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Hello everybody!

There's a few things I wanted to throw out there, and wasn't sure where to tall about them, because they involve so much that it's hard to classify the resulting thread as any one subject. As this is wellness in general, though, it seemed like a good place to start.

I've been struggling with dysthymia, low-grade depression, for years, coupled with major depressive episodes. When I was a kid, my older sister had bipolar and a lot of crazy. My parents had to take care of her, so I kind of had to take care of myself. Most parents would love for their kids to read as much as I did. My mother even mentioned how happy she was, once I got older, that I was a gamer instead of a drug addict. Well, fantasy had become my drug, and I drowned my depression in whole worlds in my mind. If I could draw a parallel between my fantasies, my games and movies and books, and cocaine, then when I was a teenager I discovered crack in inappropriate contentography, a concentrated, particularly dangerous form of my drug: fantasy.

Anyway. I am at this point depressed, 320 some odd pounds. I know what I want to do, because right eating and exercise can both influence hormone levels for better. I want to start eating a whole-foods, mostly plant-based diet, and start exercising with the Primal Fitness program. It's kind of like crossfit-lite. I also want to stop masturbating, as that also affects my testosterone levels. But I can't get started, I don't have a support network. So, question is, anyone out there who would help?
 

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I could certainly give you some diet/exercise tips. The rest of it, perhaps a pastor or men's group could help.

The key with the exercise is to start off slow. Don't try to do a whole hour your first day if you've not been exercising. Also, a walk outdoors seems like it would be a good place to start, as gaming has had you inside much. The full spectrum light from being outdoors will help with the depression and the walking and other exercise will help that as well.

As for foods, in general, you'll want to read labels on any packaged foods you consume, to be sure you're you're avoiding refined sugars, preservatives, unhealthy fats like hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils. Eat as many vegetables as you can, and make sure the grains you eat are unprocessed. Additionally, hydration is key in successful weight management, exercise precision, and alleviating depression. So take whatever your ideal weight is, exchange pounds for ounces, and that's your minimum need for daily filtered water consumption. For example, if your ideal weight was 160 pounds you would drink 80 ounces of filtered water per day, 10 glasses divided throughout the day. Also with your exercise, don't forget you need to warm up prior to a work out and cool down and stretch afterwards, to prevent injury.

If you have any specific exercise/food question, please let me know, I'll do my best to help. Also, I think this is a very good free tool to keep track of calories consumed and calories burned, so I'm leaving you the link: http://www.livestrong.com/stronger/

That link brings you right to the exercise page, but if you look up at the top you'll see a tab that says Track. If yo click on that it will bring you to the calorie tracking page, very easy to use and does the counting for you. You just plug in what you ate or plan to eat, and what you've done for exercise. Very useful tool.
 
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Mood and behavior disorders involve excess seritonin and could also be the reason for your weight issue. Check thyroid levels and get TSH down close to zero with a good T3 supp. Diet should be based on optimizing nutrition rather than choosing plant based as those food choices are anti thyroid. Instead get lots of fat soluble vitamins from animal sources, potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium, protein, and lots and lots and lots of light. If not from the sun, get a 250 watt incandescent and use it from sundown till bed time.

Talk with your doc about thyroid and perhaps a serotonin reuptake enhancers ( not inhibitors ) or other anti serotonins like cyproheptadine or ondansetron.

Exercise should be on your own terms and I would suggest frequent walks at your own pace preferably somewhere outside you love and is stimulating.
 
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I would recommend seeing your doctor about depression and obesity and seeing a mental health counselor for depression and life changes.
Is there anyone in your church who can support you with any of these issues? You can join Weight Watchers in almost any community or online.
There is the Men's forum on this site that you have to request access to.
It has been proven to be beneficial to write 3 things to appreciate/be thankful for each day. This can be a part of journaling.
 
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Thanks a lot for everyone's responses. I appreciate that there are those that actually took the time and made the effort to address my issues. I'm still working on it, but I have been getting out more, taking walks outside and stuff. I have some things in mind one where to go from here. I know there's a lot of controversy out there, but I think physically, I'm going to start with diet. I've found McDougall, which strikes a chord with me, just because I tend to believe that the human diet, Biblically, consisted solely of plant-based foods before the flood, when lifespans were so long that you had to worry about causing chronic illnesses from diet. For someone who could live for four hundred years or so, it makes sense that you would avoid foods that could kill you after forty or so years; after the flood, once our lifespans were shortened, chronic illnesses weren't nearly as much of an issue, since we wouldn't, relatively, be living much longer without them anyway.

To be honest, even having a plan for the next stages helps. I've been praying a lot, centering prayer, which brings in a lot of the benefits of meditation, and journalling prayer, which can bring in a lot of the benefits of journalling, which is helping. Just having a goal, though, seems to help, so to be honest, I'm not gearing for a lot of debate about diet, just knowing that I'm working on doing something about it is great. Thanks for everyone's feedback, and if anyone wants to join me or chat with me, accountability and regular interaction would I think be greatly appreciated.
 
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Curtis,
Once you're ready, add exercise that will increase muscle mass.

For a bit more on diet, make sure your plant based diet contains a good amount of very well cooked white potatoes and eat all starches with fat (refined coconut oil); use sprouted whole grains only and legumes to reduce phytic acid; drink lots of coffee or cocoa with legumes and grains to reduce excessive iron uptake.

Calcium to phosphorus ratio is huge for health and unless you eat well cooked spinach and kale with the juice and eat lots of non fibrous fruits daily, you will have toxic amounts of phosphates.
 
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I have been trying to walk at least half an hour every day. I do want to build up, as I get more energy, into some muscle building exercise. Like I said, I'm gravitating towards the Primal Fitness Exercise plan, which is kind of "crossfit-lite", and stresses a lot of low-intensity aerobic exercise coupled with occasional strength training workouts and high-intensity workouts. Like I said, I'm not here to argue, and I'm sure there are people that know more than I do about all of this, but I am somewhat educated, for a layman, and have made my decision. To be honest, there's just so much literature out there, most of it saying contradictory things, that I've done what most people can only do, which is decide to act on what makes the most sense for me.
 
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Curtis,
Once you're ready, add exercise that will increase muscle mass.

For a bit more on diet, make sure your plant based diet contains a good amount of very well cooked white potatoes and eat all starches with fat (refined coconut oil); use sprouted whole grains only and legumes to reduce phytic acid; drink lots of coffee or cocoa with legumes and grains to reduce excessive iron uptake.

Calcium to phosphorus ratio is huge for health and unless you eat well cooked spinach and kale with the juice and eat lots of non fibrous fruits daily, you will have toxic amounts of phosphates.

Why should starches be consumed with fat?
 
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Starches are best consumed with fat as it is then carried further through the digestive tract intact. Starch granules tend to permeate the intestinal lining contributing to long term emboli and subsequent capillary blockage. This is especially true for undercooked starches.
 
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Starches are best consumed with fat as it is then carried further through the digestive tract intact. Starch granules tend to permeate the intestinal lining contributing to long term emboli and subsequent capillary blockage. This is especially true for undercooked starches.

Do you have any scientific sources on this?
 
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PERSORPTION OF MICROPARTICLES:
Pathologe. 1993 Sep;14(5):247-52.
[Persorption of microparticles].[Article in German]
Volkheimer G.
Solid, hard microparticles, such as starch granules, pollen, cellulose particles, fibres and crystals, whose diameters are well into the micrometre range, are incorporated regularly and in considerable numbers from the digestive tract. Motor factors play an important part in the paracellular penetration of the epithelial cell layer. From the subepithelial region the microparticles are transported away via lymph and blood vessels. They can be detected in body fluids using simple methods: only a few minutes after oral administration they can be found in the peripheral blood-stream. We observed their passage into urine, bile, cerebrospinal fluid, the alveolar lumen, the peritoneal cavity, breast milk, and transplacentally into the fetal blood-stream. Since persorbed microparticles can embolise small vessels, this touches on microangiological problems, especially in the region of the CNS. The long-term deposit of embolising microparticles which consist of potential allergens or contaminants, or which are carriers of contaminants, is of immunological and environmental-technical importance. Numerous ready-made foodstuffs contain large quantities of microparticles capable of persorption.


Med Hypotheses. 1991 Jun;35(2):85-7.
Persorption of raw starch: a cause of senile dementia?Freedman BJ.
Intact starch granules in food can pass through the intestinal wall and enter the circulation. They remain intact if they have not been cooked for long enough in the presence of water. Some of these granules embolise arterioles and capillaries. In most organs the collateral circulation suffices for continued function. In the brain, however, neurones may be lost. Over many decades the neuronal loss could be of clinical importance. To test this hypothesis, there is a need to examine brains for the presence of embolised starch granules. Examining tissues polariscopically clearly distinguishes starch granules from other objects of similar appearance.
 
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ANTIMICROBIAL EFFECT OF SATURATED FATS: ( Since starch tends to feed and promote endotoxin absorption, these fats reduce that negative effect)

Ann Surg. 2003 Feb;237(2):246-55.
Protective effects of medium-chain triglycerides on the liver and gut in rats administered endotoxin.
Kono H, Fujii H, Asakawa M, Yamamoto M, Matsuda M, Maki A, Matsumoto Y.
All rats given corn oil died after LPS administration; however, this mortality was prevented by MCT in a dose-dependent manner. Rats given corn oil showed liver injury after LPS administration. In contrast, MCT prevented this pathologic change nearly completely. MCT blunted CD14 expression on the Kupffer cells and TNF-alpha production by isolated Kupffer cells; however, there were no differences in phagocytic index between the two groups. The length of the intestinal epithelium was increased in the MCT group compared to the corn oil group. Further, after LPS administration, increases in gut permeability and injury were prevented by MCT. Importantly, MCT also prevented hepatic energy charge and gut injuries in this condition.

J Hepatol. 2004 Sep;41(3):377-83.
High-fat enteral nutrition reduces endotoxin, tumor necrosis factor-alpha and gut permeability in bile duct-ligated rats subjected to hemorrhagic shock.
Luyer MD, Buurman WA, Hadfoune M, Jacobs JA, Dejong CH, Greve JW.
BACKGROUND/AIMS:
Cholestatic patients are prone to septic complications after major surgery due to an increased susceptibility to endotoxin and hypotension. High-fat enteral nutrition reduces endotoxin after hemorrhagic shock. However, it is unknown whether this nutritional intervention is protective in biliary obstruction. We investigated the effect of high-fat enteral nutrition on endotoxin, tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-alpha) and intestinal permeability in cholestatic rats subjected to hemorrhagic shock.
METHODS:
Bile duct-ligated (BDL) rats were fasted or fed with low-fat or high-fat enteral nutrition before hemorrhagic shock. Blood and tissue samples were taken after 90 min.
RESULTS:
Plasma endotoxin decreased after hemorrhagic shock in BDL-rats fed with high-fat nutrition compared to fasted (P<0.01) and low-fat treated rats (P<0.05). Additionally, circulating TNF-alpha was reduced in BDL-rats pretreated with high-fat nutrition compared to fasted rats (P<0.01). The increased intestinal permeability to macromolecules was reduced by high-fat enteral nutrition, whereas bacterial translocation did not significantly change. Simultaneously, tight junction distribution in ileum and colon was disrupted in non-treated BDL-rats but remained unchanged in high-fat pretreated BDL-rats.
CONCLUSIONS:
High-fat enteral nutrition protects against endotoxin-mediated complications independently of intraluminal bile. These results provide a potential new strategy to prevent endotoxin-mediated complications in cholestatic patients undergoing major surgery.
 
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PERSORPTION OF MICROPARTICLES:
Pathologe. 1993 Sep;14(5):247-52.
[Persorption of microparticles].[Article in German]
Volkheimer G.
Solid, hard microparticles, such as starch granules, pollen, cellulose particles, fibres and crystals, whose diameters are well into the micrometre range, are incorporated regularly and in considerable numbers from the digestive tract. Motor factors play an important part in the paracellular penetration of the epithelial cell layer. From the subepithelial region the microparticles are transported away via lymph and blood vessels. They can be detected in body fluids using simple methods: only a few minutes after oral administration they can be found in the peripheral blood-stream. We observed their passage into urine, bile, cerebrospinal fluid, the alveolar lumen, the peritoneal cavity, breast milk, and transplacentally into the fetal blood-stream. Since persorbed microparticles can embolise small vessels, this touches on microangiological problems, especially in the region of the CNS. The long-term deposit of embolising microparticles which consist of potential allergens or contaminants, or which are carriers of contaminants, is of immunological and environmental-technical importance. Numerous ready-made foodstuffs contain large quantities of microparticles capable of persorption.

Med Hypotheses. 1991 Jun;35(2):85-7.
Persorption of raw starch: a cause of senile dementia?Freedman BJ.
Intact starch granules in food can pass through the intestinal wall and enter the circulation. They remain intact if they have not been cooked for long enough in the presence of water. Some of these granules embolise arterioles and capillaries. In most organs the collateral circulation suffices for continued function. In the brain, however, neurones may be lost. Over many decades the neuronal loss could be of clinical importance. To test this hypothesis, there is a need to examine brains for the presence of embolised starch granules. Examining tissues polariscopically clearly distinguishes starch granules from other objects of similar appearance.

These studies are from over 20 years ago.

Has anyone done further studies, to determine of these whether these starch granules are present in the brain?
 
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Possibly irrelevant. Today's current (and bad) recommendations are based on studies over 50 years like the lipid hypothesis, sodium-potassium "pump", sugar is harmful. Also, the Italian research in thyroidectomized rabbits as the cause and cure to heart disease was done over 100 years ago and has proven to this day help several people correct problems. Gilbert Ling's association induction theory to cellular physiology (done in the 40s) as a superior replacement for the postulated sodium pump theory is demonstrated in the invention of the MRI.

I invite you to watch this:
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/20...-plant-cell-microparticles-in-urine-sediment/
 
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Possibly irrelevant. Today's current (and bad) recommendations are based on studies over 50 years like the lipid hypothesis, sodium-potassium "pump", sugar is harmful. Also, the Italian research in thyroidectomized rabbits as the cause and cure to heart disease was done over 100 years ago and has proven to this day help several people correct problems. Gilbert Ling's association induction theory to cellular physiology (done in the 40s) as a superior replacement for the postulated sodium pump theory is demonstrated in the invention of the MRI.

I invite you to watch this:
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/20...-plant-cell-microparticles-in-urine-sediment/

Thanks. I will dig into this when I get some time.
 
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The things I'm basing my decisions on are Forks Over Knives, The China Study, and The McDougall Program, or The Starch Solution. There is some really good science between the three, and I've decided to mostly go with McDougall and the Starch Solution. His idea that we are made to eat starches, well, it resonates with my understanding, vague as it might be, of history. It makes sense that God would make us for a simple enough diet, conceptually, one that could be had all over the world, no matter the locale, whether your source is rice, or potatoes, or wheat, or corn, or yams. And, as God didn't give us his permission/blessing to eat animals until Noah, well, I tend to believe that we are better suited for a plant-based diet. I mean, if you could live to four hundred years or so, you would have a longer point of view where it comes to taking care of yourself, and you probably wouldn't eat stuff that'll kill you in forty years. Once Noah comes along and the human lifespan decreases significantly, well, having a diet that'll shave off twenty years of your life or so is a lot less alarming than one that'll shave off three hundred and twenty years.

Anyway, I've started it, I've been on the Starch Solution, plus coffee, for about three weeks now, and I've lost about fifteen pounds, and my energy levels are awesome. I feel a lot better, less depressed, than I have in months, thought honestly, that could be the placebo effect. I am pretty certain losing weight is good for hormones and depression though, so maybe not. Anyway, there you have it, for now.
 
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