Why should a Christian be against Gay 'marriage'?

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JustHisKid

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Then you expect non-Christians to live by the rules of a religion they don't belong to. It is no different than expecting Christians to live under Sharia law.

No, I expect Christians to not support it. We should not support or promote the wickedness of mankind. The laws will be what they will be but Christians have NO business supporting the celebration of sin.
 
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I should have stated that a bit better. Civil Unions already have far less rights and responsibilities than Marriages have, with almost none of the inter-state recognition and federal recognition. But I wouldn't be surprised if people adamantly against gay marriage would attempt to take away or limit even the reduced rights Civil Unions have.
You're talking about civil unions. I'm talking about partnerships and corporations.
 
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Should some churches get taxed? Those that break the church/state seperation such as pushing for a political movement, or party/canidate, what about churches that are for profit like the mega churches and so on.

One other reason churches might need to pay at least property tax, is gorvement money goes to keep the church safe, fire departments, plice and so on.

Those "mega-churches" very carefully earn no profit. Where they have businesses that do make a profit, those are so taxed. Heck, it's not that difficult for a for-profit business to fail to make a profit, yet stay in business. And non-profit entities other than churches do it all the time.
 
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No, I expect Christians to not support it.

You expect Christians to not support the right of a person to live free of another religion's rules?

Would you consider it fair if you were made to live under Sharia Law?

We should not support or promote the wickedness of mankind.

I would expect the same of muslims, so you would have no problem if they forced Sharia Law onto you?

The laws will be what they will be but Christians have NO business supporting the celebration of sin.

Do you also not support religious freedoms for religions you don't belong to? Do you think people should be prevented from worshiping gods other than the God of Christianity?
 
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I did not say they generate profits. I said wealth.

Most don't generate wealth, some do.


Mormon church earns $7 billion a year from tithing, analysis indicates

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_...illion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates


The Catholic Church is the Biggest Financial Power on Earth
http://humansarefree.com/2012/03/christian-church-is-biggest-financial.html

You have a strange definition of "generate." That's like saying my piggy bank generates wealth. They don't generate wealth, they collect wealth.
 
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You expect Christians to not support the right of a person to live free of another religion's rules?

I know I was clear on my position. I expect Christians to NOT support laws that celebrate sin. I don't expect you to get it. For God's sake, gay marriage is legal now. What are you complaining about? There are a lot of laws I don't support. Gay marriage is just one of them.

Would you consider it fair if you were made to live under Sharia Law?

I would not support Sharia Law.


Do you also not support religious freedoms for religions you don't belong to? Do you think people should be prevented from worshiping gods other than the God of Christianity?

I couldn't care less.
 
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I know I was clear on my position. I expect Christians to NOT support laws that celebrate sin.

So you would not support laws that allow people to gather and celebrate gods that are not the God of Christianity?

I don't expect you to get it.

I get it just fine. You don't believe in religious freedom. You can't live as a Christian unless non-Christians are forced to follow the rules of Christianity.

For God's sake, gay marriage is legal now. What are you complaining about?

The idea that "the Bible says so" can be the sole reason for taking someone's rights away.

I would not support Sharia Law.

Muslims would. You would have no problem with Sharia Law being forced onto you by muslims?
 
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So you would not support laws that allow people to gather and celebrate gods that are not the God of Christianity?

Christians are in the world but not of it.



I get it just fine. You don't believe in religious freedom. You can't live as a Christian unless non-Christians are forced to follow the rules of Christianity.

What? Totally wrong about me. I'm one of the few Christians who rejects the idea that America was ever a Christian nation. It never has been and never will be, nor should it be. It is not a theocracy. Our forefathers escaped that and we should never repeat it. I do not need the laws of men to dictate to me how to follow my Lord. In fact, they cannot.



The idea that "the Bible says so" can be the sole reason for taking someone's rights away.

I'm not taking away your rights, nor am I trying to. I don't care what you do. I also don't care about the silly laws that silly men enact. I will just not support them. Why can't you accept this? It is what it is. A huge segment of society will never accept it, even when it is law, and IT IS. Why are you still complaining? Please explain that.
 
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Christians are in the world but not of it.

Do you support the right of people to celebrate gods that are not the God of Christianity (which is a sin in Christian theology)?

What? Totally wrong about me. I'm one of the few Christians who rejects the idea that America was ever a Christian nation. It never has been and never will be, nor should it be. It is not a theocracy. Our forefathers escaped that and we should never repeat it. I do not need the laws of men to dictate to me how to follow my Lord. In fact, they cannot.

Then why do you expect people to live by rules set by a religion they don't belong to?

I'm not taking away your rights, nor am I trying to. I don't care what you do.

You sure seem to care that gay people get married.
 
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Do you support the right of people to celebrate gods that are not the God of Christianity (which is a sin in Christian theology)?

What does this have to do with laws?



Then why do you expect people to live by rules set by a religion they don't belong to?

I don't. I told you I don't care about silly laws that silly men enact.



You sure seem to care that gay people get married.

I care that professing Christians infiltrate the church and are outspoken advocates of gay marriage. They are wolves. That is what I care about.
 
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Then why would a Christian have a marriage business where they are expected to violate their personal beliefs?
Not valid, since most of these people have been in business for years. This is a new ruling, it's going to take a bit of time for the dust to settle...and those with deeply held religious convictions are worried.
Will we now lose yet another right to our faith?
 
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Serving someone whose actions you may not agree with is not the same as being beaten, broken, and dying along a deserted highway . . .
And refusing to serve someone on the basis of religious conviction is not the same thing as walking away from someone who is lying, beaten, broken, and dying on the side of a deserted highway. Even if I knew that he was a flaming gay, of course, I would help such a man...or woman, as the case may be.
As a Christian, I am to love them, even if they see me as their enemy, which I am not. I am to feed them if they are hungry, clothe them if they are naked, visit them if they are sick and in prison...in short, I am to do for them whatever I might do for the Lord Jesus Christ. And I am also to tell him...gently, and with compassion, that his sin has separated him from God.
 
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No, I expect Christians to not support it. We should not support or promote the wickedness of mankind. The laws will be what they will be but Christians have NO business supporting the celebration of sin.

All sins, or just this one?
 
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You can put up a sign that says you will not serve black people because of your religious beliefs. Doesn't make it legal.
Why oh why do people insist on comparing the fight for gay rights with the fight for racial equality? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Black people were slaves in this country, until they were freed by a civil war...and even after that, there was a long and bloody trail that led to Martin Luther King...and the fight still rages on. The KKK is still very much alive and well in the south...there is a small town in Florida near Pensacola where you will be pointed to a large tree near the center of town where "we hang n----s". You don't hear much about burning crosses these days...but it still happens. There are places even here near the beach, where a black person dare not go alone, especially after dark, and places where white folks also dare not go alone, and especially after dark. My son had a bottle thrown at him for walking down the street with a black friend. Another friend of mine gets a huge kick out of coming up behind me in public and hugging me...he gets a kick out of the shocked look on white faces...yes, and some black ones, too, when I turn in his arms and plant a kiss on his cheek...people will jump to the most absurd conclusions.
But I digress...I understand that, from the lgbt pov that they have had a long weary battle...what has it been, maybe 30 years? And I suppose if I were in their position I might feel the same way. But still, there is no comparison. It's seriously reaching to even go there.
 
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