Same-Sex Marriage: Not Best for Children

SolomonVII · Jun 30, 2015

Armoured said:
I'm not suggesting he be against single parent homes. I'm just asking anyone to explain how you can be OK with single parent homes, if the idea of having two opposite sex parents is so important?

Well if you are not suggesting he be against single parent homes, do you want him to change his position to match your own in order for him to be more consistent with your logical processes?

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

SolomonVII said:
Well if you are not suggesting he be against single parent homes, do you want him to change his position to match your own in order for him to be more consistent with your logical processes?

Again, stop trying to make this about me. There's an obvious inconsistency in the stated position you are standing by. YOU explain it.

Archaeopteryx · Jun 30, 2015

SolomonVII said:
It completely warps the meaning of marriage. And whether or not it matters, that definition was warped to accomadate one percent. Ebia always make the point that it is such a trivial number to concern ourselves with, and I agree with that.
But enough of that.

If marriage is defined as the union of two persons who are deeply and lovingly committed to one another, then it is emblematic of marriage, and not a spurious redefinition. The only thing that has changed is that same-sex unions now have the same legal recognition as opposite-sex ones.

SolomonVII · Jun 30, 2015

Armoured said:
I'm not suggesting he be against single parent homes. I'm just asking anyone to explain how you can be OK with single parent homes, if the idea of having two opposite sex parents is so important?

Well if you are not suggesting that he be against single parent homes, don't suggest that the rest of us ought to be against single parent homes either, on account that we take his words seriously.
Are you familiar with the term 'broken home', or tragedy? It is enough to feel empathy for the great loss experienced by those whose lives have been struck by the disaster of the loss of the presence of a mother or a father without adding to the tragedy by exhorting against the parent that is left to do with the tragedy on his or her own.
It would be a cruel and heartless thing to do to being exhorting against the parent that has been left behind to pick of the pieces of her broken life.
I don't think we need to make things worse by doing that.

And neither would the pope. Others here may exhort against him as a part of a child molesting regime, but I don't think that we need to cast him in the worst possible light on their account. The pope taking the position he does on family and not exhorting against single family tragedies does not make him inconsistent. He is not a monster. That is why he doesn't.

SolomonVII · Jun 30, 2015

Armoured said:
Again, stop trying to make this about me. There's an obvious inconsistency in the stated position you are standing by. YOU explain it.

No. Stop making it about me. I am the simple messenger of what the pope said. You explain why you think it was such a problematic thing for him to say.
I am not creating the news of what the pope said. I am simply reporting it. Your problem is not with me. It is with the pope.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

SolomonVII said:
Well if you are not suggesting that he be against single parent homes, don't suggest that the rest of us ought to be against single parent homes either, on account that we take his words seriously.
Are you familiar with the term 'broken home', or tragedy? It is enough to feel empathy for the great loss experienced by those whose lives have been struck by the disaster of the loss of the presence of a mother or a father without adding to the tragedy by exhorting against the parent that is left to do with the tragedy on his or her own.
It would be a cruel and heartless thing to do to being exhorting against the parent that has been left behind to pick of the pieces of her broken life.
I don't think we need to make things worse by doing that.

And neither would the pope. Others here may exhort against him as a part of a child molesting regime, but I don't think that we need to cast him in the worst possible light on their account. The pope taking the position he does on family and not exhorting against single family tragedies does not make him inconsistent. He is not a monster. That is why he doesn't.

tl:dr? "blah blah blah, no I can't explain the obvious inconsistency"

SolomonVII · Jun 30, 2015

Armoured said:
tl:dr? "blah blah blah, no I can't explain the obvious inconsistency"

Fair enough.
You have difficulty with the pope's message in this regard.
While your post is rather incoherent otherwise, that much came through clear enough.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

SolomonVII said:
Fair enough.
You have difficulty with the pope's message in this regard.
While your post is rather incoherent otherwise, that much came through clear enough.

And still you haven't even attempted to explain the inconsistency in your position. Noted.

SolomonVII · Jun 30, 2015

Armoured said:
And still you haven't even attempted to explain the inconsistency in your position. Noted.

Again. I am only the messenger.
This is the pope's position.
I never owned it in this thread. It is not mine. It is his position.

But I sure did give a pretty clear explanation of how I can think he is not a knucklehead for having such a position anyway.

To which you replied blah blah blah.
hey I certainly can't argue with that kind of logic. Blah, blah, blah is a very good summary of your position, as far as I am concerned.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

LoAmmi said:
Ok.. I still fail to see the relevance.

The problem with your article is that a man married to a woman who has never had an adult same-sex relationship could be the abuser which doesn't help the argument that a man and a woman is the best arrangement to avoid abuse. I'm not saying that a man and a woman isn't the best arrangement, but the data presented is avoiding the fact that most abusers aren't going to be two homosexual men in an exclusive relationship.

Where did i say a relationship was a way to avoid abuse?
In fact - as an example - pedophiles seek out single mothers in order to gain trust of their children.
So if a hetero can have a relationship with a woman and still procreate and have relations with a woman - so can homosexuals have relations with a consenting adult while still wanting children.

BUT the incidence of homosexuals going after young boys is greater than hetero's going after a girl.
Look at the numbers.
If 1-3% of the population does 1/3 of the crime - that means the vast many of homosexuals will partake.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

SolomonVII said:
Again. I am only the messenger.
This is the pope's position.
I never owned it in this thread. It is not mine. It is his position.

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Truth

LoAmmi · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
Where did i say a relationship was a way to avoid abuse?
In fact - as an example - pedophiles seek out single mothers in order to gain trust of their children.
So if a hetero can have a relationship with a woman and still procreate and have relations with a woman - so can homosexuals have relations with a consenting adult while still wanting children.

BUT the incidence of homosexuals going after young boys is greater than hetero's going after a girl.
Look at the numbers.
If 1-3% of the population does 1/3 of the crime - that means the vast many of homosexuals will partake.

I'm sorry, but if you extend "homosexual" to mean men who abuse boys, I think the number grows much higher than 1-3%. This article wants to have its cake and eat it too. Limit the definition to reduce the percentage but then expand it to make it seem like it covers more. One or the other. I don't personally put men who abuse children in the homosexual or heterosexual categories for their abuse because they are criminals who are abusing children.

I don't put male rapists in prisons in the homosexual category either, just for the record.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

LoAmmi said:
I'm sorry, but if you extend "homosexual" to mean men who abuse boys, I think the number grows much higher than 1-3%. This article wants to have its cake and eat it too. Limit the definition to reduce the percentage but then expand it to make it seem like it covers more. One or the other. I don't personally put men who abuse children in the homosexual or heterosexual categories for their abuse because they are criminals who are abusing children.

I don't put male rapists in prisons in the homosexual category either, just for the record.

Male rapists in jail are not even in a category - they are hetero using one another to mete their needs and showing dominance too.

And again - homosexual groups have been and are rallying to be able to have sex with children - even suggesting the boys want it.
You heard of Nambla?
Well, other groups advocating the same crap are out there.

I knew of a homosexual male who liked males at any age.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

Let me reiterate something about the male homosexual - he was married to a woman - they had a son - he was grooming his own son towards a sexual relationship.
His wife found out and made sure he was not able to have his son [they divorced] in his presence.

This same male preferred younger - but the age group for him was 30 or under...way under. Like 5 year olds too.

LoAmmi · Jun 30, 2015

Stupid groups have rallied for stupid things all the time. How many people are actually in NAMBLA? You got numbers? Because if we're going to start judging larger groups by smaller fringe ones, why do Christians picket funerals with signs about who G-d hates? See, I wouldn't do that because I realize it's a tiny group of people doing that insanity and not Christians in general. But, again, keep your narrative that homosexuals go after boys if you want. Doesn't really matter. It's a relic of a view that will go away next generation.

Archaeopteryx · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
And again - homosexual groups have been and are rallying to be able to have sex with children - even suggesting the boys want it.
You heard of Nambla?

Are you suggesting that NAMBLA represents the majority of people who are gay?

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
Are you suggesting that NAMBLA represents the majority of people who are gay?

That's what the usual suspects would like you to believe, and probably what they like to believe, too.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

SolomonVII said:
Again. I am only the messenger.
This is the pope's position.
I never owned it in this thread. It is not mine. It is his position.

But I sure did give a pretty clear explanation of how I can think he is not a knucklehead for having such a position anyway.

To which you replied blah blah blah.
hey I certainly can't argue with that kind of logic. Blah, blah, blah is a very good summary of your position, as far as I am concerned.

And still you haven't even attempted to explain the inconsistency in your position. Noted.

frenchdefense · Jun 30, 2015

Homosexuals as child molesters
Homosexual marriage as a destabling to society
Marriage as only for procreation
Homosexual marriage being forced on religion
Homosexual recruiting young people because the can't reproduce

All arguments dismissed, discredited and debunked years (yes years) ago.

Now they're back.

Guys, they were unconvincing then, they're uncompelling now ....

.....and they're still untrue.

But this time around everyone knows they're untrue and pushing the bounds of false witness.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

frenchdefense said:
pushing the bounds of false witness.

More like "text book definition of", IMHO.

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