Pope Francis on Gay "marriage"

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I do get out in the public square. I am known in my city for being active in civic projects and youth sports. I sit on Church advisory boards where we focus on social justice issues in our community and how we can be better neighbors and really serve our fellow man. I taught religious education for several years and hosted a Christian men's group at a bar open to anyone interested in sitting in. My wife is known to the community and our children are active in...seemingly everything. My wife and I are among a few young couples who meet with and mentor engaged couples. I wish I could say that my fellow Church members were quick to hop at opportunities to sign up and give their weeknights to the Church nor the betterment of all of us, but they aren't. We get the same handful of decent people signing up for everything, while the majority (including the most vocally political) are content to bemoan the State of the world. There is a lot more that Inshould be doing. We can turn this thing around, but only by giving of ourselves.
Salvation comes from the Church, and we as the Church need to clean up our own act, so we can clean up the world. I'm not a Confucianist but I agree wholeheartedly with one of their tenets, which is change yourself and you will change your family. Change you family, and you will change your village, change your village and you will change your state. We need to start with ourselves, and it will work its way out. Right now the Catholic Church in America is quite frankly irreligious. When only 7-9% of a congregation does 90% of all the work in a parish, you have a problem. The question is how to fix it, and to be honest I don't have that answer. All I know how to do is fix myself, and sometimes even that is questionable.
 
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Salvation comes from the Church, and we as the Church need to clean up our own act, so we can clean up the world. I'm not a Confucianist but I agree wholeheartedly with one of their tenets, which is change yourself and you will change your family. Change you family, and you will change your village, change your village and you will change your state. We need to start with ourselves, and it will work its way out. Right now the Catholic Church in America is quite frankly irreligious. When only 7-9% of a congregation does 90% of all the work in a parish, you have a problem. The question is how to fix it, and to be honest I don't have that answer. All I know how to do is fix myself, and sometimes even that is questionable.
That can be said for the Pope's new encyclical and recycling.
 
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Well maybe. That is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal though.

Precisely true!

A Christian is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal. The Body of Christ is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal. The Pope is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal.

The separation of American conservatives and the pope does not centre on Catholic teachings, which are universally held by all the world's Catholics, those who align themselves with the communion of the popes and the saint, at least.
The separation of American conservatives and the pope centres on his tendency to speak in very liberal terms.[/quotee]

Then Catholics in America need to stop using whatever language they're using and start using the language the Pope is using, because if they're not using the language the Pope is using, they are wrong...not him.
 
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Well, he is South American.
I am not sure what the rest of the post has to do as a response to my post though.

The world is bigger than a nation.
Okay.
Christ is bigger than a nation.
Sure.
Can anyone see the whole Body of Christ?
Well maybe. That is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal though.

The separation of American conservatives and the pope does not centre on Catholic teachings, which are universally held by all the world's Catholics, those who align themselves with the communion of the popes and the saint, at least.
The separation of American conservatives and the pope centres on his tendency to speak in very liberal terms.
Other more conservative popes talked in more conservative terms, and if that was where where the separation between them and liberal Americans was centred on, then that is fair enough. One does not have to be a conservative to be a Catholic. God is neither a liberal or a conservative, to be sure. God is not relative, according to his absolute and transcendent nature.

But one does have to accept the Catholic de fide teachings. If one cannot accept those teachings on matters of faith and morals, such as absolute ban with cooperating with abortion, then one automatically excommunicates oneself.
And that is where the separation is between American liberals like Pelosi, and the Church, which is bigger than any pope, but includes all popes. Just as the world is bigger than any nation, the Church is bigger than the tendencies and inclinations of any pope, and American liberals certainly excommunicate themselves by accepting and promoting things that are contrary to church dogma.
This is more significant than a critique of the current pope's political views, to be sure. The differences between American conservatives and the pope pale in comparison to American liberals and the whole of the magesterium of the Church. To be clear, when Ted Kennedy led your party to the side of supporting abortion, he in effect excommunicated himself by doing so.
And that was even before he murdered that girl.

Oh, and if you open up the latest NRO, you will see who is starting to argue for polygamy now that the latest battle for the left has been won. It is not the conservatives in America, and not the pope either.
Guess who-o?
Three guesses, and the first two don't count.

At least it should be clear where I stand on polygamy. Other people ask the questions, but never give their answer, so who knows where you stand on it?
Gee, why am i not surprised the slippery slope just got some water poured on it?
Um yeah, figured it would come soon after.

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Even when the cookie is this big, the mice want something more. The call went out that there were new citadels to conquer. Within hours of the decision, Politico ran a call to arms titled “It’s Time to Legalize Polygamy: Why Group Marriage Is the Next Horizon of Social Liberalism.” On Sunday, Time magazine had Mark Oppenheimer’s “Now’s the Time to End Tax Exemptions for Religious Institutions.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420560/culture-warriors-gay-marriage-polygamy-jonah-goldberg
 
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Precisely true!

A Christian is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal. The Body of Christ is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal. The Pope is not relative to being a conservative or a liberal.
True - but God is 100% Good vs evil.
And we all know what He called evil.
So as the Bride - we too must call evil, evil - and Good, good.
 
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Salvation comes from the Church, and we as the Church need to clean up our own act, so we can clean up the world.
As long as perfection isnt expected - but rather at least trying to uphold the Church teachings as best as one can - should be quite enough.
Of course dont ever expect this as a majority in order to evangelize.
I'm not a Confucianist but I agree wholeheartedly with one of their tenets, which is change yourself and you will change your family. Change you family, and you will change your village, change your village and you will change your state.
Reminds me of the old adage - want to change the world look in the mirror.
Its very true.. out actions and reactions make up our entire environment via the trickle effect.
We need to start with ourselves, and it will work its way out. Right now the Catholic Church in America is quite frankly irreligious. When only 7-9% of a congregation does 90% of all the work in a parish, you have a problem. The question is how to fix it, and to be honest I don't have that answer. All I know how to do is fix myself, and sometimes even that is questionable.
Unfortunately this is why so many go to purgatory - for lukewarmness.
 
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I am not sure I would boil it down like that
It is really a matter of the integrity of the electorate.
What is the norm now for pleasing the electorate with any number of promises of license and entitlements has not always been the norm for the democratic process.
It is very much a product of the sexual revolution of the 1970's.
 
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It is really a matter of the integrity of the electorate.
What is the norm now for pleasing the electorate with any number of promises of license and entitlements has not always been the norm for the democratic process.
It is very much a product of the sexual revolution of the 1970's.
And the sexual revolution has now morphed into the homosexual revolution.
 
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And the sexual revolution has now morphed into the homosexual revolution.
Trangender is now all the new rage.
And that is being fought in elementary school bathrooms, of all places.
 
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