A warning to America

Yawn, marriage has been redefined numerous times before this. You lost. Get over it.

Marius27 said:

Yawn, marriage has been redefined numerous times before this. You lost. Get over it.

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God's Word says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Why in the world would you appear to support same sex "marriage" by way of your apathy about a Christian's concern over this decision. The fact of the matter is that condoning such runs against God's Word, and it further states to the homosexual that what they are doing is legitimate. It is another way that satan is deceiving people.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

God's Word says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

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Nope it doesn't. That word was not added until the 1940s and is not original to that scripture. And regardless, that verse includes pretty much every human, so by your logic no one on earth will inherit the Kingdom.

Why in the world would you appear to support same sex "marriage" by way of your apathy about a Christian's concern over this decision. The fact of the matter is that condoning such runs against God's Word, and it further states to the homosexual that what they are doing is legitimate. It is another way that satan is deceiving people.

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I fully support SSM and strongly oppose right wing bigotry and homophobia. Your understanding of the Bible is wrong.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

God's Word says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Why in the world would you appear to support same sex "marriage" by way of your apathy about a Christian's concern over this decision. The fact of the matter is that condoning such runs against God's Word, and it further states to the homosexual that what they are doing is legitimate. It is another way that satan is deceiving people.

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Not allowing them civil marriage doesn't actually stop them being homosexual, so your argument is kinda flawed.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

God's Word says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Why in the world would you appear to support same sex "marriage" by way of your apathy about a Christian's concern over this decision. The fact of the matter is that condoning such runs against God's Word, and it further states to the homosexual that what they are doing is legitimate. It is another way that satan is deceiving people.

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Pauls word says that, not God. Pauls word also reinstituted discrimination of women in the church. The institution of marriage has been a purely social development, it is not a department of the church.

Marius27 said:

Nope it doesn't. That word was not added until the 1940s and is not original to that scripture. And regardless, that verse includes pretty much every human, so by your logic no one on earth will inherit the Kingdom.

I fully support SSM and strongly oppose right wing bigotry and homophobia. Your understanding of the Bible is wrong.

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Wrong.

Leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Thus, we can see that homosexuality is a sin.

What does sin bring?

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin brings death. That is eternal separation from God. That is not inheriting the Kingdom of God. Now, Christ made a way, that if we believe on Him we will have eternal life. Yet, it is a contract, as the Bible clearly illustrates, for what does the Bible say about those who continue to sin, even after receiving salvation.

Hebrews 10:26 -29
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Therefore, you can see that if one willfully sins after being saved, there is no more salvation for that person. In context, this most likely refers to a continual willful sin, since verses about repentance indicate that we are cleansed of sins. Thus, with regard to homosexuality, a person in such a lifestyle will need to either repent (turn from sin), or be saved again.

If you view sin covered, as in the once saved always saved position, consider:

1 John 3:8
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Individuals who commit sin are of the devil. Therefore, you can see that those who participate in homosexual acts are not saved.

Contrast this with a believer who has the power to overcome sin, although they may fall into a sin, but who quickly repents. A believer doesn't make a lifestyle out of a sinful behavior. He repents.

A believer does not live in the sin of the flesh.

Galatians 5:24
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If you want to argue against Leviticus, consider that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. What was a sin in the Old Testament is still a sin today.

Hebrews 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jesus is one of the three persons of God within the Trinity. Hence, if Jesus is the same, so is all three persons of God.


Thus, as you can see from scripture, homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God. If you want to understand the Greek of 1 Corinthians, it can also be analyzed.

Colter said:

Pauls word says that, not God. Pauls word also reinstituted discrimination of women in the church. The institution of marriage has been a purely social development, it is not a department of the church.

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All of the Bible is God's Word.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

All of the Bible is God's Word.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

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2 Timothy wasn't scripture when it was written and it was talking about the Old Testament and inspired doesn't mean written by God. I agree, the scripture is profitable. The church converted Paul's writings and opinions into Gods.

Colter said:

2 Timothy wasn't scripture when it was written and it was talking about the Old Testament and inspired doesn't mean written by God. I agree, the scripture is profitable. The church converted Paul's writings and opinions into Gods.

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2 Timothy IS scripture. It is in the Bible, God's Word. Do you honestly think that God, Yahweh, would have allowed people to be misled by doctrine that He didn't want to be in the Bible? Absolutely not, for God is not the author of confusion for those seeking Him.

1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Consider also:

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie.......

Now, we see that God does not lie. We also see that he doesn't bring confusion, but peace. According to you, 2 Timothy is an opinion of Paul, nothing more. You claim it is not scripture, or at the least wasn't scripture. According to that logic, you could say that the gospels were opinions, since they are in the New Testament as well. Hence, without the gospel, we wouldn't be here discussing this topic. You have to be consistent. You can't say that 2 Timothy verses are not scripture because, perhaps, it was just being written, but then claim that it is different for the gospels, as it seems you believe those. After all, they were both post-Old Testament and were written close to the same time period.

When it says inspired by God, it means that: God Breathed. God, through the Holy Spirit, led men to write the books. It is God's words, through man, not man's words.

Do you think that God would inspire men to write books that were not true, which would confuse mankind? No. He is not the author of confusion for those who seek Him.


I noticed that it says "Christian seeker" under your name. I say this in love, but scripture states that

Faith comes by hearing (discerning) and hearing by the Word of God (the Bible).

Romans 10:17
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You have admitted that you don't believe certain aspects of the Word of God. You are not allowing God an opening into your life through His Word, as you have put up barriers.

What does the Bible say about the unsaved as it comes to understanding the Word?

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God's Word says that to the lost, the natural man, the things of God are foolishness. The only way for this not to be so is to allow the scripture through God to speak to you.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Look at all of Hebrews 4: 1-13
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


The Word of God pierces the soul and spirit. However, those who do not have faith it does not profit them. Why? unbelief.

Coupled with the other verse about the things of God being foolishness to the unsaved who are in unbelief, do you think that perhaps this is your struggle?

God has given us freewill to accept His gift of eternal life. However, you must allow God to do a work in you and believe on Jesus Christ.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

2 Timothy IS scripture. It is in the Bible, God's Word. Do you honestly think that God, Yahweh, would have allowed people to be misled by doctrine that He didn't want to be in the Bible? Absolutely not, for God is not the author of confusion for those seeking Him.

1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Consider also:

Numbers 23:19
19 God is not a man, that he should lie.......

Now, we see that God does not lie. We also see that he doesn't bring confusion, but peace. According to you, 2 Timothy is an opinion of Paul, nothing more. You claim it is not scripture, or at the least wasn't scripture. According to that logic, you could say that the gospels were opinions, since they are in the New Testament as well. Hence, without the gospel, we wouldn't be here discussing this topic. You have to be consistent. You can't say that 2 Timothy verses are not scripture because, perhaps, it was just being written, but then claim that it is different for the gospels, as it seems you believe those. After all, they were both post-Old Testament and were written close to the same time period.

When it says inspired by God, it means that: God Breathed. God, through the Holy Spirit, led men to write the books. It is God's words, through man, not man's words.

Do you think that God would inspire men to write books that were not true, which would confuse mankind? No. He is not the author of confusion for those who seek Him.


I noticed that it says "Christian seeker" under your name. I say this in love, but scripture states that

Faith comes by hearing (discerning) and hearing by the Word of God (the Bible).

Romans 10:17
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You have admitted that you don't believe certain aspects of the Word of God. You are not allowing God an opening into your life through His Word, as you have put up barriers.

What does the Bible say about the unsaved as it comes to understanding the Word?

1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

God's Word says that to the lost, the natural man, the things of God are foolishness. The only way for this not to be so is to allow the scripture through God to speak to you.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Look at all of Hebrews 4: 1-13
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


The Word of God pierces the soul and spirit. However, those who do not have faith it does not profit them. Why? unbelief.

Coupled with the other verse about the things of God being foolishness to the unsaved who are in unbelief, do you think that perhaps this is your struggle?

God has given us freewill to accept His gift of eternal life. However, you must allow God to do a work in you and believe on Jesus Christ.

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I believe the Son is the Word, that Gods Word is living. I see the Bible and its contradictions and errors to have been written by holy men, some more holy than others.

Armoured said:

Not allowing them civil marriage doesn't actually stop them being homosexual, so your argument is kinda flawed.

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It's not flawed at all.

Allowing them civil "marriage" is the condoning of sin.


A sinful land b
2 Chronicles 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Colter said:

I believe the Son is the Word, that Gods Word is living. I see the Bible and its contradictions and errors to have been written by holy men, some more holy than others.

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Jesus is the Word made flesh. Yes, he is the Word. However, the context is scripture, in my opinion, which is God's Word.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

Wrong.

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Your inability to understand those verses is duly noted. Quoting Leviticus means nothing, because we're not bound by the old law and it didn't apply to gay people anyway. You've obviously never researched this issue very deeply, just blindly following some corrupted English translation. Typical.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

It's not flawed at all.

Allowing them civil "marriage" is the condoning of sin.

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The United States does not deal with sin, it deals with law and rights. What you believe is a sin is irrelevant to anyone who doesn't agree with you. You're on the wrong side of history as usual, and there is nothing you can do about it. Move on.

GeorgiaGuyinAtlanta said:

It's not flawed at all.

Allowing them civil "marriage" is the condoning of sin.


A sinful land b
2 Chronicles 7:14
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


Jesus is the Word made flesh. Yes, he is the Word. However, the context is scripture, in my opinion, which is God's Word.

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That's great and all, but why do you think it should be legally enforced on non-Christians?

Armoured said:

That's great and all, but why do you think it should be legally enforced on non-Christians?

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Because R.J. Rushdoony's Christian Reconstructionism and ideas of Theonomy have become the staple of the modern Religious Right. Christians need to dominate the secular sphere for the good of the kingdom (i.e. Dominion Theology).

Because American religion has or nearly has lost sight of the Cross and the Gospel, and is instead an instrument for the preaching and teaching of the Theology of Glory.

-CryptoLutheran

Armoured said:

That's great and all, but why do you think it should be legally enforced on non-Christians?

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It's not in the nature of a Christian to support a notion of an unrepentant, mortally sinful lifestyle.
The problem with homosexual marriage is obvious- we all sin, but such a thing is literally a marriage to sin. It's simply not acceptable.

Crowns&Laurels said:

It's not in the nature of a Christian to support a notion of an unrepentant, mortally sinful lifestyle.
The problem with homosexual marriage is obvious- we all sin, but such a thing is literally a marriage to sin. It's simply not acceptable.

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As opposed to all the other "marriages to sin" that Christians are apparently more than happy to keep legal? Like remarriage after divorce, for example?

Maybe they just think the couples involved have sanctuary.

Armoured said:

As opposed to all the other "marriages to sin" that Christians are apparently more than happy to keep legal? Like remarriage after divorce, for example?

Maybe they just think the couples involved have sanctuary.

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Remarriage is in the same boat. We've known this for centuries, yet it has become the norm to marry and remarry like a pastime.

I have little compassion for that either- a woman divorcing the father of her children for another man.. recap on the Old Testament, one would have been put to death for that.