Verse of the Week - Romans 8:28

Angeltigerr39 · Jun 23, 2015

jsimms615 said:
A friend pointed this verse out to me when I was diagnosed with diabetes years ago. God has used it for good, for my weaknesses help me identify with others, to have compassion, to not be prideful, to realize that this body is fragile and is aging. God brings about good, not that everything is good.

When I was looking for a job back in 1989 I kept getting called in to take Tests.
Some were manufacturing jobs on the line. I kept failing to my alarm and frustration but I kept trying. This happened a number of times. Finally I was told that the company I went to work for later was hiring. So I applied. I was called back time and time again for a number of interviews and tests. Apparently, I passed them. They offered me a job and I happily accepted.
You see those tests I took??? They were like the ones I'd failed so Jesus had been preparing me all along. My "failures" were practice for the job I held for 12 years!!!!

jsimms615 · Jun 23, 2015

Angeltigerr39 said:
When I was looking for a job back in 1989 I kept getting called in to take Tests.
Some were manufacturing jobs on the line. I kept failing to my alarm and frustration but I kept trying. This happened a number of times. Finally I was told that the company I went to work for later was hiring. So I applied. I was called back time and time again for a number of interviews and tests. Apparently, I passed them. They offered me a job and I happily accepted.
You see those tests I took??? They were like the ones I'd failed so Jesus had been preparing me all along. My "failures" were practice for the job I held for 12 years!!!!

When you mention tests I thought of a temporary job I had back in 1995. I tried to get on permanent and had to take timed tests. I apparently didn't do so well, so I never go called back for the interview. That happened three times and each time I didn't pass the test. Later, I completely different door opened and if I had passed I probably wouldn't of been looking for a job. I think the lesson there is that God can use everything, the good, the bad, the dark places, the closed doors.

Daniel2015 · Jun 23, 2015

All are called into this life to fulfil the good of His bestowal; all have a good purpose from Him, to return to His home, His place, His blessing, - life is just the bridge. The purpose He ordaineth is nothing but a boon, His ways are nothing but our bliss; let us just go as He ordaineth, to enter unto His ways, - let us all fulfil our calling, in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, now, and ever, and unto the ages of ages. Amen.

Johnthesupine · Jun 24, 2015

No verse is out of context.
A verse is a statement of fact. If a sentance has been said in the bible, that thought is trjuth and applies everywhere.
like this one...
God never changes

it doesnt matter how that was ever used the thought can be pulled out and applied anywhere

Jesus said to take the scriptures here a little and there a little and put them together to clarify each other.

AlexDTX · Jun 24, 2015

Johnthesupine said:
No verse is out of context.
A verse is a statement of fact. If a sentance has been said in the bible, that thought is trjuth and applies everywhere.
like this one...
God never changes

it doesnt matter how that was ever used the thought can be pulled out and applied anywhere

Jesus said to take the scriptures here a little and there a little and put them together to clarify each other.

Jesus never said that. You are taking a passage of Isaiah out of context and combining it humanly devised hermeneutics. Sound hermeneutics, that is, biblical interpretation, always considers the writer's first intent before considering a secondary meaning. That first intent is only understood by the context in understanding his point. A verse out of context is a pretext for satanic lies and deception. Consider how Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness as he quoted Scripture to justify Jesus jumping off the pinnacle. Jesus responded with You shall not tempt the Lord your God.

unno-Dey · Jun 25, 2015

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musicalpilgrim said:
A good verse to discuss...so does God turn all things to good for those who love him, as evil things do happen? This requires some thought. Turning all things to good...

I am always confused about how the Bible, which is said to be perfect, can ever be hard to understand. Another bit of confusion I have is the method of communication. Why doesn't God, who loves us more than any human can, just talk to us like humans do? God did before, through dreams, direct contact, writing on a wall, and through the completely and irrefutably obvious form of a real human. I am disappointed that He acts like an abusive parent by not ever (or often) responding to us like people and parents do. My mom talks with me of hours. She does not give me a book instead of responding verbally.
Off topic, maybe, but still relevant, I hope.

musicalpilgrim · Jun 25, 2015

God looks for complete faith and trust in him and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

Tishri1 · Jun 25, 2015

Angeltigerr39 said:
When I was looking for a job back in 1989 I kept getting called in to take Tests.
Some were manufacturing jobs on the line. I kept failing to my alarm and frustration but I kept trying. This happened a number of times. Finally I was told that the company I went to work for later was hiring. So I applied. I was called back time and time again for a number of interviews and tests. Apparently, I passed them. They offered me a job and I happily accepted.
You see those tests I took??? They were like the ones I'd failed so Jesus had been preparing me all along. My "failures" were practice for the job I held for 12 years!!!!

Oh my goodness this is soooo cool!

Strong in Him · Jun 29, 2015

unno-Dey said:
I am always confused about how the Bible, which is said to be perfect, can ever be hard to understand.

God's ways are not our ways. Apart from the difficulties of explaining the will and ways of an infinite, almighty God to finite, mortal, fallible humans, the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, to people from a very different time and culture. There are bound to be things in it - like animal sacrifices, religious and cultural customs - which are foreign to our way of thinking and require explanation.
It may not be easy to understand at times, but it's certainly well worth the effort.

unno-Dey said:
Another bit of confusion I have is the method of communication. Why doesn't God, who loves us more than any human can, just talk to us like humans do?

He sometimes does. People have said that they've heard him speaking to them with an audible voice.
But I do feel that the problem is not that God doesn't speak, but that we don't listen. We also need to be reconciled to God, stay close to him and learn to recognise his voice - just as we have to learn to recognise our parents' voices and be able to pick them out in a crowd.

unno-Dey said:
God did before, through dreams, direct contact, writing on a wall, and through the completely and irrefutably obvious form of a real human.

God can speak today through dreams; he can speak through the Bible, through hymns, books and sermons. Some Christians have received the gift of prophecy from the Holy Spirit and can give a direct word from God to someone else. Others have God-given gifts of counselling, listening, prayer ministry, or of words of knowledge. God can speak through these - furthermore, as Christians filled with his Holy Spirit, we can ask God for one, or more, of these gifts.

unno-Dey said:
I am disappointed that He acts like an abusive parent by not ever (or often) responding to us like people and parents do.

God is nothing like an abusive parent. He IS love, and Jesus said that he is our loving heavenly Father; a perfect, loving heavenly Father.

God loves us so much that he became a human being in order to live among us and understand and experience everything that we go through. He came into the world he had made, and was, largely, rejected by it. He is not physically present with us today, as a human being who we can talk to, face to face. It's even better than that; he can live in us if we want, and ask, him to. Of course, we still have to learn how to listen to him.

musicalpilgrim · Jun 30, 2015

It is amazing how the Holy Spirit is able to come into and fill our lives and make Jesus so real to us!

Seek the Lord, while he may be found...

Strong in Him · Jun 30, 2015

musicalpilgrim said:
It is amazing how the Holy Spirit is able to come into and fill our lives and make Jesus so real to us!

Seek the Lord, while he may be found...

Amen!

unno-Dey · Jul 1, 2015

Strong in Him said:
God's ways are not our ways. Apart from the difficulties of explaining the will and ways of an infinite, almighty God to finite, mortal, fallible humans, the Bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, to people from a very different time and culture. There are bound to be things in it - like animal sacrifices, religious and cultural customs - which are foreign to our way of thinking and require explanation.
It may not be easy to understand at times, but it's certainly well worth the effort.

He sometimes does. People have said that they've heard him speaking to them with an audible voice.
But I do feel that the problem is not that God doesn't speak, but that we don't listen. We also need to be reconciled to God, stay close to him and learn to recognise his voice - just as we have to learn to recognise our parents' voices and be able to pick them out in a crowd.

God can speak today through dreams; he can speak through the Bible, through hymns, books and sermons. Some Christians have received the gift of prophecy from the Holy Spirit and can give a direct word from God to someone else. Others have God-given gifts of counselling, listening, prayer ministry, or of words of knowledge. God can speak through these - furthermore, as Christians filled with his Holy Spirit, we can ask God for one, or more, of these gifts.

God is nothing like an abusive parent. He IS love, and Jesus said that he is our loving heavenly Father; a perfect, loving heavenly Father.

God loves us so much that he became a human being in order to live among us and understand and experience everything that we go through. He came into the world he had made, and was, largely, rejected by it. He is not physically present with us today, as a human being who we can talk to, face to face. It's even better than that; he can live in us if we want, and ask, him to. Of course, we still have to learn how to listen to him.

Why would God not just give us the Bible in an unchangable form and in all languages? Why would God's word be at all hard to understand? If I or anyone can be more coherent than Gods' word at any time, then His word is not perfect. Why does God claim to not be the author of confusion, yet make His book confusing at all? Why would I or anyone ever be confused by it?
If God speaks, then we do not need a Bible, as we have direct access to the source. Also, if God speaks, then we cannot block His voice. I cannot choose to not hear. If someone is talking to me, I may ignore the words, but my ears are still picking up a signal. Also, there is the probem of hearing voices being a mental disorder, so how could I possibly know what is God's voice and what is my own? Parents have kiled their children due to "hearing the voice of God," so I hold God directly responsible for not being clear in the way He communictes and what He sounds like and not being hearable like actual sound waves are. He gave us ears that pick up sound waves, so why would He not use them? If God were real and had a voice, it would be globally testified and verifiable, not haphazard.
It also makes no sense for God to use humans to send His message. We are supposedly flawed, while He is not. Why use a bad method, especially when the importance of the message is so high?
So, if I never appeared to my daughter, never let her see me or hear me, and only communicated with her through a book I wrote, that is not abusive? He is supposed to be a heavenly father, yet I am better at communicating than He is, as is my real father, who is not even a good talker! At least my real father responds objectively, unlike God ever has. I cannot question whether my real father exist, can I? Since my father is obviously real, if I denied this, I would be put under medical care! If God is just as real, then how can anyone doubt and still claim sanity?

unno-Dey · Jul 1, 2015

musicalpilgrim said:
God looks for complete faith and trust in him and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

Well, He needs to earn it, just like I need to prove myself trustworthy to my dogs and cat, and my parents and friends needed to prove themselves trustworthy to me. God is no different, and does not deserve different standards than the usual ones that work for regular reality and regular beings.

Strong in Him · Jul 1, 2015

unno-Dey said:
Why would God not just give us the Bible in an unchangable form

He has.
The canon of Scripture was closed hundreds of years ago - no one can add books, doctrines or teachings, or take them away.

unno-Dey said:
and in all languages?

God has given some people the ability to translate his word into other languages.

unno-Dey said:
Why would God's word be at all hard to understand?

It mostly isn't. But it reveals truth about an infinite, infallible, immortal God to human beings who only have finite minds.

unno-Dey said:
If I or anyone can be more coherent than Gods' word at any time, then His word is not perfect. Why does God claim to not be the author of confusion, yet make His book confusing at all? Why would I or anyone ever be confused by it?

He hasn't made his word confusing. We sometimes find it so because we are trying to understand mysteries and deep, spiritual truths. People also interpret the Bible in different ways, and have different ideas about what is important.
For example, some people get bogged down by the creation/evolution debate and believe that if we say anything other than "God made the world in 6 days", then we are doubting the Bible. Others say that the teaching about female Pastors/ministers is of utmost importance and, again, might mean that we don't believe the Bible if we don't believe the "right" thing about this. Sometimes people say that their interpretation of Scripture is the only correct one, and sometimes, it seems, people don't know how to read and understand it at all.

It's we humans who complicate things.

unno-Dey said:
Also, there is the probem of hearing voices being a mental disorder, so how could I possibly know what is God's voice and what is my own?

That's why we have, and need, the Bible. God will not say anything that is not found in Scripture.
For example, Moonies have tried to tell me that "Rev" Moon was the Messiah and received a special message from Jesus saying that he (Jesus) had failed while he was on earth and "Rev" Moon needed to take over his work. They say that Jesus was supposed to get married and start a family, not get himself killed. However, the Bible (which they claim to believe) doesn't say anything of the kind and does not say that Jesus failed in his mission. So, however many Moonies claim that God spoke to "Rev" Moon with this message - I can say with certainty that he didn't.

unno-Dey said:
It also makes no sense for God to use humans to send His message. We are supposedly flawed, while He is not. Why use a bad method, especially when the importance of the message is so high?

If God spoke to us directly, would we listen?
Seriously, if there was thunder, lightening and the voice of God suddenly boomed from out of the sky, would we fall to our knees and say "speak Lord, your servant is listening", or would we write it off as alien contact, uncertain weather patterns etc? If a person doesn't believe in God and God speaks, how are they likely to recognise that it is God speaking, when they don't believe in him.
There are at least 2 places in the Gospels that say just this - that God spoke audibly from heaven. Yet very few people recognised his voice and took any notice.

I would write more, but I am not sure we should be discussing this on this thread - so it could get closed for being off topic. This is for the discussion of Romans 8:28.
But if you want to start another thread on this subject, that would be good. More people may then see it and be able to join in.

unno-Dey · Jul 1, 2015

Strong in Him said:
He has.
The canon of Scripture was closed hundreds of years ago - no one can add books, doctrines or teachings, or take them away.

God has given some people the ability to translate his word into other languages.

It mostly isn't. But it reveals truth about an infinite, infallible, immortal God to human beings who only have finite minds.

He hasn't made his word confusing. We sometimes find it so because we are trying to understand mysteries and deep, spiritual truths. People also interpret the Bible in different ways, and have different ideas about what is important.
For example, some people get bogged down by the creation/evolution debate and believe that if we say anything other than "God made the world in 6 days", then we are doubting the Bible. Others say that the teaching about female Pastors/ministers is of utmost importance and, again, might mean that we don't believe the Bible if we don't believe the "right" thing about this. Sometimes people say that their interpretation of Scripture is the only correct one, and sometimes, it seems, people don't know how to read and understand it at all.

It's we humans who complicate things.

That's why we have, and need, the Bible. God will not say anything that is not found in Scripture.
For example, Moonies have tried to tell me that "Rev" Moon was the Messiah and received a special message from Jesus saying that he (Jesus) had failed while he was on earth and "Rev" Moon needed to take over his work. They say that Jesus was supposed to get married and start a family, not get himself killed. However, the Bible (which they claim to believe) doesn't say anything of the kind and does not say that Jesus failed in his mission. So, however many Moonies claim that God spoke to "Rev" Moon with this message - I can say with certainty that he didn't.

If God spoke to us directly, would we listen?
Seriously, if there was thunder, lightening and the voice of God suddenly boomed from out of the sky, would we fall to our knees and say "speak Lord, your servant is listening", or would we write it off as alien contact, uncertain weather patterns etc? If a person doesn't believe in God and God speaks, how are they likely to recognise that it is God speaking, when they don't believe in him.
There are at least 2 places in the Gospels that say just this - that God spoke audibly from heaven. Yet very few people recognised his voice and took any notice.

I would write more, but I am not sure we should be discussing this on this thread - so it could get closed for being off topic. This is for the discussion of Romans 8:28.
But if you want to start another thread on this subject, that would be good. More people may then see it and be able to join in.

I would be fine with starting a new thread instead of hijacking this one. How do I go about starting a new thread? You could send me a PM about it if you want to keep down the clutter on this thread.

musicalpilgrim · Jul 3, 2015

Do we need a new verse of the week?

Isaiah 40:31New International Version (NIV)

31 but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

Tishri1 · Jul 20, 2015

Oh I love that one !

musicalpilgrim · Jul 21, 2015

"they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint".

This passage, also, is but another mode of expressing the same idea - that they who trust in God would be vigorous, elevated, unwearied; that he would sustain and uphold them; and that in his service they would never faint. This was at first designed to be applied to the Jews in captivity in Babylon to induce them to put their trust in God.

But it is as true now as it was at that time. It has been found in the experience of thousands and tens of thousands, that by waiting on the Lord the heart has been invigorated; the faith has been confirmed; and the affections have been raised above the world.

Strength has been given to bear trial without complaining, to engage in arduous duty without fainting, to pursue the perilous and toilsome journey of life without exhaustion, and to rise above the world in hope and peace on the bed of death".

taken from http://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/40-31.htm

and a related theme from from biblegateway...
Psalm 103:5New International Version (NIV)
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

...faith knows no weariness...I look to the Lord...and soar like the eagle!

musicalpilgrim · Jul 24, 2015

...there is some 'nitpicking' going on here...this is not the place...

2 Timothy 2: 23

Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know that they produce quarrels.

Back to the verse of the week. Positive comments only please

Isaiah 40:31New International Version (NIV)

31 but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.

Strong in Him · Jul 24, 2015

I love Isaiah 40:31.

Years ago I believed that God was calling me to apply for a job of pastoral worker in my own church. I did not believe I would be able to do this job because I had M.E and had been signed off sick and unable to work. Physically speaking I shouldn't have been able to do it. But God had called me, I got the job and he provided the strength to do it. :clap:

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