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The same day Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney called it "a mistake for our laws to put the rights of adults over the needs of children" and said he would seek legislation allowing religious agencies to [do exactly that].

So instead of allowing Catholic institutions to exist and provide Catholic homes for children it's better to shut them down or have them abandon their moral views and allow children to be adopted by couples who all are incapable if providing a good Catholic environment?

The second option can't be possible for Catholic groups, so are you satisfied with Catholic adoption agencies closing down? Can you live peacefully as Catholics are deemed incapable of providing charity works anymore and just let the State take over all these functions?
 
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So instead of allowing Catholic institutions to exist and provide Catholic homes for children it's better to shut them down or have them abandon their moral views and allow children to be adopted by couples who all are incapable if providing a good Catholic environment?

The second option can't be possible for Catholic groups, so are you satisfied with Catholic adoption agencies closing down? Can you live peacefully as Catholics are deemed incapable of providing charity works anymore and just let the State take over all these functions?
The current American government certainly is happy to sideline any private charity. As long as the private charity operates independently, the government is hard pressed to control the agenda.
 
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I'm talking about very poor States with little chance to get on the ladder, with a system designed to keep them down. Voting for a party who represents big business more than the Democrats do.



Read up on the subject.

Now you're being silly, all bibles are about power. The Catholic version being the supreme example. RCC has one man at the head of the church, and often an evil one.

Research how they tried to keep the bible in a language only priests could understand. 30 years War, the Popes power over Kings, Barons and down to the serfs via the priests.

Look at how church leaders try to affect who people vote for, especially in the Bible Belt. Their power in Roman Catholic countries, in Ireland they were caught selling children.

Clergy being celibate was all about hanging on to wealth, they went a 1,000 years with clergy able to marry. Visit St. Peter's Basilica to see the wealth, proclaiming to follow a man who only owned the clothes on his back and despised the money makers in the temple.

And that's not about power?
I use the Catholic encyclopedia who has the written letters from the time the Bible was being discerned - and not hypothesis such as the links you provided.
 
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A gay couple isnt exacltly great family home for a child to be brought up in... it is confussing unnatural and perverted... and dispite the political correct brigade going on in these forums against the divine order of "go forth and multiply"
And yet, the longitudinal studies conducted by dedicated researchers diagree with your ad hoc off the cuff claim.

Now, who should we believe...?
 
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So instead of allowing Catholic institutions to exist and provide Catholic homes for children it's better to shut them down or have them abandon their moral views and allow children to be adopted by couples who all are incapable if providing a good Catholic environment?

The second option can't be possible for Catholic groups, so are you satisfied with Catholic adoption agencies closing down? Can you live peacefully as Catholics are deemed incapable of providing charity works anymore and just let the State take over all these functions?
Do Catholic agencies place children with non Catholic parents? Are they required to? I honestly don't know, but AFAI can see, if a Catholic agency currently places children with any variety of non-Catholic parents, the "but gay couples won'y provide a Catholic environment!" argument loses a lot of it's credibility.

If, of course, Catholic agencies are not required to place children with non-Catholics, I can't see how this is an issue at all, since homosexual couples won't be practicing Catholics.
 
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Each child should be placed with the best match for that child.
Exactly.
I don't think you deal with bullying very effectively by trying to avoid giving bullies reasons - they find them.
Solve the problem first, before putting children into the problem.
But either way "don't allow homosexual adoption because it pushes heterosexuals out of the front of the queue" is the polar opposite of "put the child first".
Precisely. And putting Gay couples in front of Hetro Saxual couples is also the polar opposite of "put the child first".

The entire area has been grabbed by the PC brigade and Politicians as a weapon to bash out their messages. And that includes churches.
 
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And putting Gay couples in front of Hetro Saxual couples is also the polar opposite of "put the child first".
I agree. Nobody ought to be in front or behind anybody, because it's not about serving the prospective parents. The best matching available family for each child.
 
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...to claim to stand for freedom and equality, and then when you finally get the rights you fought so hard for, you turn right around and persecute others for their opinions and beliefs. The same political activists who were being spit at are now spitting on others (literally).

This is what partisan politics has done to our country, there is no middle ground, there is no room for moderate or rational views. America is a war zone between two dangerous ideologies, both claim to represent freedom, but neither really does.

Shame. :expressionless:
This adequately describes our current political landscape. Agenda driven politics have turned our government into an almost hopeless morass of mud slinging and power grabbing. To quote a dear friend: "The current political parties are two sides of the same, worthless, wooden nickel."
 
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This adequately describes our current political landscape. Agenda driven politics have turned our government into an almost hopeless morass of mud slinging and power grabbing. To quote a dear friend: "The current political parties are two sides of the same, worthless, wooden nickel."

I can't say I disagree with that statement.
 
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Do Catholic agencies place children with non Catholic parents? Are they required to? I honestly don't know, but AFAI can see, if a Catholic agency currently places children with any variety of non-Catholic parents, the "but gay couples won'y provide a Catholic environment!" argument loses a lot of it's credibility.

If, of course, Catholic agencies are not required to place children with non-Catholics, I can't see how this is an issue at all, since homosexual couples won't be practicing Catholics.
At one time when they operated adoption agencies - their requirement was 'parents' a mom and dad.
Gay SSA isnt marriage [no matter how we pretend] and it goes against nature as well as God's laws.
So no, a religious organization should never be forced to go against their own faith.

Why cant ppl see how this destroys religion, faith and morality?
For every Christian organization out there - there are secular ones too - so if you want to play house with SSA - then find suitable secular institutions to use instead of whining about Christian ones.
 
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I agree. Nobody ought to be in front or behind anybody, because it's not about serving the prospective parents. The best matching available family for each child.
What if - say every child - refuses to live with SSM couples?
Do they really have a choice if they are an infant?
 
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What if - say every child - refuses to live with SSM couples?
Do they really have a choice if they are an infant?
Who said anything about the child picking. Do children pick at the moment?

I presume older children do get a say, but much of the matching is done by the agency.
 
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Anyways guys, back to my OP. Life is too short to treat others like trash, God is going to judge us on our faith, and part of faith is emulating Christ by showing love for others. Christ dined with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, you name it.

Christ loves people who fly the Confederate flag, he loves people with same sex attractions, he loves humanity. When we bicker with such hate, we mock Christ. Listen, homosexuality is a sin, but you can't expect a person to repent if you are demeaning them. If you want someone to repent their sin, show them love like Christ did, not hate.
 
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Anyways guys, back to my OP. Life is too short to treat others like trash, God is going to judge us on our faith, and part of faith is emulating Christ by showing love for others. Christ dined with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, you name it.

Christ loves people who fly the Confederate flag, he loves people with same sex attractions, he loves humanity. When we bicker with such hate, we mock Christ. Listen, homosexuality is a sin, but you can't expect a person to repent if you are demeaning them. If you want someone to repent their sin, show them love like Christ did, not hate.
Yes He was there for sinners - did miracles for them and then told them to sin no more.
And they converted... Thanks be to God.
 
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Anyways guys, back to my OP. Life is too short to treat others like trash, God is going to judge us on our faith, and part of faith is emulating Christ by showing love for others. Christ dined with sinners, prostitutes, tax collectors, you name it.

Christ loves people who fly the Confederate flag, he loves people with same sex attractions, he loves humanity. When we bicker with such hate, we mock Christ. Listen, homosexuality is a sin, but you can't expect a person to repent if you are demeaning them. If you want someone to repent their sin, show them love like Christ did, not hate.
It is a rare person here who demeans SSA individuals when the argument is being made for the traditional Christian and Catholic positions on SSM and/or sexual sin.

Some Christians are of the opinion that if only everybody was nicer, that the position of their Church would be more respected and/or accepted.

In fact, it is the position of the Church that is hated. The delivery of the message is secondary to the actual Christian position.
 
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It is a rare person here who demeans SSA individuals when the argument is being made for the traditional Christian and Catholic positions on SSM and/or sexual sin.
Of course not. People call them unnatural, post false information about them, claim they're trying to "destroy marriage/family/America/Christianity" fixate on the distaste they feel for male-male anal sex, and accuse them of being paedophiles, advocate imprisoning and/or psychotherapy to change them, but no one demeans them.
 
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Yes He was there for sinners - did miracles for them and then told them to sin no more.
And they converted... Thanks be to God.

Yes, but He didn't treat them like they were something nasty He just scrapped off the bottom of his feet.
 
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Pope Benedict XVI knew it would come to overt and universal persecution. That's why he called relativism a dogma and a dictatorship and the most profound difficulty of our age. The Church is now getting spat on just as people spat on Jesus.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

The Church's ultimate trial


675 Before Christ's second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers. The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.

676 The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection. The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but only by God's victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven. God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world. (added emphasis)​
 
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