Assume two things with me... Evolution is not a lie, AND the Bible is not a lie...

Isaacsname · Jun 29, 2015

Yup

Let's not side step the point

Only Jesus would know the objective truths of the scriptures

QED

If you'd like to argue that, explain why you, or anybody else would have equal standing with Christ in these matters

AV1611VET · Jun 29, 2015

Isaacsname said:
If you'd like to argue that, explain why you, or anybody else would have equal standing with Christ in these matters

I could be wrong in a lot of stuff I say.

But there's a lot of stuff I say that I'm not wrong about, either.

We don't study the Bible just so we can sit around and say, "I think what this is saying is..."

How about explaining where you got the idea: "willing to admit one could be wrong" equates to "they are wrong," please?

Or are you willing to admit that's wrong?

Can you take your own medicine?

Isaacsname · Jun 29, 2015

Take my own medicine ?

Until my miracle healing from brain cancer 3+ years ago, I had never even read the Bible, nor did I have any interest in God

So, not only was I wrong, I was ignorant as well

Would you like any other confessions ?

AV1611VET · Jun 29, 2015

Isaacsname said:
Would you like any other confessions ?

Yes ... how about actually addressing what I was referring to?

You know?

Post 40?

And since Cearbhall liked it, he can do the same.

But I won't hold my breath.[VERSE=Romans 2:1,KJV]Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.[/VERSE]

HitchSlap · Jun 29, 2015

Isaacsname said:
Take my own medicine ?

Until my miracle healing from brain cancer 3+ years ago, I had never even read the Bible, nor did I have any interest in God

So, not only was I wrong, I was ignorant as well

Would you like any other confessions ?

OldWiseGuy · Jun 29, 2015

The Cadet said:
Why would you do that?! Most of the people here are not experts on any given subject; we're laypeople, just like you. I have very little understanding of the nitty-gritty of population genetics and how mutations in the individual propagate to the entire population. Even assuming we do have some bona-fide experts (as RickG, sfs, and [serious] claim to be), not everyone knows everything, and assuming that any given person on a Christian forum is totally correct is a ridiculous thing to do. You want to understand evolution? You really ought to reach for those science books.

Perhaps you don't fully grasp how arguments are conducted here. Even seemingly good scholarship is rejected routinely. It's usually both sides tossing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Isaacsname · Jun 29, 2015

Wow, could you be more vague ?

If you have issue with what I said, highlight a sentence and let's go from there

Isaacsname · Jun 29, 2015

Hahaha, I've seen that before.

I don't however believe that God made me sick, that was probably from chain smoking non-filtered cigarettes for 25+ years, working with volatile chemicals and doing drugs

Just a hunch though

AV1611VET · Jun 29, 2015

Isaacsname said:
If you have issue with what I said, highlight a sentence and let's go from there

I did highlight it -- in red -- when I wrote it.

Post 41 please.

I'll tell you what, Isaac:

Rather than play games with you, I'll just take what you said with a grain of salt and let it go at that.

Have a good day.

Isaacsname · Jun 29, 2015

You do the same

OldWiseGuy · Jun 29, 2015

Cearbhall said:
If I may ask, what about evolution is unsatisfactory to you?

My best answer would be the utter impossibility of evolution, as it is presented by science, happening at all. Things just don't build themselves.

The Cadet · Jun 29, 2015

Cearbhall said:
I think you would be very interested in reading about "Y-chromosomal Adam."

It's perhaps important to note that Y-chromosomal Adam is not the same person from generation to generation.

OldWiseGuy said:
Perhaps you don't fully grasp how arguments are conducted here. Even seemingly good scholarship is rejected routinely. It's usually both sides tossing stuff at the wall and hoping it sticks.

Yes, good scholarship is routinely rejected. Hell, Lifepsyop has a 70-page thread on how the massive interdisciplinary scientific consensus doesn't matter.

dad · Jun 30, 2015

The Cadet said:
It's perhaps important to note that Y-chromosomal Adam is not the same person from generation to generation.

Can you show us how we know Adam was Y chromosome? Not that I doubt it...

dad · Jun 30, 2015

Isaacsname said:
Yup, but you probably won't find many people willing to admit they could be wrong about their interpretations of the story in Genesis

That would mean they are wrong, and only Jesus is never wrong,..so that must mean.....oh....wait

So what interpretation of the obvious should we have?

Neogaia777 · Jun 30, 2015

dad said:
So what interpretation of the obvious should we have?

The Bible is meant to be mysterious not obvious, there are some obvious truths in it, but it is also the "infinite mystery" the reason for the mystery is because nothing attracts human beings more than a good mystery, and to solve these mysteries oftentimes means interpreting things spiritually, and using spiritual (which is an unknown to me "something" other than literal), anyways, "spiritual" (not literal or earthly) discernment to find the deeper meaning(s)...

God Bless!

The Cadet · Jun 30, 2015

dad said:
Can you show us how we know Adam was Y chromosome? Not that I doubt it...

...Do you even know what "Y-chromosomal Adam" means in scientific parlance? It ain't referring to a naked dude in a garden.

dad · Jun 30, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
The Bible is meant to be mysterious not obvious, there are some obvious truths in it, but it is also the "infinite mystery" the reason for the mystery is because nothing attracts human beings more than a good mystery, and to solve these mysteries oftentimes means interpreting things spiritually, and using spiritual (which is an unknown to me "something" other than literal), anyways, "spiritual" (not literal or earthly) discernment to find the deeper meaning(s)...

God Bless!

Jesus said that He would reveal His words and Himself to us actually. The dark cloudiness is not needed.

dad · Jun 30, 2015

The Cadet said:
...Do you even know what "Y-chromosomal Adam" means in scientific parlance? It ain't referring to a naked dude in a garden.

Ah, right. Well, I suggest that whatever it refers to is post flood. Heehee

Cearbhall · Jun 30, 2015

OldWiseGuy said:
My best answer would be the utter impossibility of evolution, as it is presented by science, happening at all. Things just don't build themselves.

And you really think that over 95% of scientists would agree with it if it were that flimsy? It boggles my mind that people think that those who haven't studied it are the ones who know better, when they really just don't understand it.

Evolution does not, in any way, suggest that things build themselves. I already said that it's just a name for genetic mutations.

OldWiseGuy · Jun 30, 2015

Cearbhall said:
And you really think that over 95% of scientists would agree with it if it were that flimsy? It boggles my mind that people think that those who haven't studied it are the ones who know better, when they really just don't understand it.

Evolution does not, in any way, suggest that things build themselves. I already said that it's just a name for genetic mutations.

I have no problem with some genetic mutations within a species, but not to the extent that a whole different creature is formed by it. I also don't believe 'mutation' can account for the incredible variety and complexity of interdependent organisms.

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