How Do We Know What Is Truth?
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Fruitless question as the point is already conceded and you have already made your mind up that it does not say or mean what I would respond to you that it does.
Since the Bible itself declares Jesus taught much more than what is found there, says the Apostles were teaching more than what is recorded in letters there, says the Apostles were commanded by God to go and teach (not write a letters/Bible), shows them doing so, shows them telling others to remember what those people "HEARD" them say (teach) and tells them to pick faithful men to pass those things (they heard) along, God tells them to LEAD His Sheep (teaching would be part of that), God tells them the Spirit would guide them in that effort (preserve the Truth would be part of that), God tells them that His Church (Kingdom, the Body He established on earth while here) would NEVER fall and finally God told them that whatever they bind on earth would be bound in Heaven (teaching specific things would be included in that) - since the Bible clearly declares all the things it would be the height of human arrogance to call God wrong and saying He FAILS on all these points.
To me that is what one is claiming when saying things like;
- "nothing found explicit in the Bible can be considered Truth" or "most of the Apostles teachings were lost or quickly corrupted by men"
- (then why have the Bible explicitly say such things not only exist but are important to faithfully pass on and the Spirit would guide and protect that effort" ,
- "the Church failed and was corrupted by men"
- I will agree people fail - but God said His Church - the Body would never fail
So to me the debate should not be whether something like Apostolic teaching/Traditions exist (the Bible demonstrates it does exist), the debate is where can those teachings be found. Even Joseph Smith recognized the importance of having an "Apostolic" connection to the early Church. To people like Joseph Smith, Catholics and many other groups that believe these teachings exist, it comes from God (where the Apostles got it directly from). Which means those teachings are as much God's Word as the recorded written Word of God the Church preserved and hands down to all.
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Actually I posted that this morning at 7:29 est. Now I am home from work, so like I said, I will tell you.
First off, in response to the 2 witnesses. They are witnesses to the Jews. It will be (the spirit of) Moses and Elijah calling out the 144,000 jews. 12,000 from each tribe.
The man's name is William Branham. We call him Brother Branham. You can google him and will most likely find most places calling him a false prophet. Almost every church claims that. What you must realize is that all of the religious leaders of the day called Jesus a false prophet, too. His ministry fulfills prophecies given in Matthew 17:10-11, Revelation 10:7, and Luke 17:30, as well as the second half of Malachi 4:6.
William Branham's ministry was unlike anyones in history, including Jesus himself. This is only true because Jesus' ministry only lasted about 3 1/2 years. Bro. Branham's ministry lasted many. Most scholars will credit his ministry with being the inspiration for the widespread healing ministries in the late 40's. Folks such as Oral Roberts, A.A. Allen, T.L. Osborne and many more began their ministries after being inspired by Bro. Branham's healing campaigns. But all of their ministries did not hold up to Bro Branham's.
What set Bro Branham's ministry apart from the rest was the presence of the Angel of the Lord. The Angel would reveal the names, sicknesses, events in the past, etc of the people in the prayer lines. Bro Branham never claimed that it was him. He always gave the Lord the credit. This was done through him in order to get the people to believe, thus receiving their healings. He would say, "Now, there is no way that I could know that. That was the Lord. If the Lord can tell you these things that I could not possibly know, then would you believe him when he says you are healed?" (Paraphrased)
Brother Branham's ministry was also full of maybe 100,000's of visions, all of which always came to pass exactly as he said.
In his early years, he had stadiums and arenas packed out with thousands waiting on the outside just to see him. Just like Jesus, who had the multitudes follow him around in throngs. But also just like in Jesus' ministry, when Brother Branham started to open the Word, which is the reason he was sent, people left. They said he wasn't educated enough to teach the scriptures, and that he should stay with healing the sick. But Just as with Jesus, the works that he did was to show the people that God was with him. When Jesus said,"You must eat of my body" or "you must be born again" the majority of his followers left him. They didn't want the teaching, they just wanted the miracles.
Many pentecostal ministers to this day will tell you that William Branham was a prophet, but he went off in the end with his teaching. I am telling you that all the miracles and visions and such were to prove that he WAS there to teach. This is obviously a very short overview, but I will provide some links to a video of him during a healing line, as well as what a pentecostal minister says about him (this man does NOT believe the doctrines he taught, but cannot deny the miraculous.)
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You brought this to our attention, so he must have said something pertinent that impressed you... what was it?
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#1 He did not come to warn, He came to declare!
#2 The Pharisees also had a plethora of reasons why John the Baptist wasn't Elijah, and why Jesus wasn't the Messiah. I guess God have to, nor had he EVER fulfilled prophecy the way WE though he would.
He came to gather a bride to prepare for marriage. His job is over, so he is off the scene, just like John the Baptist said, "I missed decrease, that He may increase"
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There is too much for me to tell you.! I would implore you to listen to him prayerfully and see if God reveals it to you.
Here is a link to where you can read or listen to his sermons:
http://www.messagehub.info/en/messages.do
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I did as you suggested. I read "Expectations". Autobiographic, nothing of a heretical nature, but nothing to say to me personally. This is all very nice. When Peter asked the Lord what John was going to do, He told him to mind his own business and follow Him, which is what I am want to do. 
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He restored us back to the faith of the apostles. There are too many things to name, but what it has done is completely opened the Bible in an incredible way. You can see how every story, every verse, lines up and runs true through the OT and NT alike. I can't say enough.
Let me put it this way:
The Bible talks about "the friend of the bridegroom." Historically, a man would send a friend to a woman and ask her hand in marriage. He would give the parents a dowry, and he would then take her to meet the bridegroom.
This picture is painted perfectly in the story of Abraham sending Eliezer to get a bride for his son.(Gen 24) Abraham sent Eliezer with a camel train load of gift as a dowry. When he found a lady THAT MET ABRAHAMS REQUIREMENTS, he asked her Father for her. They all agreed and he gave her, AND her family gifts. She had to believe that he was who he said he was. How did she know that he wasn't some psycho that would take her into the desert and kill her? She believed him because of the GIFTS he bare. Certainly Abraham's family had heard of his wealth and propserity. The abundance of gifts proved to her that Eliezer was Abrahams servant. Now she follows him all the way through the desert (not an easy journey) and needless to say she is asking him about Isaac the whole time. When they finally get back to Canaan, and he tells her who Isaac is, she leaves the messenger and meets her bridegroom. And He took her into the tent and REVEALED himself to her, in a way that NO ONE else knew him.
This is a perfect type of the ministry of Brother Branham. He is God's servant, sent to find a bride for His Son. God gave him UNPARALLELED gifts to show that he was who he said he was. Now get this! Not only did he give gifts to the bride, but also to the whole family! Brother Branhams ministry brought the gifts back to the church, and it spread ALL throughout. But the gifts weren't necessarily FOR the denominations & orginizations, they were a dowry for the Bride! God is calling out a bride FROM the church. The whole church is not the bride. There will be wise and foolish virgins. They are all virgins, or righteous, but only the wise virgins had their lamps trimmed when the bridegroom came (Matt 25). Again, Rebekah's WHOLE FAMILY received the gifts, but only REBEKAH received Isaac! Now while Brother Branham was alive, he was telling us what the bridegroom was like, because that Truth had been lost through the ages, as well as the fact that the mystery of God had been sealed until the end times (Rev 10). Once WE met the bridegroom, the servant was no longer in the picture. We went into the tent with Christ and he is revealing himself to us in a way that the denominations do not know.
Think about this: the book of Revelation is ACTUALLY called "The Revelation of Jesus Christ". And that revelation was SEALED UP until the END TIME. THIS IS THE END TIME! Brother Branham's ministry was to reveal the mystery of Christ that was sealed until now! (Revelations 10:7)
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I did as you suggested. I read "Expectations". Autobiographic, nothing of a heretical nature, but nothing to say to me personally. This is all very nice. When Peter asked the Lord what John was going to do, He told him to mind his own business and follow Him, which is what I am want to do.
You cannot follow Him completely until you know completely who He is. The Bible clearly tells us in "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" (The Book of Revelation) that His mystery was to be hid until the end time. It is no longer hid, which is why you need to find out what you've been missing!
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I did as you suggested. I read "Expectations". Autobiographic, nothing of a heretical nature, but nothing to say to me personally. This is all very nice. When Peter asked the Lord what John was going to do, He told him to mind his own business and follow Him, which is what I am want to do.
He also answered:
Joh 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
If God sent a prophet, then we better believe on him. It's not for everybody, though. Numerous time Jesus told of those who "it is not given to" and those "who can not hear". Reading an autobiography is nice, but you should listen to him preach. Try Christ is the Mystery of God Revealed. If it doesn't do anything for you, then you have done all that you can! Just pray that if you need this, that He would open your eyes.
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To answer the question "How do we know what is truth?" all one has to do is read the Holy Bible. It is God's truth. And Jesus Himself is "THE TRUTH". Any person who sincerely wants to know the truth can simply ask God to show him or her the truth through His Word. God will reveal the truth to you through the Holy Spirit.
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Then why are there 44,000 different versions of the Truth, when they all have a Bible?
Paul said that the letter killeth, but the spirit gives life. You can read the letters and it does nothing to you unless you have the Spirit to interpret it.
All 44,000 denominations cannot have the same Spirit and it bring them to 44000 different interpretations. So your answer is not enough...
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