Truth comes from many sources

dlamberth · Jul 1, 2015

Masihi said:
The term truth is found in Thessalonians, and many times in the letters of John. You should be able to piece them together and decipher a code. I prefer you deciphered it yourself so that you don't believe the answer that I give you but that you can find the same truth.

Personally, I'd like to see what you have to say about Truth, but in your own words. I'm wondering what bubbles up from your heart about Truth?

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Masihi · Jul 1, 2015

dlamberth said:
Ok, so there's not truth in the bonding love a mother has for her new born child? I don't agree at all with that idea. I just don't know how to deny the presence of Divine Love during those times that I've seen the Heart of Christ very brightly in the bonding love a new mother has with her new born child.

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Id like to respond but I need your definition of the terms Divine love, Heart of Christ and truth.

dlamberth · Jul 2, 2015

Masihi said:
Id like to respond but I need your definition of the terms Divine love, Heart of Christ and truth.

Try using the terms as you think they might mean to you.

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smaneck · Jul 2, 2015

Truth is an elephant and we are all blind men grasping a part of it and imagining it to be the whole.

JustHisKid · Jul 2, 2015

dlamberth said:
Are you of the opinion then that the truth found in the bonding a mother has for her new born child came from Jesus? Or the truth found in the sprouting seed like wise came from Jesus? Or the coming together of the rocks to form the planet we call earth?

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I'm of the opinion that it is love, not truth. A sprouting seed is a sprouting seed. Forming the planet is called creation.

Isaacsname · Jul 2, 2015

Sometimes we don't " find " the truth

We merely accept what we already knew was true

It can take a lifetime or a blink of an eye

ArmenianJohn · Jul 2, 2015

Truth is in Jesus alone. There is no other Truth.

Mediaeval · Jul 2, 2015

dlamberth said:
In both instances the parents are responding to an inner Truth that I suspect they can not explain.

Perhaps we could say that that "inner truth" is the light of Christ "that lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9), enabling us to see as a self-evident truth that such sacrificial love is good and a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22).

JustHisKid · Jul 2, 2015

Mediaeval said:
Perhaps we could say that that "inner truth" is the light of Christ "that lighteth every man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9), enabling us to see as a self-evident truth that such sacrificial love is good and a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22).

The knowledge of good and evil, which some ignore.

bhsmte · Jul 2, 2015

fatboys said:
i believe that at one time there was just one one lord one faith and one baptism. I also believe that a restoration has taken place and the same authority and organization that existed in the church Christ organized has been restored as well. Along with that many truths that have been lost or taken away revealed. But I believe that we don't have all the truth. I believe that God has and is continuing to reveal truths to all of us. Every person that has or will live on earth has access to more truth. There are truths found in any belief that promotes good. All good is from God. I love learning others beliefs because there are truths that align with what I believe. I am glad for those who are mainstream Christian who have a strong faith in Christ. I am glad for those who believe in nature or a natural way life has begin. I learn from all. Where do you think truth comes from?

I know where I would rely to determine what is most likely true; whatever can be demonstrated with objective and verifiable evidence.

JustHisKid · Jul 2, 2015

bhsmte said:
I know where I would rely to determine what is most likely true; whatever can be demonstrated with objective and verifiable evidence.

Many things are true that we cannot even see.

bhsmte · Jul 2, 2015

JustHisKid said:
Many things are true that we cannot even see.

Could be, but I will leave that up to speculation and faith beliefs.

gord44 · Jul 2, 2015

awitch said:
If we're talking about spiritual truth, I'm going to primarily rely on my personal experiences in the pursuit of what I sincerely believe to be the divine. But I wouldn't dare declare it to be the "Truth".

Excellent post.

Mediaeval · Jul 2, 2015

bhsmte said:
I know where I would rely to determine what is most likely true; whatever can be demonstrated with objective and verifiable evidence.

This takes us back to CloudyDay2's earlier post. No one can demonstrate with objective and verifiable evidence that the world we see is not mere appearance. There have been philosophers who have maintained just that, that all is appearance, however realistic it might seem. There is no escaping the need for presuppositions that cannot be proved with logic.

Masihi · Jul 3, 2015

The OP is speaking of the "truth" referenced to in the gospels. All other concepts of truth found in these posts are confusing.
Walking in the "truth" or living by the "truth" is living by the fruits of the spirit such as maintaining ones integrity, having peace, patience, love, joy, self-control, and all of this comes by and thru the light of Christ in ones life.

smaneck · Jul 3, 2015

Masihi said:
The OP is speaking of the "truth" referenced to in the gospels. All other concepts of truth found in these posts are confusing.

Apparently you didn't read it very carefully. Here is what Fatboy wrote:

"I love learning others beliefs because there are truths that align with what I believe. I am glad for those who are mainstream Christian who have a strong faith in Christ. I am glad for those who believe in nature or a natural way life has begin. I learn from all. Where do you think truth comes from?"

Seems to me he is saying he is interested in truth whether it comes from Christian or non-Christian sources.

Walking in the "truth" or living by the "truth" is living by the fruits of the spirit such as maintaining ones integrity, having peace, patience, love, joy, self-control, and all of this comes by and thru the light of Christ in ones life.

And you can't accept it when those who are not Christians also demonstrate these 'fruits of the spirit.'

Got it. Thankfully Fatboy doesn't have this problem.

bhsmte · Jul 3, 2015

Mediaeval said:
This takes us back to CloudyDay2's earlier post. No one can demonstrate with objective and verifiable evidence that the world we see is not mere appearance. There have been philosophers who have maintained just that, that all is appearance, however realistic it might seem. There is no escaping the need for presuppositions that cannot be proved with logic.

Like I said, objective and verifiable evidence, is helpful to determine, what is LIKELY true and much more so, than presuppositions.

Masihi · Jul 3, 2015

fatboys said:
I also believe that a restoration has taken place and the same authority and organization that existed in the church Christ organized has been restored as well. Along with that many truths that have been lost or taken away revealed.

smaneck said:
Apparently you didn't read it very carefully. Here is what Fatboy wrote:

"I love learning others beliefs because there are truths that align with what I believe. I am glad for those who are mainstream Christian who have a strong faith in Christ. I am glad for those who believe in nature or a natural way life has begin. I learn from all. Where do you think truth comes from?"

Seems to me he is saying he is interested in truth whether it comes from Christian or non-Christian sources.

The quoted material shows him referencing the church as being restored and the truth associated with the church as being revealed again. The truth he is referring to is that found in the gospels.

And you can't accept it when those who are not Christians also demonstrate these 'fruits of the spirit.'

Got it. Thankfully Fatboy doesn't have this problem.

You have confusion over fruits of the spirit. They are only Christ -based.

smaneck · Jul 3, 2015

Masihi said:
The quoted material shows him referencing the church as being restored and the truth associated with the church as being revealed again. The truth he is referring to is that found in the gospels.

You have confusion over fruits of the spirit. They are only Christ -based.

Unlike you, he never suggested that Christians or Mormons had a monopoly on truth or virtue.

outsidethecamp · Jul 3, 2015

Satan deceives by mixing truth with lies. That is the nature of deception.

Only Jesus Christ is the personification of Truth. He not only has all the Truth. But He is the Truth.

Truth comes from many sources

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