
"By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."

Jesus told us that we can identify people by their fruit. Born-again Christians would bear good fruit. The change of heart would make you want to not commit sin anymore. The flesh is weak, this is why I said they would be called a "struggling Christian." Struggling with their sinful nature just as we all do. However, one cannot embrace sin and still consider themselves saved, that is false conversion.

2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."

ToBeLoved · Jul 3, 2015

Leevo said:
I never said they should be asked to leave. That would not be beneficial for either party. It is the pastor's job to talk to them about it being sinful. After that, then it is up to the couple whether or not they repent. If a pastor tells them that their lifestyle is okay though, then that is not love at all. If they are there to truly hear about Christ, then great, hopefully they will take into account the pastor's advice, repent and truly turn their life over to Christ. We should not kick them out but warn them out of love. 2 Thessalonians 3:15 "Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." Paul is talking about sinful people here that haven't repented.

i'm not trying to be argumentative, I was just following through with the conversation. I agree, blatent sin needs to be mentioned by the pastor.

~ peace.

ToBeLoved · Jul 3, 2015

Leevo said:
Matthew 7:16-17
"By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."

Jesus told us that we can identify people by their fruit. Born-again Christians would bear good fruit. The change of heart would make you want to not commit sin anymore. The flesh is weak, this is why I said they would be called a "struggling Christian." Struggling with their sinful nature just as we all do. However, one cannot embrace sin and still consider themselves saved, that is false conversion.

2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come."

Right. I agree.

Just trying to test your theology. So far, :oldthumbsup:

Leevo · Jul 3, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Right. I agree.

Just trying to test your theology. So far,

Didn't think you were being argumentative. Thanks man!

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