A Couple Questions about Headcovering...

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As the title infers, I've a couple questions about headcovering that I have been trying to find the answers to. I'm not an anabaptist by any means, but I figured this forum is the best one to post in.

At any rate. A couple weeks ago I decided to start headcovering to show submission and modesty. I spoke with my HOH at some length about it, and he got right on board with it, as well. For the moment, I've very little to cover with, except for one tiny bandana that I feel doesn't really cover enough, a yard of cloth I bought at Walmart that I've cut square, and some headbands for when I'm at work.

Question number one is me wondering where you all get your headcoverings, if you do not make them yourself. If you do, where can I find a (hopefully free) pattern for making the veil style headcoverings?

The other thing that I've found I have trouble with is keeping it in place. They all keep slipping down off the top of my head, and I find myself having to readjust probably around every half an hour. I've read that pinning them with bobby pins or alligator clips does the trick, as well as any other number of tips. My question about that is, which works best, and are there other styles of headcoverings that may stay put better without having to put clips or pins in? I've been looking at the Israeli tichel style headcoverings, and they look like they'd work well and have a lot of fabric to them.

Anyways, that's about it. Any comments or suggestions would be most helpful! Thank you in advance!
 
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This magazine ran an article a few years back with several pattens. I'm sorry, I can't remember which issue it was but if you contact them I'm sure they will help. They are lovely Christian ladies. They also had ideas for keeping the covering secure.

An Encouraging Word

This lady is a single homeschooling mama who makes lovely coverings at a reasonable price if you're in the States: Head coverings of natural fiber and vintage by lovelycoverings

I mostly use large square scarves, which I tie at the nape of the neck & use bobby pins to secure.
 
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This magazine ran an article a few years back with several pattens. I'm sorry, I can't remember which issue it was but if you contact them I'm sure they will help. They are lovely Christian ladies. They also had ideas for keeping the covering secure.

An Encouraging Word

This lady is a single homeschooling mama who makes lovely coverings at a reasonable price if you're in the States: Head coverings of natural fiber and vintage by lovelycoverings

I mostly use large square scarves, which I tie at the nape of the neck & use bobby pins to secure.

Thank you for your advice! I went to that site with the magazine, but unfortunately I don't think we have the funds for me to get a backordered copy of the particular mag even if I could find it. I did go to the etsy store and check it out; the lady who runs it hasn't got anything up at the moment, but I bookmarked her so I could keep track should she start running things again.

That aside, a couple more questions are coming up for me...

I'm trying to figure out how often I aim to cover. I know biblically it says for prayer or prophesying, but for me, much of my covering is an expression of submission to my HOH and to God...so in a lot of ways, I feel like I ought to be covering full time, even in the home and at work.

Work presents a HUGE problem for me. I work retail, commission-based sales in a store. When I got hired on, this wasn't an issue to me at all, as I hadn't been called to this kind of lifestyle yet. Now, I'm afraid to show up covered and catch flack from it, so I've been trying to modify a little lace headband and think of that as my headcovering (kind of like this one: www dot etsy dot com/listing/61800393/winter-green-stretch-lace-headband-hair) while I'm there. It works well enough, and no one knows what I'm actually doing... However, at the same time I keep getting this niggling guilty feeling that I'm cheating by not going all the way.

I know that my workplace is not allowed to say anything about my religious convictions or fire me for it, but these things sort of tend to work differently in practice than they do on paper, if you know what I mean...

Is there any advice anyone could give on how to deal with the work situation?
 
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ViridianSoul: Contact AEW directly with your request. If you seriously cannot afford the price for a backcopy they will give you a copy free. I know. I had a free subscription for years. If you explain They may just be able to give you a photocopy of the pattens.

As to work: Do you have a uniform ~ or more formal clothing? I would simply co~ordinate a head scarf with that. This is a love walk so don't trip up on being legalistic about it. I cover full time ~ but I don't always wear my covering. Some days anything on my head drives me crazy so I only cover if I am going out because you never know when you may end up praying or prophesying. I don't wear it when the choir I belong to performs as it's not part of their uniform. I figure I won't be doing any public praying or prophesying during a performance.

Over time you may find the reason for covering changes ~ as it did for me. I began because God asked me too & I had 3 main reasons: For God, Because of praying & prophesying & because of the angels. My husband wasn't into the submission thing so that seemed rather pointless & is not, never has been, a part of why I cover. Over time it has become much more an expression of my love for Jesus & far less about anything else. It declares I belong to Him to the world ~ & as such invites questions & an opportunity to share the gospel.
 
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Thank you for your ideas referring to work, CelticRose. At my job, women do not have a uniform, although we are told to dress professionally. I'm sure I can coordinate something that looks nice and presentable with my work wardrobe. I mostly didn't want it to be this whole huge thing with me trying to explain my shift in beliefs to my boss-- who really has no business in the matter anyways, of course.

For the present, I cover to show submissiveness to my HOH and to God, as well as for reasons of modesty. I can't foresee that changing much, because I've always been very submissively-natured, but I am certainly not "stuck" on one kind of way of doing things. I'm just kind of feeling things out right now, since it's all so new to me.

Currently, at work, I wear a lacey-type wide stretch headband. It's funny, because even though I've only been covering for two weeks or so, last night when I came home and took off the headband, and replaced it with my one full covering I've got, my HOH (DH) kind of laughed a bit and said that I look weird to him now when I have just the headband on, because he's already used to and far prefers me fully covered. I love that I have his full support in this without some of the difficulties other women have getting their men on board, and I happen to agree with him, too. I far greatly prefer me fully covered, too. I'm hoping that in the future, our roles will revert back the way they ought to be (with him working and me homemaking) so that I can feel a lot more comfortable covering and not worrying about work and whether or not I'm going to get in trouble over it.

The truth of the matter is that I find I feel far more feminine and pretty when I do wear it...which is about the opposite of what I thought it was going to be like. So it's been a pleasant surprise all around. Thanks be to God for leading me in this direction and giving me the strength to even start covering!
 
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As the title infers, I've a couple questions about headcovering that I have been trying to find the answers to. I'm not an anabaptist by any means, but I figured this forum is the best one to post in.

At any rate. A couple weeks ago I decided to start headcovering to show submission and modesty. I spoke with my HOH at some length about it, and he got right on board with it, as well. For the moment, I've very little to cover with, except for one tiny bandana that I feel doesn't really cover enough, a yard of cloth I bought at Walmart that I've cut square, and some headbands for when I'm at work.

Question number one is me wondering where you all get your headcoverings, if you do not make them yourself. If you do, where can I find a (hopefully free) pattern for making the veil style headcoverings?

The other thing that I've found I have trouble with is keeping it in place. They all keep slipping down off the top of my head, and I find myself having to readjust probably around every half an hour. I've read that pinning them with bobby pins or alligator clips does the trick, as well as any other number of tips. My question about that is, which works best, and are there other styles of headcoverings that may stay put better without having to put clips or pins in? I've been looking at the Israeli tichel style headcoverings, and they look like they'd work well and have a lot of fabric to them.

Anyways, that's about it. Any comments or suggestions would be most helpful! Thank you in advance!

I also cover.
I have bought snoods from:
— Garlands of Grace
and
A Snood For All Seasons by asnoodforallseasons on Etsy

I personally love my snoods, they're super comfy and I like tying the back into a bun style.
It's always nice meeting another woman who covers. :)
Best of luck in your new journey!

Peace,
- Niffer
 
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The truth of the matter is that I find I feel far more feminine and pretty when I do wear it...which is about the opposite of what I thought it was going to be like. So it's been a pleasant surprise all around. Thanks be to God for leading me in this direction and giving me the strength to even start covering!

yes! thanks be to ABBA forever in YAHSHUA for His Faithfulness and Wonder and Awe in Blessing those who seek Him fully and Love Him totally! YES!
 
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Hi!

First, sorry it's taken me so long to reply. Apparently I'd forgotten all about this forum until something came through to me e-mail today...

I make my own headcoverings. I just find it's easier and cheaper to do so, particularly as bought headcoverings typically have to come all the way from the US to Australia, which get expensive just is postage. Headcoverings aren't very big and it feels silly to ship them!

I've been sewing since I was quite young - I made a skirt when I was 7 and a dress when I was 8 - so sewing my own clothing, particularly headcoverings, is nothing big to me. If you don't have a good background in sewing, it might be harder.

If you don't mind wearing a kapp-style covering, a good how-to can be found here at Shepherd's Hill: http :// shepherdshillhomestead. com/ 2004/08/08/ how-to-make-a-headcovering/ (remove spaces). It has lots of clear step-by-step pictures. I've made one or two from this but find it's not a very good shape for my head, and also it's at odds with my belief that headcoverings are meant to hang. (The strange things you come across when you're a student of Biblical Greek).

Otherwise, I'll try to describe the pattern I normally use to make my headcoverings, which are a simple white hanging thing.

First, take two measurements of your head: from hairline along the centre-back to where you want to it hang, and the circumference going under the nape of your neck and over the top of your head.

Take these measurements and draw them on paper or cloth in a cross, leaving about 10cm (3-4 inches) at the top of the length measurement (along the top of the head).

Draw around the measurements so you have two points (at the sides) and two rounded bits. The longer rounded bit is the back and the flatter rounded bit is the front. Cut around it.

I usually just hem the top and the back, but you can attach lace or whatever. I sew the two side bits together so the whole thing is like a tube, but I know that some ladies prefer to clip or pin this. I find using lycra or a similar stretchy material works best.

Another thing I do often is just get a square of cloth, fold into a triangle, and tie like a bandanna. This can lead to odd "wings" and not sitting nicely, though, depending on the material.

Using the white "charity veil" style works best with most semi-formal wardrobes. If you're meant to dress professionally (say, a white shirt and black skirt and jacket or whatever) for work, that will fit in nicely. However, it is quite obviously religious, so if you're not up to that just yet, it might be better to stick with the headbands. The more obviously religious something looks, the more questions, which might be great for witnessing but not so great if you don't like awkward conversations and get nervous.

For keeping headcoverings on, I usually use bobby pins or similar. That's just what works for me. I've probably tried everything, from dressmaker's pins to clippies to headbands. You just have to experiment and find what works best for you.

If you're into tichel-style coverings, I've found that I don't need any fastener at all, really, to keep them on. Admittedly I don't wear headcoverings of that style out and about much, just around the house, but 'around the house' for me includes things like mucking out chook houses, and I've never had much trouble with them.

As for snoods, those don't work for me very well because I have a lot of very thick hair - snoods fall off immediately if I don't use lots and lots of bobby pins to keep them on, which pulls painfully at the front of my scalp. And of course, if you wear a snood with a bun, it looks silly.

But again, everything about the practical side of headcovering depends on your head shape, texture of hair and how much you have, your lifestyle, church membership, and personal preference. As I've found out, what works for one person might not work for another. My sister wears big floppy berets, which works very well on her rat's nest she calls hair (it's not her fault. It's just very frizzy), but I wouldn't be able to deal with a beret all day, I prefer to put my hair in a bun, pin a headcovering on, and be done with it.

I was lucky, in a way, when I started covering, that I was so far removed from most other Christian headcoverings (being in Australia), so I had a lot of space to try things out and find my own style, without being too trapped by the need to look like something... or not look like something else. I have a friend in the US who said she didn't want to try my style of headcovering because that's what her local Mennonite church wore, and she wasn't Mennonite. My only problem was trying not to look Exclusive Brethren, which was easy enough because wearing my hair loose drives me nuts.

Well, I've been very long (and very late), but I hope I've been somewhat helpful, at least. All the best with your headcovering journey, and God bless.
from Rachel.
 
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Hi, I recently joined this forum and I hope you have found some good information on headcoverings and websites that sell and make them. I just started wearing a headcovering a few months ago. I cover with a headscarf. Here are a few sites that sell modest clothing and headcoverings that you may want to look into. http://www.headcovers.com and http://katiesmercantile.com/

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There are many, many sites which sell headcoverings and modest clothing. Personally, for me, I don't buy from them much, because most of them are in the US and that means exorbitant postage fees to get anything sent out. The only place I really buy from is https://www.gehmanscountryfabrics.com/, which has very good-quality material for dresses. Generally, I'd rather make my clothes and headcoverings myself, because I know what I like and I can be sure it will fit nicely. But I suppose if you don't sew, or don't like to sew, buying online would be better.

A very comprehensive (although not exhaustive) list of online shops can be found at http://www.modestclothes.com/.
 
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I have been covering since April. I started with these tube-style covers that I found at the dollar store! I then made a bunch of wide headbands that fully cover the top of my head. I often wear those to work, because they don't scream "I'm covering my head", while still having the effect I am after. I was able to find a bunch more wide headbands and tube-style coverings from a store that sells accessories of all types. I have a great collection now.

If you are on Facebook, there is a group called Headcovering Christian Women with many women of faith who cover with every style of cover imaginable!
 
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I add this as food for thought, not as an endorsement nor as a discouragement. As I understand, covering the head is based upon these verses. 1 Cor. 11:3-16

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman that prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, for as much as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray to God uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame to him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.​

I've heard various explanations on the topic, most are rooted in the idea of a man being the head of the house. But consider the activity of the passage: prayer and prophecy. What does that mean? To pray is man communicating to God, and to prophesy is God communicating to man through man. The head is also considered the source, as in the head of the river is where the water comes from. We are given a line of source in verse 3: God, Christ, man, then woman (and I would continue, children). Since the action is communication, Paul seems to be addressing hindrances of communication from the ultimate source: God. A man should intercede for his wife and children, and speak to them on behalf of God. But if a man does not and the woman takes on that job, it is a shame to the man (v. 5). But if the man refuses, it is better for the woman to do so, or be shaven (v. 6). A woman should encourage her husband to take spiritual leadership because (v. 10 angels could mean demons) if not it opens the door to demonic intrusion.

God accepts all the ways his children worship him, so covering your head with a garment to show your obedience is not an issue. What I think is the greater issue in this passage is Paul's concern that men step up to the plate and take on the leadership God intends men to exercise. Just an idea... food for thought.
 
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Alex, I agree with most of what you've said about the roles, etc... It just sounds a bit like you're saying that your explanation precludes wearing an actual physical covering - to me, it goes along with it. An outward symbol of a visible belief, like baptism symbolises new life as a Christian - and a constant physical reminder to behave in a Christian manner.
 
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Alex, I agree with most of what you've said about the roles, etc... It just sounds a bit like you're saying that your explanation precludes wearing an actual physical covering - to me, it goes along with it. An outward symbol of a visible belief, like baptism symbolises new life as a Christian - and a constant physical reminder to behave in a Christian manner.
Rachel, I am saying it is your choice, not the Lord's. He accepts all our forms of worship when our hearts are turned towards him. I would never discourage anyone who is following Christ in how they worship Him. Romans 14 is an admonishment towards encouraging all believers in their faith. That is the spirit of Christ.
 
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Agreed. Everyone has a unique walk with God and expresses their faith differently in actions and manner of worship. None is better than any other, when done with the right intent, and headcovering is such a non-salvation issue. I suppose it's just easy to get defensive too quickly when you make an "unusual" choice such as headcovering, so I apologise for that.
 
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Rachel, no problem. I think the Amish and Mennonites are some of the purest Christians around. I admire all of your devotion and attention to God. If my memory serves, it was either an Amish or Mennonite fellowship that Jim Eliot was a member that died for the Ecuadorian Indians, and whose wives forgave them which transformed into a saving faith in Christ. I have nothing but respect for all of you.
 
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I have seen women using straight pins (for sewing) to keep them in place. Along with alligator clips/bobby pins. I use bobby pins to keep mine in place, and it still seems to slide around a lot. I guess the next thing I will try is hairspray my hair first to help it stick then use alligator clips and maybe try the straight pins. I'm told with practice you stop stabbing your self in the head with them. :p
 
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