This little girl has guts made of steel

WarriorAngel said:

It seems to me - the guy was already preaching - she went to stand in front of him while he was doing so - i doubt he decided to just go off when she showed - but rather she went there inclined to show off the flag.

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And? She's the little girl, he's still the adult, and his behavior is still (failed) intimidation and bullying.

He did not say the word hell in front of her.. he may not have changed his voice tone - but he could have changed his message?

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90% of his message he is his voice tone and body language. All she will have heard is the word "Jesus", attached to that tone and body language. jesus as a bullying device.

Regardless he was preaching about the love of Jesus

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No he wasn't. To some extent the content of his sentences is that, but it's lost to the message carried in his delivery

Rhamiel said:

wow, an Anglican telling a bunch of Muslims that their system is not really Islamic?

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The term is islamic in origin; an islamic rejection of DAESH and what it stands for. Popularised in this country by our very conservative/right wing prime minister (one of the very few things I agree with him

Rhamiel said:

how would you feel if some Muslim institution, like a school or government, started to get into talks with Baptists but said "the Anglicans, they are not really Christian"

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Perhaps you'd like to take that up with the Popes and Cardinals who've described them and their ilk as unIslamic

ebia said:

Perhaps you'd like to take that up with the Popes and Cardinals who've described them and their ilk as unIslamic

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i sure would

the Caliphate is just acting the way that Islamic Caliphates have acted all through history
but we are getting off topic

both IS and the gay rights movement have lots of brave men and women who sincerely believe in the goodness of their actions
even if we do not agree with them, we should recognize that bravery

Rhamiel said:

i sure would

the Caliphate is just acting the way that Islamic Caliphates have acted all through history
but we are getting off topic

both IS and the gay rights movement have lots of brave men and women who sincerely believe in the goodness of their actions
even if we do not agree with them, we should recognize that bravery

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I would not agree; terror tactics are ultimately cowardly. but the immediate conversation was about them being unIslamic, not cowardly.

On them being unIslamic, I'll stand with the likes of Pope Francis, Francis Cardinal Arinze and Robert Cardinal Sarah.

but are terrorists less cowardly then homosexual rights activists?

death threats sent to bakers
judges putting photographers out of business
frivolous lawsuits
social media being used to destroy the lives of people who do not agree with them

and you might not think that ISIS is very Islamic
but they really believe in it, and they risk their lives every day fighting for it

now the thing they are fighting for is evil
just as much of the Homosexual rights movement is evil

but the people in both do sincerely believe in it

Rhamiel said:

but are terrorists less cowardly then homosexual rights activists?

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I'd say the tactics of terror are more cowardly than the tactics of bullying by rights activists, whether homosexual, Christian or whatever.

death threats sent to bakers
judges putting photographers out of business
frivolous lawsuits
social media being used to destroy the lives of people who do not agree with them

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What makes you think this little girl has engaged in any of those. Not that they come close to rape, beheading, ...

and you might not think that ISIS is very Islamic
but they really believe in it, and they risk their lives every day fighting for it

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Using terror to do so is, in my opinion cowardly, not couragous.
And none of that makes it islamic.
(FWIW, there's good evidence that the real architects of DAESH, the planning and power behind the throne, are straightforward BAARTH party, with no especial religous beliefs whatsoever).

now the thing they are fighting for is evil
just as much of the Homosexual rights movement is evil

but the people in both do sincerely believe in it

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This looks more and more like a fallacy of association.

frenchdefense said:

First, I agree with Rhamiel: The boys of ISIS do have some guts. A lot of them are also cowards and none of them are capable of anything like running a nation.

But they do have a fair amount to courage.

Second, at long last this board has no shame.

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thank you, I was not trying to derail the thread, I was just agreeing with what you said about how even if we do not agree with someone philosophy, you should give credit where credit is due
you have always tried to be consistent and I appreciate that

The girl in the picture is being conditioned to disrespect others beliefs. The street preachers seem to be arguing from an ideology of hate, so in both directions I am disturbed.

Threads like this reinforce my opinion that you don't have to be a religious fundamentalist to hold downright stupid ideas.

What exactly People are cheering about the little girl ?. Is the preacher making threatening speech or gestures ?.What exactly she is standing up for ?.

She is too small a girl to stand up to anything except perhaps an extra serving of icecream.

Rationalt said:

Threads like this reinforce my opinion that you don't have to be a religious fundamentalist to hold downright stupid ideas.

What exactly People are cheering about the little girl ?. Is the preacher making threatening speech or gestures ?.What exactly she is standing up for ?.

She is too small a girl to stand up to anything except perhaps an extra serving of icecream.

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Its the fact and they way that she is standing up to him that's impressive.

GoingByzantine said:

The girl in the picture is being conditioned to disrespect others beliefs.

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How so? That might be true, but I'm not sure its inherent in what we are being shown. (Unless you mean the "preacher" is doing an effective job of teaching her that Christianity isn't worthy of respect.)

ebia said:

How so? That might be true, but I'm not sure its inherent in what we are being shown. (Unless you mean the "preacher" is doing an effective job of teaching her that Christianity isn't worthy of respect.)

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She is being taught confrontation. "Here sally, go wave this flag in that bigots face. Teach him a lesson." It's free speech sure, but its clearly along the usual left/right ideological lines.

GoingByzantine said:

She is being taught confrontation. "Here sally, go wave this flag in that bigots face. Teach him a lesson." It's free speech sure, but its clearly along the usual left/right ideological lines.

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Peaceful protest is a vital part of the debate.

You might disagree with her cause, but the means seems entirely appropriate

ebia said:

Its the fact and they way that she is standing up to him that's impressive.

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Oh come on, Don't spin this. It is a pathetic spectacle of making the small girl hold this stupid flag. I am more inclined to respect the preacher whose livelihood probably depends on propagating a modified Jewish myth of 2000 years ago.

The people who put up this girl and the people who are cheering for this spectacle are pathetic and downright disgusting.
The preachers who proclaim doom based on a myth of Israel are much more honorable and humane than the so called progressives who get off on putting up a little girl in this disgusting spectacle.

ebia said:

Peaceful protest is a vital part of the debate.

You might disagree with her cause, but the means seems entirely appropriate

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They are.

I wonder if there was a pro-life gathering and a pro-choice person confronted a child, would we see a reversal in attitudes to both the adult and the child, or the parents of the child.

that's also a rhetorical.

Rationalt said:

Oh come on, Don't spin this. It is a pathetic spectacle of making the small girl hold this stupid flag. I am more inclined to respect the preacher whose livelihood probably depends on propagating a modified Jewish myth of 2000 years ago.

The people who put up this girl and the people who are cheering for this spectacle are pathetic and downright disgusting.

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Peaceful protest is a vital part of a functioning political debate, and it's right - good - that children's upbringing includes apprenticing in that.

ebia said:

Peaceful protest is a vital part of a functioning political debate,

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well those street preachers were doing peaceful protest, but everyone seems to want to call them bullies