Why is America not in Bible Prophecy?

ok. don't believe me .. I'm a liar remember everyone is a liar remember. ... or maybe it is just none of your business.
over and out.

I would have no interest in making it my business .... carry on

Oh!but she is try the below link

http://stevenmcollins.com/html/usa_in_prophecy.html

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The patriarch, Abraham, was promised by God that his descendants would be very numerous (Genesis 13:16, 17:2, 22:17) and that his descendants would eventually constitute “many nations” in the future (Genesis 17:4-5). He was also told by God that his descendants would “possess the gates of their enemies” (Genesis 22:17) and be “blessed” mightily by God (Genesis 22:16-18). God also promised Abraham that his descendants would be traceable throughout history because they would be known by the name of Abraham’s son, “Isaac” (Genesis 21:12). The blessings given to Abraham were called the “birthright” blessings because they were passed on to successive generations as a right of their birth. These Divine blessings would be inherited by certain future nations; they would not be enjoyed due to any innate superiority on the part of these nations.

The “birthright” blessings given to Abraham were first bequeathed to Isaac, who married Rebekah. Their union was blessed with a biblical prophecy that their descendants would number “thousands of millions” and that they would “possess the gate of them which hate them” (Genesis 24:60). This puts a specific number on the people who would descend from Isaac and Rebekah over time: they would number in the billions throughout the generations of humanity on the earth. God was not kidding when he said he would make Abraham’s seed as numerous as the stars of heaven. The blessing of numerous descendants who would possess the gates of their enemies confirms that Isaac and his seed received the same blessings given to Abraham (see Genesis 17:17-19, 21). However, Abraham had a previous son, Ishmael, via Hagar, and Ishmael’s descendants were also prophesied to become numerous and constitute a “great nation” which would feature “twelve princes.”

The “great nation” of Ishmael’s descendants in the modern world are the Arabs. The Arabs know that they are descended from Ishmael, the son of Abraham and Hagar. This linkage is so well-known that in my book, Israel’s Tribes Today, I cite references from three encyclopedias which address the Ishmaelite origin of the Arabs. The Encyclopedia Americana is quite specific when it states: “Most of the nations of the 12 sons of Ishmael can be identified as names of Arab tribes…” (Americana, 1988 Ed., Vol. 15, p. 489).

Now ask yourself an important question: If the Ishmaelites, who received the lesser blessing given to Abraham’s sons, constitute the numerous and oil-rich, modern Arab “nation” which founded several nations in the modern Mideast, then who constitutes the nations descended from Isaac? What modern nations have received the greater blessings given to Abraham’s other son, Isaac? Isaac’s nations must constitute nations more numerous, prosperous and powerful than the Ishmaelite Arabs if the Bible is true. Obviously, Isaac’s descendants in the modern world must consist of far more than just the Jews (and they do, as we will see). Genesis 24:60 prophesied that Isaac’s descendants would number in the billions over time. Either God kept this promise or he did not. We will see that he did!

N2 yes YOU are right , now that is only one side of it..
one of the words that was associated with the Saponi (google was is now Pani or Vala) / Catawba ( menegewi/ mingos/ maybe all eastern sioux) was the name Issa . and lots of other names all associated to the sea people who by the way carried lots of people on the sea.
I don't know if that means maybe Issac, Esaw, Asher or Issachar or what ? I have connected this Petra picture with the word Manatu which is what the Algonquin call
spirits or ancestors or really most all things which they can't or won't explain to themselves, thus " mysteries" . thus the 'gods' of most of these cultures were just ancestors who started their city or clans and they tried the stories of thier ancestors and history alive... maybe so nutters like "academics" , "intellectuals " and so called "scientist" like to have their way with peoples history and thus usurp who they are.... i think it must be a power trip.

so there are a few or quite a few connections (like hundreds with that part of the world) I won't name them all here but are completely ignored by everyone for political and mostly anti-religious(anti - christian reasons) . but that would be two obvious connections that can't be denied . besides the fact that culturally every Jew that ever lived with the eastern tribes said the eastern tribes were Jews.. which is WRONG! they may have been infused with Israelis over time and even many times over three thousand years. Mostly from North Africa . even one of my great uncles name was Tanac also know as a half king. and thus the final say.
but I think because of REV 12 they had it all backwards. in that Jesus claims rights through and past the Hittites/ or Chittim/ kittim / and here Kitawah and Chitum ( in mayan 1600 years ago ) clan system and why culturally he acts like a native even having women as disciples in a world were that wasn't cool to do . Things like not crying out when beat or and being murdered etc. and a thousand more things , that you recognize Him or you don't . Just tons of little things that show the common links in all nations and all people because the core culture are the same stuff .

now what the crooked mind has done with that stuff seems different but it isn't . it was just the ancestors who built their cities.

Yes I believe we were infused with Hebrews of many varieties from North Africa ( blown off course) and Christian welch ( see 'Prince Maddox" and the mandan and their boats ) he had a settlement move in and really anyone else in a boat can get blow off course and who knows what else from North Africa and China and south east Asia got here . the world has been a freeway but scientism has to believe in barriers to create a history for their lost theory of uniformitarianism to make their theories sound intewwwwegent. but they are deceivers at best . But the whole economic system completely colapsed 3200 years ago because of a huge event which STOPPED trade COMPLETELY .and few live through it to tell the stories. I mean if they saw it they probably died in it.
, SO any infusions of Hebrews was only in boat loads of lost or like pirates after that event because the seas were a freeway before that taking goods back and forth and that stopped after that event ( SEE COPPER MINES IN NORTH AMERICA AND ancient CYPRUS called Alashiya yes Elishah and Allega in North American . All that trade all stopped .
but Israel wasn't even formed before Joshua. so that real connection was before Joshua and before Joshua and his long day. thus making rev 12 HIS truth.

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"Obviously, Isaac’s descendants in the modern world must consist of far more than just the Jews"


Obviously not ....

BI theology is totally bogus .... the British/Israel rant is a total hoax

This theology is of Herbert W. Armstrong .... his WWCG and later spin offs claim that Britain and the US are of Israel .... not true

Armstrong said that the term Anglo Saxon refers to Issac's sons ... this idea is a made up one .... and there is no biblical support for it

He claimed that David's throne was moved to Great Britain .... He also said that Hitler and Mussolini were the beast and the false prophet

The US is most likely the "great city" of the Gentiles if we are close to the end of this present age [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 18:1-21]

Deu 32:8

When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

we veiw the nations wrong, we see what man has made not what God made and what God promises.

PS the 10 nations were first!!!!!!!!! then he added the 2 which is a king clan Judah and the levi's which are the educational clan. and then he spread the 10 to the 10..... Isreal will be like our Amabasadors to those other nations.. they are already part of them and of them now . they are in them now. that people and those clans is in their bones now.
see 6 nations. this is an ancient model which God set up 4000 years ago.
we have to stop drawing mankinds line in the dirt and calling them nations .. the new world has 3-6 nations or more in it PLUS to all 12
clans of both gentile " nations" and even up too 12 of "Israeli" are in it now ! each will have their places and functions and their own
"places" in his country. and no one will usurp anyone !

the whole thing is a good read actually that might teach us somethings, maybe


Deu 32:1

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Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
Deu 32:2

My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
Deu 32:3

Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Deu 32:5

They have corrupted themselves, their spot isnot the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
Deu 32:6

Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
Deu 32:7

Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
Deu 32:8

When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:9

For the LORD'S portion is his people; Jacob isthe lot of his inheritance.
Deu 32:10

He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
Deu 32:11

As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
Deu 32:12

So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.
Deu 32:13

He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;
Deu 32:14

Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.
Deu 32:15

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But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook Godwhich made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
Deu 32:16

They provoked him to jealousy with strangegods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
Deu 32:17

They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Deu 32:18

Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
Deu 32:19

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And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
Deu 32:20

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
Deu 32:21

They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
Deu 32:22

For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Deu 32:23

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I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
Deu 32:24

They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
Deu 32:25

The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
Deu 32:26

I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
Deu 32:27

Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the LORD hath not done all this.
Deu 32:28

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For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
Deu 32:29

O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
Deu 32:30

How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?
Deu 32:31

For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
Deu 32:32

For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
Deu 32:33

Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
Deu 32:34

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Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
Deu 32:35

To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
Deu 32:36

For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
Deu 32:37

And he shall say, Where are their gods, theirrock in whom they trusted,
Deu 32:38

Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, anddrank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
Deu 32:39

See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
Deu 32:40

For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
Deu 32:41

If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
Deu 32:42

I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
Deu 32:43

Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people. (AND WE WILL LET HIM do it !!)
Deu 32:44

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And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.
Deu 32:45

And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:
Deu 32:46

And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
Deu 32:47

For it is not a vain thing for you; because it isyour life: and through this thing ye shall prolongyour days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
Deu 32:48

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And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
Deu 32:49

Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, untomount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, thatis over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
Deu 32:50

And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
Deu 32:51

Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:52

Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.



he is preparing the way, and gather the stuff as I showed in a previous post. HE wasn't ever going to build the kingdom on earth like we think of him building things .. . the 8th day the Father brings a great city full of mansions for all who overcome.
why does he not build his kingdom.. maybe because either he like David has blood on his hands and is a man of war
and or he plans to be a man with blood on his hands ( intent of his heart ). look up there ^^^ I think he plans to have blood on his hands.
Who will be building and or arranging the house ? MAYBE those who do not have blood on their hands? so Who will be collecting, preparing and defending , yes those with blood on their hands and those which come very late and were not prepared to be obedient to know the plans he has . so maybe pray about that .

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I too watch Turkey.

and the 7 churches are in Turkey
it states to one of them that they lived in "the seat of satan" .
but also another consideration is those 7 churches up to 7 of the ten clans of the gentiles/ greeks= Hittites confederacy/ Sea people tribes so might, or will likely have a world wide application also. as these clans are and have been world wide with different lands being represented by city states there in Turkey. Pergamon is Periquiman NC , Perguis in baja mexico and many more all over the world .

so the story of Menelaus and Helen that happened has happened world wide and the results is pictured in the effects of Trojan wars..
Menelaus and Hellen and Paris is the factual account but historical picture of taking a kingdom by force/ rape or in that case of the father in the kingdom who has no power but was changing the rules and like creating games to SELL his daughter who would have legal authority and power and who's right it was to rule that city state/ Island /land/ kingdom.

http://www.rwaag.org/penelope this site shows has some of the conditions by which kingdoms passed down power and shared authority.

" One important role is that she anchors the kingship of
Ithaca. At the time of the Trojan war kings were determined by a
matrilineal scheme. Penelope was the queen and Odysseus became
king by marrying Penelope. If Penelope were to give up on
Odysseus then the man she married would become king of Ithaca."

there is more info to study about Matrilineal descent on the web.
in this history we see the plan of the enemy to usurp the kingdoms and their rights .
in the History before Mn/mene history we see the plan of our Father in heaven who set up the kingdoms.
BY claiming rights to that system in REV 12 through the Hittites that no doubt the Father himself set up from the start .
The Father shows His intent , and that He intended to win the Bride not molest her or her power.
Now even more important Before MN / Narmer's " new laws" he created to usurp the female clan rights . the husband of the Queen was to be the king by MN / the Menes new laws.

BUT by clan laws before (the Menes /MN) only a son of the woman was to rule with the mother or aunts( females of her clan if the queen died in like giving birth etc ) as shared as half kings. so if the male who wins the women never Rules any kingdom then the kings duty to make sure his son could rule wisely , because he wasn't going too ever rule a kingdom in his life . He could be her and his sons chief advisor and his commander of the son armies thus assuring his sons rule was long and good ( to be remembered ) maybe but there was no usurping the clan and matrilineal descent if someone died power went to a clan member next inline these were all sisters and aunts and they viewed each other as sisters.. . but it appears MN found in some places a way by making the father the king and not his son. thus the stories of distraught queens and men who go about usurping others women's kingdoms by war or changing of ancient laws or usurping the women rights or their clans rights . that was not the Fathers plan! the intent of the father has always been to win his bride and allow his son and his son's brothers ( those who pick up your cross and follow me) to rule kingdoms of ladies clans /land / cities which were established by good laws.

I hope that helps folks understand REV 12 a little better.
from that we( me too ) need to study the prophesies more by his ideas of nations. not from our current ideas of nations and lines in the sand and people and races and such . that is all the menes.
there is more info that will help..
but I need to pray about how to explain it or if too explain it .

I will say just a very short sweet version of the truth. old old established ideas.. Anaxibia and Queen Sheba and BathSheba it can mean oath and it can mean also Eve. have fun! and I am sure it is NOT wise to let the menes understand any of that though .

Straightshot said:

"Obviously, Isaac’s descendants in the modern world must consist of far more than just the Jews"


Obviously not ....

BI theology is totally bogus .... the British/Israel rant is a total hoax

This theology is of Herbert W. Armstrong .... his WWCG and later spin offs claim that Britain and the US are of Israel .... not true

Armstrong said that the term Anglo Saxon refers to Issac's sons ... this idea is a made up one .... and there is no biblical support for it

He claimed that David's throne was moved to Great Britain .... He also said that Hitler and Mussolini were the beast and the false prophet

The US is most likely the "great city" of the Gentiles if we are close to the end of this present age [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 18:1-21]

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Soooooooo,who is Israel or are you like most,think it's just the Jew's?I don't agree with all of what Armstrong say's,however,that would be true of any man...What I would like for you to do is,tell me why it's false!!

Let me help you out a lil more,and like I tell anyone,believe what you will,as Im not here to argue,just planting some seeds.........

America is spoken of in Ezekiel 38

http://www.theseason.org/ezekiel/ezekiel38.htm

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Ezekiel 38:14

"Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when My People of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?"
This is not Judah that God is referring to; that small nation in the Middle East bound up in strife and confusion. The true "Israel is now dwelling safely in their streets of the United States, England, Canada, and everywhere those Christian nations exist in these end times. While the United States lives in peace, the Jews strive for peace under the protective shield of the United States. It is the Christian nations that is being referred to here.

Ezekiel 38:15
"And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, and great company, and a mighty army."

"Thou" in this verse, is Russia. It is Russia that will come against "Israel" [the U.S.A., England and all Christian nations], for all of these Christian nations are trying to seek peace, and by it, they have compromised their security. They seek it through agreements, and trade and tariff treaties, which have no possibility of working, for they are created in lies and deception in secrecy. While we disarm, Russia and her allies are arming.

Yet in our blind faith, and with our foolish leaders, we continue to flaunt our strengths, destroy our treasures, and burn our arms. This foolishness was foretold some 2600 years ago by Ezekiel, as well as Joel, Jesus, and also in many other places in our Bible. We seem to be no smarter then our forefathers were at Sinai, when Aaron made the Golden calf, or in the House of Israel, following Solomon's death; when Jeroboam made the two golden calves to worship "Balos".

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Jesus said He was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.

Jesus said His sheep [Israel] hear His voice and follow Him... and they did... afterwards they were
called Christians... which fulfilled the Isaiah 65:15 prophecy that says God will call His people by
another name.

Jesus also spoke to other jews and told them they did not believe because they were NOT His sheep.

So who were these unbelieving non-Israel "jews" ??

The Roman-jewish historian, Josephus, tells you who they are... Edomites [Israel's enemy] who lost
a war against Israel in the 2nd century BC and were allowed to stay in the Kingdom of Israel if they
"converted"... which they did en masse. King Herod [who tried to murder Israel's Messiah when
he ordered the massacre of the infants of Bethlehem] was an Edomite-jew.

Those who don't understand that there were two totally different types of Judeans [ie, jews]
Israelites and Edomites - will not understand the New Testament.


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"What I would like for you to do is,tell me why it's false!!"


I already have .... it is a total ruse .... no truth to it

Armstrong was a false prophet and there is no Biblical support for BI .... none .... 0

http://www.bible.ca/pre-british-israelism-herbert-armstrong.htm

America is Babylon and God is calling His people out of her. Jeremiah 50 & 51 are speaking of America. America has pushed God out of this country & God's hand of judgment stands ready to fall upon this country. Pray for God to give you wisdom & discernment. The book of Daniel & of Revelations also speak about America, and judgment is coming soon. Pray for wisdom, pray for God's will to be done in your life. Look up Rebecca Sterling on Youtube, she had a vision of what was coming, Jonathan Kahn is also a watchman and whistleblower who warns of what is coming, David Wilkerson (now deceased) also had visions of what is coming, look them up on Youtube. Please pray for wisdom and discernment and for God's Holy Spirit to show you who America is in the Bible, the Holy Spirit is the teacher who will reveal everything to you.

If we are close to the time of the end then it appears by the biblical account and definition as given in Revelation's unfolding that the USA is the great city [civilization] of MBG

If we are not close .... then things can change over time and the USA may not be the "great city"

I believe in the seven churches as ages...

Ephesus - Apostolic – Began on the day of Pentecost
Smyrna - Martyr – Foxes has the Roman persecutions as ten... Early Orthodox
Pergamos - Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages… Orthodox
Thyatira - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate. Mid-ages Catholic
Sardis - A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid. The Protestant church
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea – The Charismatic / Word of Faith – The encouragement of faith and charisma.

I pin the United States as the Laodicean capital of the world. It was DL Moody who first got this started by purchasing a mansion with ministry proceeds...

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The USA is the heart of global Babylon... God made the USA queen of the seven mountains [continents]
and many waters [seven seas] and it has used its global cultural, financial, political and military hegemony
to spread revolution, war and degenerate popular culture around the world. Now that the USSC has
legalized sodomite "marriage"... the USA will be using its hegemony to globally enforce this abomination.


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AMOS 2:13 Behold, I am pressed under you, as a cart is pressed [that is] full of sheaves.
AMOS 2:14 Therefore the flight shall perish from the swift, and the strong shall not strengthen his force, neither shall the mighty deliver himself:
AMOS 2:15 Neither shall he stand that handleth the bow; and [he that is] swift of foot shall not deliver [himself]: neither shall he that rideth the horse deliver himself.
AMOS 2:16 And [he that is] courageous among the mighty shall flee away naked in that day, saith the LORD.

Amos 2:13 - A Great Nation, The Gospel, and the Antichrist, all Suffer in one place against the prosecution of the world.
Amos 2:14 - America that great nation is used as a Martyr
Amos 2:15 - Antichrist that great man of faith is used as a Martyr
Amos 2:16 - Antipas, the Holy Spirit is used to rally the Martyrs of the Lord

The United States of America is the head of Nato, and a number of initiatives globally to help bring and establish peace. In truth, rogue nations establish regimes, and find their war machines cannot be supplied, so they gather the people to beg the nations for supplies. The people of these places always give their supplies to the regimes, not because they are forced to, but because they want to be a war machine. The United States of America ends up supplying these places with food and support, only to end up supplying them also with martyrs.

Outside of watching this lynch mob of the world at large outside of the USA, solicit the USA for martyrs and hard labor. This is only a front for an assault on the going forth of the gospel, the gospel is given with rejoicing in the usa, and because it cannot be recieved because of sin globally, the nations call the usa to provide martyrs instead, which it does, and the gospel sees this as a sin for the world at large. The world is very suicidal, this is evidence if we follow the antichrist, and observe the body counts locally, and on a larger scale, but we don't know who he is, only that the attraction is the end of life for the people facing the end of their lives. (is this going to be displayed and capture international attention on 7/17/2015, perhaps, or perhaps not, we must simply keep watch, we are at the end of time now).