Out of body experience or near death?

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AV likes to label anything he doesn't like as Satanic, even if there is no Scripture to back it up whatsoever.

Which is kind of a problem. If you tell an atheist that his/her beliefs and actions are Satanic, they will just laugh at you. But if you accuse, say, a theistic evolutionist, such as myself, as being Satanic, I take that as a serious and offensive accusation.
 
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That link just uses vague verses about witchcraft and tries to apply them to this kind of situation.
And this is just hogwash too, isn't it?

What's your response to the OP?
 
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I don't have time to read a bunch of long articles, sorry. Try summarizing the relevant parts.
I'll pass, thanks.

For the record, I believe most, if not all, of out-of-the-body experiences today are satanic.

If some people don't like that, then I can't help it.
 
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How would you go about differentiating a satanic OOBE from a non-satanic one?
I don't.

But if I had to, there are some simple questions I could ask that would probably settle it for me.

Mainly:

1. What did you do to prepare for and initiate this OOBE?
2. What was the purpose of this OOBE?
3. Explain your OOBE to me.

(This conversation is getting mighty old.)
 
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This may have been a topic in the past here but I'm a new member. Wanted to hear people's thoughts and views on this. Do you think it's possible and has anyone ever experienced this themselves before?

Hi,

Many times I worry, about what people think when I say anything of a normal, but extraordinary experience with God.

To counter their expected worries I then start giving all the checks and balances that I have in place, to keep them from thinking negative thoughts.

On hearing the personal voices of God The Father and Jesus Christ plus the Holy Spirit also, even though He is the hardest one to know for me personally, voice wise and feeling wise, for most people normally I have to drag out all of my proofs that I am not mentally ill, to who else in the church separate from me has verified that it really was God and no other in that instance, when they personally talked to me.

As far as NDE's I have heard of three that I take as contact with God. None of those involve me. But, all of them involve God in some way or another, I think.

As far as meditative connections, I don't meditate in any form as it seems too close to occult practices for me.

In that list for others, one item always concerns me, and soon I tell everyone, so I usually tell them this fact, I can do nothing on my own.

No tool given to me by God, ever stays with me forever.

I can ask God really for nothing, as He directs, He leads, He monitors me for exhaustion, so even time off I do not ask for anymore, and on my part other than a desire to be right with God, I provide nothing but normally resisting Him.

So, I am a reluctant and lazy worker, but the work is so much fun in the good that He is always putting into the lives of each and every situation that He puts me into, that I don't ever want to be fired or laid off, by Him. I don't.

So, I cannot ask for things from God nor do things at will, on my whim, nor as I hopefully said, on my own personal will.

It just is not part of the privelege and fun of working for God. And, although I have seen The Essence of God, yes He is Trinitarian, yes Jesus is tender and Mild in a related but next day experience, yes I loved seeing Mary as she looked when she was older at age 49 and immediately the way she looked and was before she died, Yes The Holy Spirit can descend in the form of a dove from the clouds, I am by no means the only one with contacts like these, rather I am one of tens of millions like this, and I am told of that by one other on this very forum, that this is so. I believe him, and no, I cannot prove he is right exactly. Rather I already proved him right in kind. In the kind of events that happened to me, as really gifts from God, but to use for others and not myself. (I get to watch though, and learn as they are being helped, but usually one by one, and not in any group format yet that I am aware of.)

I also can recognize on this forum, from their mere speech patterns, the ones that are like me in this way.

I have had no NDE's though. Others are like me in one way or another. I have had no out of body type experiences, that I know of.

None of this is from dreams, and interestingly enough, I now have paperwork, in the form of a letter, to protect me from accusations of mental illness, connected to my life.

That letter is from a full Psychiatric profile done, not for being what I am with God, but for the proof of a medical condition I have, which has the possibility of being a mental illness rather than, just a normal condition in some humans. I also, was essentially given a diagnosis of no pathologies what so ever, thus shocking me and putting me into the hyper sane group.

It is because of not being able to hide any part of my life then, from this Ph.D. psychologist, who also works at the state mental hospital in Salem Oregon for the last twenty years, she is now retired in Texas near her grandchildren, that I have the paperwork as she was not going to let me out of her office unprotected and still vulnerable to false attacks against me. Yes, I was surprised she said that.

Having God do things with and to you, is in neither category of your Questions. Being in the Spirit, being led by the Spirit, is a partial category of what I have been more than Blessed with, and closer to my experiences, even though I have and do travel in heart mode, in emergencies or when prompted by God to do so, and allowed or requested or commanded by The Holy Spirit to do so.

In heart mode, I am never out of body, rather I am there with you, and here also. Or, I am there and always with me also at the same time.

That traveling, seeing, touching, in heart mode can easily be confused with things said here as Astral projections whatever that means, but are not, as, I can do nothing of my own will, by choice normally for a reason. I also have no idea what they are talking about, nor do I want to know.

That reason that is so, is one day I did something in writing, that God took me up on, and because of how many times the Bible tells me about my actual thoughts from morning till night, not being good, I have requested of God, that my written contract, that He accepted one day, to allow me the privelege of never taking that back.

It is a contract for infinity and beyond. I have given up my Free Will to God, in written contractural form, and He has accepted that, thus I really can't do anything apart from Him, using my own will.

Yes, one day after death on earth, I hope to not have to use this tool to increase my chances of being right with God while on earth. Someday, after here, I hope to just be doing things right for some reason, but I am prepared for that never to be a reality, and will accept that also.

Because you are new here, I will explain my normal sign off.

LOVE, (My best recollection of the way God actually loves),
...Mary., .... .
 
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So can Satan give us the next dozen winning lottery numbers?
I have been told that God is not bound by time so if He wants He can look to see the future. Science tells me that the lottery is random and can not be predicted. The argument is that Satan is created and he is bound by time. He knows for him "time is short".

We are told that God will remember our sin no more. So does forgiveness mean He can forget or He just removes the effect so there is no longer consequences?
 
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No, there is no out of body experiences. This is just imagination. When you got Hollywood brainwashing about body experiences day after day after day, the public get brainwashed into "group think" mentality.

The prophets of God spoke the word of God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. The prophets were in full control.
 
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Near-death experiences are not the same thing as out-of-body experiences.

Who said they were? Out of body experiences, precede near-death experiences, when they occur. Forget astral projection. Apparently,
it is certainly a feature of voodoo. There is one very impressive video about the son of a voodoo priest, who was exorcised at an evangelical church, when he tried to throttle the minister in the middle of a service he was attending to please his then girlfriend. He was taken on a visit to hell, and after further supernatural trials, turned his life right around.

But astral projection does not play a part in normal NDEs. It is easy to tell the false ones, even if the experiencer is taken in by them.
 
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Divine intervention has happened to me, particularly the near-death kind.

My cousins were going to ride on their quad bike in the mountains, and wanted me to go with them, but for some reason I really didn't want to. Their nagging went on for hours until I said I would, but then hid from them behind a small hill when they were distracted. They searched for me and eventually gave up and went on their own. Three hours later they were back and said that if I had come with them we would all possibly be dead. Our positions on the quad were so that I would be sitting on the left side on the back, holding on with my weaker hand (right hand). They showed me the path the next day. At one point there is a cliff that goes down about 30 meters into a valley. When they were speeding past the previous day (at a dangerous pace for an unstable vehicle) they missed the drop and the quad was balancing on the edge with two wheels on one side and two wheels on the other. The drop was on the left side. Had my extra weight been added on that side, with me holding on with my weak hand, and with the force of my cousin swerving to the right, I would have either fell down alone or the entire quad would've toppled.

Not entirely a near-death experience, but I'm glad it wasn't!
 
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OP, yes it's possible, and one should be prepared to encounter a spiritual world with senses unlike any of the five physical senses.

Those who "dabble" in such things are more often than not unprepared, and often suffer immensely afterwards. It's like a small child trying to fly a plane without prior experience or training.
 
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OP, yes it's possible, and one should be prepared to encounter a spiritual world with senses unlike any of the five physical senses.

Those who "dabble" in such things are more often than not unprepared, and often suffer immensely afterwards. It's like a small child trying to fly a plane without prior experience or training.

True.
 
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Out of body experiences are satanic to the core.
High-level eavesdropping and astral projection can lead to mental breakdowns.

From what I have read...they did not seem to put everyone at ease.
It doesn't seem to be a universally good experience, so they don't
improve ones spiritual life.
 
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