Debate: Preston/Anderson vs. Ice/Hitchcock 2nd Coming of Christ

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We are the temples of the Holy Spirit so corporately, we are the living stones which have built God's tabernacle amongst men. See Ezek. 37:26-27; 2 Cor. 6:16 and 1 Pet. 2:5.

But when we pass on from life to life, we enter into the presence of God forever in the Kingdom of Heaven. We have been resurrected from spiritual death and alienation from God which has been the state of man from Adam to Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:54-57 speaks about this, Christ did not ransom us from physical death ever, he ransomed from spiritual death and eternal separation from God. That is the death Adam and Eve suffered when they ate the fruit.

God is never going to resurrect our physical bodies, they will remain in the ground and dissolve to nothing, and remain nothing.

Christ reconciled us to God, in that he now dwells and sups with us. In fact he reigns in our hearts. We are no longer alienated from God because of sin.

I didn't say that God is going to resurrect our physical earthly bodies. I said that once the earthly body dies, the soul who is our identity is clothed with another interface that is heavenly. This heavenly form transcends time and space and we, just like Jesus can walk through walls or even time and space in the finite nexus of God.

The resuscitated form is a completely different interface for our soul. The earthly body dies and our soul leaves it and is married to another higher order celestial form that transcends time and space. That is why Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:47-49 calls that form the Lord from heaven.
 
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1 Peter 4:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 4:1 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Timothy 2:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
John 11:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Matthew 24:37-39 King James Version (KJV)
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 22:28 King James Version (KJV)

28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 24:36King James Version (KJV)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
 
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There are some who say Christians will only exist as a spirit after death.
However, we know Christ had both a body and a spirit after His resurrection.



Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them. (He ate the food, as would a normal man made of flesh.)

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Luk 24:50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
His body was taken up to heaven and he is coming back for us in His body.
Did anyone see Christ return bodily in 70 AD ?






1Jn_3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We are to look for His appearing. When He appears, we will be like Him.



Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.



Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.


Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.


I continue to live in this fallen, sin-cursed world.
I remember my many sins that Christ has covered with His Blood.
My flesh will not break free from it's struggle with this world, until my last breath.

There is a modern earthly city known today as Jerusalem.
However, it also continues to be part of this fallen, sin-cursed world.
Many of those living there are like Jesus, the physical descendants of Jacob.
Sadly, most of them continue to reject the Messiah found in the writings of their prophet, Daniel.

I saw and heard a child crying this week, when she injured her foot.
Therefore, I have to conclude I am not yet in the New Heavens and the New Earth.


It seems that some Preterists have done the same thing as Dispensational Futurists.
They have selected the verses that make their doctrine work and have ignored the rest.

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His body was taken up to heaven and he is coming back for us in His body.
Did anyone see Christ return bodily in 70 AD ?

It seems that some Preterists have done the same thing as Dispensational Futurists.
They have selected the verses that make their doctrine work and have ignored the rest.

Preterism eschatology is proven on this forum to be the anti-thesis of the true faith once given to the saints.

There is not one instance of Christ returning in 70AD from an eschatological point of view. The context of Acts 1:11 is not 70AD and is not the context that preterists make inferences to. Preterists use gospel accounts of the king was wroth and sent his armies to burn the city from a JUDGEMENT point of view. They totally ignore the context of Acts 1:11, by making an inference that Christ came in JUDGEMENT from a SPIRITUAL point of view and NOT physically in a post resurrection form.

The major flaw with this inference is that in Acts 1:11 of the return of Christ no mention of spiritual judgment is ever made and that if we look at the versus we see that it is an appearing that the disciples are to look forward to with great joy. The experiences of the apostles leading up to 70AD is anything but joyful as they all ran for their lives and saw nothing of the context of Acts 1:11 to behold. 70AD would have shattered everyone in this shock and awe attack by the Romans, quite the opposite context of Acts 1:11:

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


The Angels told the disciples listen don't be disheartened by Jesus leaving you, he will come in JUDGEMENT in 70AD, to destroy your Jewish peoples and to disperse all of you apostles with utter fear, so now run along and look forward to that dreadful experience. Is this the context of Acts 1:11?

Absolutely not!

The Angels told the disciples listen don't be disheartened by Jesus leaving you, he will come in like manner, so rejoice and look forward to that joyful experience when you behold his appearing. The disciples ran along being comforted by the message from the Angels.
 
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"are in the negative arguing that the 2nd Coming of Christ was in 70 A.D"

oh my ! I think that means we all went to hell for eternity and he sent me there before I had a chance to become a sinner or a saint! no way , that is not him or his old or new testament fingerprints.
 
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Many preterists have developed as of recent an almost believable argument, when looked at first glance their explanation for Luke 24:36-43.

Preterists say that Luke 24:36-43 was the post resurrection appearance before Jesus was gloried, meaning that he had not yet gone up to the Father to be glorified on his right hand.

The reason why preterists make this claim is that they argue Jesus had taken on a resurrection body temporarily and when he went up into heaven to the Father, he would revert to becoming a spirit and that is what Jesus is right now to the preterists, nothing more than a spirit, a mere thought.

This is quite cunning on the part of preterists because their argument at first glance is believable and many can be disheartened by this line of reasoning.

However.......................

After studying scriptures we note that this appearance is after Christ was glorified and that Christ had already been to his Father before appearing to his disciples, therefore the post resurrection form is not just a spirit but is also a real and tangible heavenly interface/body for the Lord from Heaven (1 Corinthians 15:47).

The following is the proof in the pudding:

John 20:16-18
16Jesus said to her, “Mary.”
She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).

17Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”
18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.

It is after this proclamation by Jesus to Mary Magdalene that confirms that Jesus instructed Mary not to touch him, because he is going up to the Father to be glorified and so for now, she is to go and tell his brothers that he is being gloried. This is the first post resurrection appearance before that of Luke 24:36-43.

Therefore preterists have developed false inferences to deny that Christ has a literal heavenly body, by claiming that he is only a spirit, a mere thought. Preterists refer to Jesus as the memoirs of the invisible man, but never see him as a real person who exists in a real and tangible eternal heavenly body.

My post serves two ways; firstly to send alarm bells to everyone eating up these false preterist doctrines and secondly to expose this anti-thesis doctrine by showing it to be a diametrically opposite doctrine to the faith once given to the saints.
 
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Speaking of Zechariah 14:

  • Zechariah 14:14-21 says the feast of tabernacles would be celebrated after the destruction of Jerusalem!!! Does this mean we are to keep this feast today?

    Answer: As it is impossible for all nations literally to come to Jerusalem once a year, to keep a feast, it is evident that a figurative meaning must here be applied. Gospel worship is represented by the keeping of the feast of tabernacles. Verses 16-21 mean that those who do not worship God shall not have his blessing. It is a sin that is its own punishment; those who forsake the duty, forfeit the privilege of communion with God.


Additionally, didn't the feast of tabernacles commemorate their dwelling in tents during the wilderness?

How would this be manifest in a new covt meaning.
 
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And all those things spoke of the latter days of the mosaic covt and of the effect of the garden law.
1 Peter 4:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 4:1 King James Version (KJV)
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Timothy 2:18 King James Version (KJV)
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
John 11:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Matthew 24:37-39 King James Version (KJV)
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 22:28 King James Version (KJV)

28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 24:36King James Version (KJV)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
 
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Don K Preston was awesome in this debate, he has the dispensationalists number!

Mr. Preston speaks three times in the debate:

@ 1:33-2:04

@ 2:33-3:02

@ 3:29-3:55

The Dispensationalists Tommy Ice and Mark Hitchcock are rather dull to listen to by comparision.
 
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Watch his three debates though, he destroys dispensationalism.

He most certainly showed that Dispensational Futurism is not scriptural.

The 2 Peoples of God/ 2 Purposes/ 2 Kingdoms/ 2 or more Gospels/ 2 plans of Salvation (Grace and later Law Keeping)/ Scripture "Rightly Divided" into 2 Parts/ 2 Second Comings of Christ doctrine is not found in God's Word.

The doctrine has spread like a virus through the evangelical Church in America after John Nelson Darby came to this nation around the time of the Civil War.

Mr. Preston did a brilliant job of destroying the nonexistent foundations of Dispensationalism.






However, he did not show that Christ returned bodily to earth in 70 AD.

Why should we run away from one Jesuit deception and run toward another instead?

Why choose Luis De Alcazar's doctrine over that of Francisco Ribera?



Origin of Modern Versions of Futurism and Preterism

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/antichrist.html


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Watch his three debates though, he destroys dispensationalism.

Truth of Christ is not about destroying your fellow brethren, it is about keeping true to the faith of Christ and knowing that the Lord is a real person and not a spirit in the figment of a believers imagination.

I can say in truth that I have met the Lord as declared in John 14:21. There leaves no doubt that the Lord has appeared to many across the last 2000 years and for a preterist belief system that says otherwise, is based on denying the Christ as a real person in the real heaven.

How could a preterist belief system be taken seriously in greater matters of concern when they have the very basic principle and timing of the passing of the old covenant along with its curses completely wrong.

Jesus said it is finished, then afterwards an earthquake and the tearing of the temple curtains into two pieces. At that very moment Christains can be confident that the old covenant had passed, along with all of its curses and a new covenant of grace was ushered in.

This is the basic principle on which Christainity was founded upon, by that very moment that the Lord said it is finished. Are we to believe the preterists that the old covenant along with its curses slowly faded away across an entire generation, accounting for 40 years lapse in time, or are we to believe that those who died even, seconds, minutes, hours, days after Jesus said it is finished fell under the new covenant of grace.

I can't trust the preterists in small basic matters at heart, so how can I take them seriously in greater matters of concern. It seems inevitable that their position is wrong from the get go.

Luke 14:21
"If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities


I'm sorry there was not a time where there were two covenants in place, after Christ's crucifixion, where the old convenant slowly faded until 70AD, this is pure error.

That is why full preterism or partial preterism is wrong in small matters and their system of interpretation is a huge error to begin with on the basic principles of covenant theology. Two covenants can never have run in parallel, especially after the blood of the Christ was shed on the cross.
 
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Did Jesus return to earth in 70 AD, as Full-Preterists claim?


Full-Preterism is a Heresy Part 1: Pastor Brian Swertley



Where in the Bible does it say that Adam and Eve were immortal?

The Bible states they were made of dust.

How is it possible for procreative immortal beings could possibly exist on the limited space of Earth?

Explosive population growth and overcrowding could not be overcome. We would be living shoulder to shoulder one with one another. Adam and Eve would still be here with us today without ever ever entering the Kingdom of Heaven.

There is no entrance into heaven into God's presence. There is no eternal rest for the living. Adam and Eve would be around 6,000 years old on a planet that must seek interplanetary travel and terraform other worlds in order to accommodate the earth's overcrowding of GENERATIONS of immortal humans.

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The Population Explosion: Causes and Consequences

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Carolyn Kinder




Contents of Curriculum Unit 98.07.02:
To Guide Entry

INTRODUCTION
The rapid growth of the world's population over the past one hundred years results from a difference between the rate of birth and the rate of death. The human popula-tion will increase by 1 billion people in the next decade. This is like adding the whole population of China to the world's population. The growth in human population around the world affects all people through its impact on the economy and environ-ment. The current rate of population growth is now a significant burden to human well-being. Understanding the factors which affect population growth patterns can help us plan for the future.

The purpose of this unit is to examine some important factors about overpopula-tion. This unit addresses: (1) the definition of overpopulation (2) the causes of rapid population growth, (3) the consequences of rapid population growth, and (4) ac-tions and strategies that can be developed to solve problems caused by overpopula-tion.

This unit consists of core knowledge about the causes and consequences of overpopulation, lesson plans, teacher resources, student reading list, a list of speak-ers and a bibliography. Although this unit is intended primarily for students in grades 5-8, teachers in both elementary and high school can use this unit to explore key ideas and concepts about the population explosion.






THE DEFINITION OF OVERPOPULATION
In the past, infant and childhood deaths and short life spans used to limit popula-tion growth. In today's world, thanks to improved nutrition, sanitation, and medical care, more babies survive their first few years of life. The combination of a continu-ing high birth rate and a low death rate is creating a rapid population increase in many countries in Asia, Latin America and Africa and people generally lived longer. Over-population is defined as the condition of having more people than can live on the earth in comfort, happiness and health and still leave the world a fit place for future generations.1 What some people now believe that the greatest threat to the future comes from overpopulation.

It took the entire history of humankind for the population to reach 1 billion around 1810. Just 120 years later, this doubled to 2 billion people (1930); then 4 billion in 1975 (45 years). The number of people in the world has risen from 4.4 billion people in 1980 to 5.8 billion today. And it is estimated that the population could double again to nearly 11 billion in less than 40 years. 2 This means that more people are now being added each day than at any other time in human history.

Looking ahead, world population is projected to exceed 6 billion before the year 2000. And according to a report by the United Nation Population fund, total popu-lation is likely to reach 10 billion by 2025 and grow to 14 billion by the end of the next century unless birth control use increases dramatically around the world within the next two decades.3

Both death rates and birth rates have fallen, but death rates have fallen faster than birth rates. There are about 3 births for each death with 1.6 births for each death in more developed countries ( MDCs) and 3.3 births for each death in less de-veloped countries( LDCs). The world's population continues to grow by 1 billion people every dozen years.4

On one hand, some politicians call for countries, especially MDCs to increase their population size to maintain their economic growth and military security. On the other hand, critics denote that one out of five people living here today is not properly supported and believe that the world is already limited in resources.

These critics maintain that slowing world population growth is one of the most ur-gent issues Those who believe that the world is overpopulated argue that if we don't sharply lower birth rates, we are raising death rates by default5






THE CAUSES OF RAPID POPULATION GROWTH
Until recently, birth rates and death rates were about the same, keeping the population stable. People had many children, but a large number of them died before age five.6 During the Industrial Revolution, a period of history in Europe and North America where there were great advances in science and technology, the success in reducing death rates was attributable to several factors: (1) in-creases in food production and distribution, (2) improvement in public health (water and sanitation), and (3) medical technology (vaccines and antibiotics), along with gains in education and standards of living within many developing nations.7 Without these attributes present in many children's lives, they could not have survived common diseases like measles or the flu. People were able to fight and cure deadly germs that once killed them. In addition, because of the technology, people could produce more and different kinds of food. Gradually, over a period of time, these discoveries and inventions spread throughout the world, lowering death rates and improving the quality of life for most people.8


Food Production Distribution
The remarkable facts about the last 150 years has been the ability of farmers to increase food production geometrically in some places. Agricultural practices have improved in the United States in the last two centuries. Much of the world experi-enced agricultural success, especially in the last 50 years. Between 1950 and 1984, for example, the amount of grain harvested worldwide increased from 631 million tons to 1.65 billion tons. This represents a gain of 2.6 times at a time when the world population increased by only 1.9 times.

In more recent years, the technology has produced a broader variety of tech-niques: new kinds of seed, chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and more sophisticated machinery. The use of technology has made possible the rapid expansion of agri-culture in the United States and other MDCs and LDCs. The use of pesticides in LDCs, for example was expected to increased between 400 to 600% in the last 25 years of the twentieth century. 10

During the past 10 years, the world's food production has increased by 24 per cent, outpacing the rate of population growth.11 However, this increase was not evenly distributed throughout the world. For example, in Africa, food pro-duction decreased, while population increased. And world cereal production fell in 1993, according to the FAO, which predicted a food shortage in 20 countries during 1994. 12 However, most experts agree that there is no shortage of food, and that equitable distribution should be sufficient to meet all needs for the future. Lack of money to buy food is the problem of malnourishment. Pov-erty, in effect translates the world adequacy into national and local shortages. Within households, men and boys have priority for whatever food is available, while women and children, especially girl children are the first to suffer malnu-trition. Few resources are available to women, even though they are often re-sponsible the for food supply.13



Improvement in Public Health
People have concerns about surviving daily living, such as meeting basic needs: food, water, and housing. First, access to safe drinking water was related to the incidence of epidemic diseases such as cholera and child survival. Less than 50% of the population had access to safe drinking water before 1990. By 1990, access to safe drinking water had increased by 75 per cent. But between 1990 and 2000 the numbers of people without access to safe water are projected to increase. 14 An increasing number of countries both developed and develop-ing are approaching the limits of sustainable water use based on their own re-newable resources.

Second, the pressure to provide adequate housing increases as the population grows. More than half of the developing world's population will be living in urban areas by the end of the century. This growth outstrips the capacity to provide housing and services for others. In some countries, finding a place to live is hard, especially for women. Some women and children are forced to live in the poorest community where they are open to exploitation and abuse.16

The priorities for getting rid of poverty, improving food supply, ending malnu-trition, and providing adequate housing coincide at all points with those required for balanced population growth.



Conquest of Disease
The biggest population story of the last hundred years has been the conquest of disease. Scientists have learned a great deal about the ways to prevent and cure many types of disease. Thus, millions of people who would have died of disease a century ago are more likely to live to old age. The most effective tools in the con-quest of disease have been improved knowledge about nutrition, vaccinations, bet-ter public health practices and the development of new medicines.

In the late 80s, a baby born in Iceland was 32 times more likely to live to the age of one year as a baby born in Afghanistan.18 The major reason for this large differ-ence in survival rate is nutrition. When young children get enough of the right kinds of food, they are likely to live to be adults. In many nations the people know about proper nutrition for young children and adults. Unfortunately, in many LCDs the people lack the money and skills that would allow them to use the knowledge about nutrition they already have. As a result, infant death rates and therefore, overall death rates, remain high in many LDCs. 19

The second most important factor is vaccinations. As far back as 1800, scien-tists knew how to use vaccines to protect people from infectious disease. Use of that knowledge has reduced the rate of diseases like influenza, smallpox, polio and rubella in MDCs. Again, lack of resources has prevented many LDCs from mak-ing similar use of vaccinations to reduce the rate of infectious disease and death rates in their countries. Moreover, vaccines are still not available for some dis-eases-malaria is the most obvious example and the greatest concern in LDCs.20

Third, better public health practices-- the germ theory of disease, discovered by Louis Pasteur in the 1870s clearly demonstrated that a person's health was also a community problem. Sewage dumped into a public water supply could cause dis-ease throughout the community. With this understanding, the science of public health was born. Today, public health measures like waste treatment, water purifi-cation, vaccination, and nutritional education are well developed in MDCs. How-ever, public health measures are still absent in many LDCs. As a result, disease continues to spread and cause high death rates.21

And finally, with the advent of new medicines, disease was less of a problem in MDCs because medical science has invented a whole range of new medicines with which to treat everything from infections to pneumonia. In many LDCs, new drugs and medicines are simply not available. 22

As stated earlier, death rates in MDCs have fallen largely because of improved health and medical knowledge and because of better health and medical practices based on that knowledge. Death rates in many LDCs remain high because the money, personnel and facilities needed to put that knowledge into practice are not available.23

Progress in medical science has, therefore, had a great effect on the population of most nations of the world. Nearly everywhere death rates have fallen. At the same time, birth rates, at least in the LDCs, have remained high. This combination of high birth rates and low death rates have led to the population explosion in many countries throughout the world.

The end of the population explosion worldwide will be determined by how much countries invest in family planning efforts to lower fertility and slow down popula-tion growth.

Different populations grow at different rates around the world. This depends on how many children families have and the number of years someone is expected to live. The population of many countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America are growing the fastest, especially where large families are still important. These poorer, less developed countries (LDCs) tend to have shorter lives and higher infant death rates. When couples know some of their children may die, they choose to have more. However, many couples wish to limit family size, but lack the informa-tion and means to make these choices. 24






THE CONSEQUENCES OF RAPID POPULATION GROWTH
Rapid human population growth has a variety of consequences. Population grows fastest in the world's poorest countries. High fertility rates have historically been strongly correlated with poverty, and high childhood mortality rates. Falling fertility rates are generally associated with improved standards of living, increased life expectancy, and lowered infant mortality. Overpopulation and poverty have long been associated with increased death, and disease. 25 People tightly packed into unsanitary housing are inordinately vulnerable to natural disasters and health problems.

However, most of the world's 1.2 billion desperately poor people live in less developed countries ( LDCs). 26 Poverty exists even in MDCs. One in five Soviet citizens reportedly lives below the country's official poverty line. In the United States, 33 million people - -one in eight Americans are below the official poverty line. The rapid expansion of population size observed since the end of World War II in the world's poorest nations has been a cause of their poverty. 27

Poverty is a condition of chronic deprivation and need at the family level. 28 Poverty, is a major concern of humankind, because poverty everywhere reduces human beings to a low level of existence. Poor people lack access to enough land and income to meet basic needs. A lack of basic needs results in physical weak-ness and poor health. Poor health decreases the ability of the poor to work and put them deeper into poverty.

Instead of allowing poverty to persist, it is important to limit our number be-cause in dense populations too many lack adequate food, water, shelter, education and employment. High fertility, which has been traditionally associated with pros-perity, prestige, and security for the future, now jeopardizes chances for many to achieve health and security. 29

Rich and poor countries alike are affected by population growth, though the population of industrial countries are growing more slowly than those of develop-ing one. At the present growth rates, the population of economically developed countries would double in 120 years. The Third World, with over three quarters of the world's people, would double its numbers in about 33 years. This rapid dou-bling time reflects the fact that 37 percent of the developing world's population is under the age of 15 and entering their most productive childbearing years. In the Third World countries (excluding China), 40 percent of the people are under 15; in some African countries, nearly half are in this age group. 30

The world's current and projected population growth calls for an increase in efforts to meet the needs for food, water, health care, technology and education. In the poorest countries, massive efforts are needed to keep social and economic con-ditions from deteriorating further; any real advances in well-being and the quality of life are negated by further population growth. Many countries lack adequate supplies of basic materials needed to support their current population. Rapid population growth can affect both the overall quality of life and the degree of hu-man suffering on Earth. 31






ACTIONS AND STRATEGIES THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS

There is controversy over whether population growth is good or bad. Over-population and continuing population growth are making substantial contributions to the destruction of Earth's life support systems. In the past, human populations have rarely been subject to explosion. In numbers. The powerful long-term mo-mentum that is built into the human age structure means that the effects of fertility changes become apparent only in the future. For these reasons, it is now conven-tional practice to use the technology of population projection as a means of better understanding the implications of trends.

Population projections represent the playing out into the future of a set of as-sumptions about future fertility and mortality rates. More public education is needed to develop more awareness about population issues. Facts like the size or the growth rate of the human population should be in the head of every citizen. Schools should inform students about population issues in order for them to make projections about the future generations.

Action plans and strategies can be developed to increase public understanding of how rapid population growth limits chances for meeting basic needs. The spirit of open communication, and empowerment of individual women and men will be key to a successful solution to many population problems. Collective vision about health care, family planning and women's education at the community level build a basis for action. The creation of action plans help to meet challenges to find coop-erative solutions. Free and equal access to health care, family planning and educa-tion are desirable in their own right and will also help reduce unwanted fertility.

Individual choice, human rights and collective responsibility are key to al-lowing families to plan the size and spacing of their children. It is essential to achieve a balance between population and the available resources. Teachers, par-ents, community workers and other stakeholders should extend the range of choices about available resources to individuals, especially women, and by equal-izing opportunities between the genders from birth onwards.

Teachers, parents, other educators, politicians and other concerned citizens can practice how to make good decisions in everyday life. Decisions about family size, and resource will affect the future generations. Through commu-nity forums, specific issues about the population growth can be discussed and possible action plans can be developed.

Teachers, as well as students can use the information super highway to gain knowledge about other countries' population and resources. Teachers can help students with problems and decision making on a daily basis. The investigation of world population will raise the level of awareness, so that we can learn to handle problems based on data. This data can help us to analyze our situations in a practical way.

Teachers, students, parents and other stakeholders can look for trends in the population explosion. They can hold community meetings at school to discuss how this issue presents a challenge to the big picture of human population on the planet "Earth".

http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1998/7/98.07.02.x.html
 
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Symbol: FIRST RESURRECTION

Interpretation: A spiritual "resurrection "from threatened defeat to glorious victory.

The purpose of this final comparison is not to show a specific symbol - word or phrase match, but a match of concepts that helps us to understand a difficult symbolic message in Revelation. The FIRST RESURRECTION is taken by most people to represent some kind of a physical resurrection from death to life.

Let us look at the New Testament reference first this time to illustrate the usage of this phrase. In Revelation 20:4-6, we read:

"and I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand yearsThis is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them." [NIV]

Here, in symbols, we see the courageous Christian martyrs who, because of their belief and testimony, had been murdered by the persecuting Jews and Romans. This was during the time of the "tribulations" which John and the other Christians were experiencing when he wrote down the Revelation.

The "second death" (that is, spiritual death) had no power over the martyrs, for they were already justified to God. As Christ told the congregation at Smyrna in chapter 2:11,

"He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death." [NIV]

This FIRST RESURRECTION of the martyrs souls is pictured as a resurrection where John says they "came to life and reigned with Christ." This cannot be a literal resurrection, however! It cannot be a resurrection from physical death back to physical life, for we know that the nature of Christian resurrection is to spiritual life with God (1 Corinthians 15:42-44). We also know that it could not be their resurrection from physical or spiritual death to spiritual life, for they were Christian martyrs! They were already alive with God spiritually in the heavenly realm (Ephesians 2:5-6). This spiritual resurrection occurred for each of them at the moment of their baptism into Gods Kingdom (Romans 6:3-4; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12).

This RESURRECTION was a symbol. It symbolized the raising up of the martyred Christians from persecution and humiliation by their enemies to a high position of victory and of being avenged for their sacrifices. This is also, as previously discussed, the meaning of the prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, where the "dead in Christ shall rise first."

Interestingly, there is an example of a symbolic resurrection in the Old Testament. The consideration of this passage helps us to understand that this word "resurrection" can be and was used as a symbol for something other than a literal raising from the dead.

The passage is found in Ezekiel 37:1-14 in the prophecy known as the Valley of Dry Bones. It begins:

"The hand of the Lord was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley, bones that were very dry. He asked me, Son of man, can these bones live? I said, 0 Sovereign Lord, you alone know [NIV]

Now, Ezekiel is told to prophecy to the bones and as he does so, they rise up with a rattling sound. God causes the bones to come together and attaches tendons, flesh and skin to them. Then he gives them breath to live, whereupon they:

"stood up on their feet - a vast army. Then he said to me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off. Therefore prophesy and say to them: This is what the Sovereign Lord says: 0 my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel." [Verses 10-12, NIV]

Here, indeed, is a symbolic resurrection. This raising up is not a literal opening of graves. It represents the restoration of the nation of Israel to its land after the Babylonian captivity. The nation was still held captive at the time Ezekiel received this vision. He was to prophecy to the dry bones. The bones were symbolic of the people of Israel who had abandoned God and were abandoned by him for so long ("cut off). They were spiritually dry. They were in their "graves" - that is, they were in the lands of their captivity. God would now open your graves and bring you up from them." He would restore his people to their rightful lands in Palestine (in 536 B.C.), and they would be spiritually "reborn" to him after being punished for their apostasies through captivity.

Once again, we see that the symbols used in both the Old and New Testaments are truly symbolic - one thing is used to represent another, quite different, thing. We should never confuse the symbol for the thing symbolized, especially when the symbol is so "loaded" with meanings of its own as the word "resurrection" is.

We have seen in this section how symbol meanings can be discovered by comparing Old Testament prophecy symbols (and their known meanings derived from the known fulfillment's of the prophecies involved)with the same symbols used in the same manner by New Testament prophets. We have also seen how applying this method and interpreting the results to correspond to the Roman/Jewish war of A.D. 67-70 brings harmony and reason to the symbols we find in the New Testament, especially those in Revelation.
 
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Truth of Christ is not about destroying your fellow brethren, it is about keeping true to the faith of Christ and knowing that the Lord is a real person and not a spirit in the figment of a believers imagination.

I can say in truth that I have met the Lord as declared in John 14:21. There leaves no doubt that the Lord has appeared to many across the last 2000 years and for a preterist belief system that says otherwise, is based on denying the Christ as a real person in the real heaven.

How could a preterist belief system be taken seriously in greater matters of concern when they have the very basic principle and timing of the passing of the old covenant along with its curses completely wrong.

Jesus said it is finished, then afterwards an earthquake and the tearing of the temple curtains into two pieces. At that very moment Christains can be confident that the old covenant had passed, along with all of its curses and a new covenant of grace was ushered in.

This is the basic principle on which Christainity was founded upon, by that very moment that the Lord said it is finished. Are we to believe the preterists that the old covenant along with its curses slowly faded away across an entire generation, accounting for 40 years lapse in time, or are we to believe that those who died even, seconds, minutes, hours, days after Jesus said it is finished fell under the new covenant of grace.

I can't trust the preterists in small basic matters at heart, so how can I take them seriously in greater matters of concern. It seems inevitable that their position is wrong from the get go.

Luke 14:21
"If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won't be honest with greater responsibilities


I'm sorry there was not a time where there were two covenants in place, after Christ's crucifixion, where the old convenant slowly faded until 70AD, this is pure error.

That is why full preterism or partial preterism is wrong in small matters and their system of interpretation is a huge error to begin with on the basic principles of covenant theology. Two covenants can never have run in parallel, especially after the blood of the Christ was shed on the cross.

I have made various posts (#41 #45 #47 #52 #58 #60 #61 #64 #66 #73) to reject the teaching of preterism that deny that Jesus is a real person and say that he is a mere spirit in one's imagination, deny that heaven is a real place that Jesus went up into and that deny the resurrection of the dead after physical death is what Christains hope for to one day be reunited with the Lord in heaven. As the Lord once said where he is, there we shall also be.

My response to preterists theology is if at the basis of faith is the covenant theology and if they have totally botched this up at its very basic core, then I ask how could I or anyone for that matter trust in their method of interpretations if this foundation to the Christian belief is not found in their interpretations.

How could two covenants exist along the side of one another, especially after Christ shed his blood on the cross and declared it is finished. How could they say that the old covenant mosaic curses continued for 40 years, a whole generation after God paid the ultimate price with his Son's life, so to redeem us by his blood. How could preterists push 70AD as the time where the old covenant was ended and not at the very moment on the cross when Jesus said it is finished. Was the old covenant finished as Jesus declared it to be on the cross at Calvary or should we believe the preterists who advocate that it slowly faded over a generation until 70AD. I advise that we should all believe Jesus and oppose the preterist views as being sensational claims founded on ignorance, in that, they ignore what the Lord did on the cross.

What about the form in which the Lord ascended up into heaven. Preterists would have you believe that the risen Lord is a spirit and NOT a real and tangible conscious person as you and I. Where in all of scripture does it say that Jesus ascended up into heaven as a spirit and that his 2nd coming is spiritual in terms of judgement, with Jesus having no conscious recollection of that judgement because he is a mere spirit who faded in the memories of believers. The judgment context spoken of by preterists was in some reflective mind of the preterist, a mere memory of Jesus as his 2nd coming and not as a real and tangible conscious person, but as a spiritual judgement in his forever departed memory. The preterists look at Jesus as the memoirs of the invisible man, who forever departed, never to return or to be reunited with his followers, his return was a mere judgement in his memory, not that Jesus was aware of what was happening at around 70AD. Preterism destroys the faith once given to the saints because it takes away hope, please don't let it take away your hope and your crown that is awaiting you after your body dies.

Preterism also denies the deity of Jesus Christ as fully God because they regard him as a spirit who departed, never to come back or to be reunited with his followers. This is the main charge laid against preterism by the mainstream church, because preterism strips away the deity of the Son and turns him in the vacated mind of believers as the memoirs of the invisible man. This should be the alarm bell, exposing preterism doctrine. Preterism doctrine regards Jesus as a passed away Son of God and not God, a mere subject of God and not the Creator. Preterism denies his deity by denying that he is a real and tangible conscious being who is our Creator.

Now as for the resurrection of the dead is concerned preterist go that extra mile to advocate that departed believers after they physically die have gotten victory over death because they kept the faith under persecution. Therefore these departed victors let us say are now in the figment of the imagination of those still remaining alive. Notice I said in the memories of those unknown others still living, not that they as departed persons ever realised their victory, because they received nothing tangible according to the preterists after they died. I say what for?

Why would a person go through tribulation if victory is realised after death which means they never get to consciously know if they were victorious or not and it all depends on how the living regarded them through history in the figment of their own imaginations. Notice preterists who represent the unknown others to the first century disciples who have long departed never to be physically raised in their heavenly bodies (not earthy) are considered heroes by preterists. What does this interpretation of preterist resurrection look like when comparing it to how the world considers its heroes. It is almost concievable that the question to how and whether the living regard them as victories through history depends on subjective judgement by the living in determining their status in memory of them. It is a preterist subjective discernment and judgement call, in determining who is victorious and who should be remembered for their bravery as the post #79 stating the following:

"We SEE the courageous Christian martyrs who, becuase of their belief and testimony, had been murdered by the persecuting Jews and Romans."

The word SEE bolded in red is how the preterist SEE the bravery and courage of the departed martyrs of Christ. I would like to point out that the preterist in this manner is making a reflective SUBJECTIVE judgement as to whether the first century Christians were courageous martyrs or NOT, because the martyrs are a faded distant memory of these unknown others (preterists) and this is why the first century apostles died for so they would be recognised as heroes even though they would not realise hero status consciously neither would they know as to who else would regard them as heroes. The preterist only define martyrs the first century church pre 70AD and completely ignore any martyrs post 70AD that have been martyrd for the sake of Christ across the last 2000 years. In this manner they have subjectively with bias selected the first century martyrs as credible one's and assigned them hero status while the rest are counterfeits, dying for a false cause. This means that preterists eschatology and doctrines are portraying the first century martyrs as REVOLUTIONARY and that is why they consider them only as genuine martyrs and not the rest of the martyrs post 70AD.

Preterists have subjectively portrayed and labeled the first century martyrs as REVOLUTIONARIES without the disciples ever realising that they will be placated in this manner as REVOLUTIONARIES. This preterist doctrine now becomes a worldly political doctrine that has its connotations alongside other worldly figures and revolutionaries who have made their mark long after departing and have been placated/commemorated in similar manner in the memory
of and nothing more and nothing less. It is like the way the world remembers it's dead, like the grave of the unmarked soldier as a hero to the cause, ie WAR.

We must further investigate as Christains and to question whether the cause considered by full preterism is actually a form of anti-Semitism based on a hatred ideology towards the Romans and the Jews. If this is the case then it would be quite disconcerting to say the least. Because we are charged to love everyone. I love the Jews and I love the Romans and I don't regard the first century martyrs as revolutionaries but peacemakers who died for those that they loved their brothers and sisters the Jews and also their gentile brethren. I would ask Christians to seriously scrutinise the preterist doctrines and to sincerely question why preterist regard 70AD as a Holy Day in history, what are they really commemorating.

Are they commemorating the destruction of a race of people or are they commemorating the new covenant. If they were commemorating the new covenant, then they should be looking towards the cross when Jesus said it is finished. Why are they not commemorating the cross and only focussing on 70AD, what is the agenda here, please anyone?

We are here to love the Jews our brethren and as one of the men of Nineveh my commission is to serve them by welcoming them back to Christ with great joy. We as Christians should encourage Jews to look at Christians as their life line and not their enemies because we are like the Jonahs of the world wanting to preach to the hearts of the children of Jacob to reconcile them back to their fathers and believe me that event will be likened only second to the FIRST AND ONLY joy of the cross. We look forward to rallying behind the Jews as the 11th hour workmen and taking part in joy when this youngest prodigal son returns to the arms of the Father.

I PRAY TO LIVE TO WITNESS THAT DAY
 
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