Evolution Exposed

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Great exegesis!
I wonder why you never hear biblical teachers explain it this way?

Probably because they've accepted, without question, the notion that Jesus' arrival in Jerusalem coincided with Passover.

Now, I have to give credit to this exegesis to Bishop Spong (no surprise there) who believes that the Gospels were originally preserved in the synagogue, read aloud throughout the Jewish liturgical year. His theory is that Mark's Gospel was read from Rosh Hashanah to Passover. So even though the reading of the arrival in Jerusalem happened during Passover season, the actual event may not have.

It's possible that when Mark's Gospel was put to writing, the fig tree incident was included to support the tradition of Jesus arriving during Passover, even though the actual description of the event itself indicates otherwise.

Matthew, of course, copied Mark, so the incident appears there as well (slightly shortened; perhaps Matthew didn't know the reason for its inclusion, and wanted to gloss over it?), Luke omits the fig tree, but he also omits the crowd waving branches when Jesus arrives in Jerusalem, thus making the reference unnecessary.

John's a bit of a puzzler - He also omits the fig tree, but he's the one who specifies palm fronds, as opposed to just plain old branches... noting that palm trees are leafy year round, so it wouldn't matter when the event happened.
 
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But He is subject to the physical laws which govern His own dimension -- whatever those may be.



Chapter and Verse? Why are we assuming that God created time?
Didn't Einstein prove this in his theory of relativity, i.e., that time, space and matter are all interdependent? Since God created all things, both visible and invisible from the begining, that logically impies that He created time at that point as well.

Col 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
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He did it as an object lesson.

Didn't Chuck Norris say, "Don't concentrate on the finger, or you'll miss all that Heavenly glory"?


I believe it was Bruce Lee that said that.... As a character in a movie. Still very profound though.
 
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Didn't Einstein prove this in his theory of relativity, i.e., that time, space and matter are all interdependent? Since God created all things, both visible and invisible from the begining, that logically impies that He created time at that point as well.

Col 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


I believe that this verse explains, very clearly that God is not confined by time. I also believe that God can be not be controlled by anything, therefore He cannot be controlled by time or confined by it.

2 Peter 3:8New International Version (NIV)
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
 
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I believe that this verse explains, very clearly that God is not confined by time. I also believe that God can be not be controlled by anything, therefore He cannot be controlled by time or confined by it.

2 Peter 3:8New International Version (NIV)
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
What does it mean to not be "confined by time"?
 
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What does it mean to not be "confined by time"?

To not be constrained by it not limited to its effect. Chronos is the measure of time as the function of space IN creation..m "things" which are subject to it pass from one point through a present into any one of a number of possible futures...all things moving toward disorder (wearing out like an old garment)...God is in the "now" kind of time which does not change in this way...."now" always is..it will always be "now" and in Chronos terms always has been "now"...and in Chronos terms, in 100,000 years it will be "now". But I tell you this...

Revelations 10:6 - ...swear by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time (chronos) no longer...

yes one day Chronos (what you would call time in the physical sense) will no longer be...there will be a new heavens and a new earth and all who are found IN Him will be WITH Him "NOW" unending
 
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To not be constrained by it not limited to its effect. Chronos is the measure of time as the function of space IN creation..m "things" which are subject to it pass from one point through a present into any one of a number of possible futures...all things moving toward disorder (wearing out like an old garment)...God is in the "now" kind of time which does not change in this way...."now" always is..it will always be "now" and in Chronos terms always has been "now"...and in Chronos terms, in 100,000 years it will be "now". But I tell you this...

Revelations 10:6 - ...swear by him that lives for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time (chronos) no longer...

yes one day Chronos (what you would call time in the physical sense) will no longer be...there will be a new heavens and a new earth and all who are found IN Him will be WITH Him "NOW" unending



Good answer.
 
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God has chariots of fire.[VERSE=2 Kings 6:17,KJV]And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.[/VERSE]
even with chariots of fire still can not handle iron chariot.
 
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even with chariots of fire still can not handle iron chariot.
Imagine a chariot of fire passing between (or through) two iron chariots, leaving their occupants incinerated.
 
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Imagine a chariot of fire passing between (or through) two iron chariots, leaving their occupants incinerated.
“And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.”

—Judges 1:19

Clearly the chariots of fire had an off day.
 
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Why do I bother debating, well it concerns me how religon impacts peoples view on science and how to interpretbwhat ot tells us, for example climate science.
You would not have science or progress without discussion and debate. That is a part of the process. Its a part of how we grow and mature.
 
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“And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.”

—Judges 1:19

Clearly the chariots of fire had an off day.
Was this an off day as well?[VERSE=Genesis 19:22,KJV]Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do any thing till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.[/VERSE]
Adam Clarke's Commentary said:
So these heavenly messengers had the strictest commission to take care of Lot and his family; and even the purposes of Divine justice could not be accomplished on the rebellious, till this righteous man and his family had escaped from the place. A proof of Abraham's assertion, The Judge of all the earth will do right.
 
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Was this an off day as well?
They had better technology. Even though horses were still rather small back then they still had the wheel and the chariot. The horse came from Mongolia the wheel from Assyria. So they adopted the technology of the cultures around them. They had a good day because they were prepared.
 
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They had better technology. Even though horses were still rather small back then they still had the wheel and the chariot. The horse came from Mongolia the wheel from Assyria. So they adopted the technology of the cultures around them. They had a good day because they were prepared.
Chariots of iron were a piece of cake for the LORD.[VERSE=Judges 4:13-15,KJV][VERSENUM]13[/VERSENUM] And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the people that were with him, from Harosheth of the Gentiles unto the river of Kishon.

[VERSENUM]14[/VERSENUM] And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.

[VERSENUM]15[/VERSENUM] And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet.[/VERSE]
 
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Chariots of iron were a piece of cake for the LORD.[VERSE=Judges 4:13-15,KJV][VERSENUM]13[/VERSENUM] And Sisera gathered together all his chariots, even nine hundred chariots of iron, and all the people that were with him, from Harosheth of the Gentiles unto the river of Kishon.

[VERSENUM]14[/VERSENUM] And Deborah said unto Barak, Up; for this is the day in which the LORD hath delivered Sisera into thine hand: is not the LORD gone out before thee? So Barak went down from mount Tabor, and ten thousand men after him.

[VERSENUM]15[/VERSENUM] And the LORD discomfited Sisera, and all his chariots, and all his host, with the edge of the sword before Barak; so that Sisera lighted down off his chariot, and fled away on his feet.[/VERSE]
The technology lasted almost 3,000 years until Harvey Firestone designed a better tire.

If he had 900 charoits, how many did Solomon have?
 
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If he had 900 charoits, how many did Solomon have?
20-40 thousand?[VERSE=1 Kings 4:26,KJV]And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.[/VERSE]
 
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Didn't Einstein prove this in his theory of relativity, i.e., that time, space and matter are all interdependent? Since God created all things, both visible and invisible from the begining, that logically impies that He created time at that point as well.

Col 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
14 And Godsaid, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, andyears:
 
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20-40 thousand?[VERSE=1 Kings 4:26,KJV]And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.[/VERSE]
I think I read somewhere they excavated Solomon's stable. Of course something like that is going to create a lot of controversy.
 
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