Same-Sex Marriage: Not Best for Children

WarriorAngel · Jun 29, 2015

ebia said:
It's not almost all, and there seems to be a reporting a being believed issue when it comes to female abusers, so it's not at all clear what the real proportion is.

So at least two-thirds of the victims are girls.

You can't refute a study by saying "studies". Different studies have different estimates.

Citation of the exact study and detail of the actually finding made needed here.

Nutters exist, even dangerous ones. Your point?

And hetrosexual erotic culture.

See above.
(Repeating something doesn't make it more true)

You skipped the part where 1-3% are homosexual - so if 1/3 of the crime of pedophilia is from homosexual men - that's quite a LOT when you compare 97% to 3% doing the crimes.

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

In fact, reading the footnotes carefully without actually even going to the articles cited reveals that the actual citations don't say what they are being used to say, and a lot of what are being called "studies" are actually essays, books and opinions.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
You skipped the part where 1-3% are homosexual - so if 1/3 of the crime of pedophilia is from homosexual men - that's quite a LOT when you compare 97% to 3% doing the crimes.

Still no citation, I see.

LoAmmi · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
I have another very serious concern....about two men raising children [especially boys]
See below:

Pedophiles are invariably males: Almost all sex crimes against children are committed by men.

Significant numbers of victims are males: Up to one-third of all sex crimes against children are committed against boys (as opposed to girls).

The 10 percent fallacy: Studies indicate that, contrary to the inaccurate but widely accepted claims of sex researcher Alfred Kinsey, homosexuals comprise between 1 to 3 percent of the population.

Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.

Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

Pedophile themes abound in homosexual literary culture: Gay fiction as well as serious academic treatises promote "intergenerational intimacy."

MALE HOMOSEXUALS COMMIT A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF CHILD SEX ABUSE CASES

Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.

The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=is02e3

From your article:
A male "homosexual pedophile," then, is defined as someone who is generally (but not exclusively, see below) sexually attracted to boys, while a female "homosexual pedophile" is sexually attracted to girls

So a married to a woman man that has never had an adult same sex relationship who abuses a boy would fall under this definition. Seems like the data suggests that, absurdly, all male children should be raised by lesbian couples to avoid abuse.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

ebia said:
In fact, reading the footnotes carefully without actually even going to the articles cited reveals that the actual citations don't say what they are being used to say, and a lot of what are being called "studies" are actually essays, books and opinions.

But hey, what's a worse sin, homosexuality, or false witness? Ends justify the means, and all that. We got us some gays to vilify, stop splitting hairs over minor "facts"

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
You skipped the part where 1-3% are homosexual - so if 1/3 of the crime of pedophilia is from homosexual men - that's quite a LOT when you compare 97% to 3% doing the crimes.

Ur, you're assuming that a man abusing a boy is homosexual.

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

I presume, btw, that to foster or adopt there are at least the kinds of checks we expect for teachers, priests, others who work closely with children.

Last time I looked, medical science wasn't able to give two men a child.

So that checking, which normal parents don't go through, most likely makes male gay parents much safer, not less safe, than the normal population.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

ebia said:
Ur, you're assuming that a man abusing a boy is homosexual.

It states that they are. No assumptions needed.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

ebia said:
I presume, btw, that to foster or adopt there are at least the kinds of checks we expect for teachers, priests, others who work closely with children.

Last time I looked, medical science wasn't able to give two men a child.

So that checking, which normal parents don't go through, most likely makes male gay parents much safer, not less safe, than the normal population.

That does not mean:
1) It cant happen eventually
2) Adoption does happen [ergo why Catholic adoption agencies closed] and definitely will happen esp with SSM being a "right".

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

LoAmmi said:
From your article:
A male "homosexual pedophile," then, is defined as someone who is generally (but not exclusively, see below) sexually attracted to boys, while a female "homosexual pedophile" is sexually attracted to girls

So a married to a woman man that has never had an adult same sex relationship who abuses a boy would fall under this definition. Seems like the data suggests that, absurdly, all male children should be raised by lesbian couples to avoid abuse.

Reread it - carefully.
Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
It states that they are. No assumptions needed.

What states that they are?

Homosexuality is normally taken to mean sexually attracted to adults of the same sex.

Being attracted to children is quite a different matter. And having same-sex-sex doesn't make you homosexual (nor does having hetrosexual sex make you a hetrosexual).

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
Reread it - carefully.
Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

Nutters exist. What of it.

LoAmmi · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
Reread it - carefully.
Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

How does that address what I said in the slightest way?

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

LoAmmi said:
How does that address what I said in the slightest way?

I have no record of the female homosexual numbers in pedophilia.

WarriorAngel · Jun 30, 2015

ebia said:
What states that they are?

Homosexuality is normally taken to mean sexually attracted to adults of the same sex.

Being attracted to children is quite a different matter. And having same-sex-sex doesn't make you homosexual (nor does having hetrosexual sex make you a hetrosexual).

And for a different reason i will post this quote again.

Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
I have no record of the female homosexual numbers in pedophilia.

And....?

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
And for a different reason i will post this quote again.

Some homosexual activists defend the historic connection between homosexuality and pedophilia: Such activists consider the defense of "boy-lovers" to be a legitimate gay rights issue.

You keep quoting it, but nobody knows why you think it's at all relevant.

Armoured · Jun 30, 2015

ebia said:
You keep quoting it, but nobody knows why you think it's at all relevant.

It's guilt by association. Simple.

ebia · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
That does not mean:
1) It cant happen eventually

Ever watched Life of Brian?

2) Adoption does happen [ergo why Catholic adoption agencies closed] and definitely will happen esp with SSM being a "right".

Completely ignores what I said.

LoAmmi · Jun 30, 2015

WarriorAngel said:
I have no record of the female homosexual numbers in pedophilia.

Ok.. I still fail to see the relevance.

The problem with your article is that a man married to a woman who has never had an adult same-sex relationship could be the abuser which doesn't help the argument that a man and a woman is the best arrangement to avoid abuse. I'm not saying that a man and a woman isn't the best arrangement, but the data presented is avoiding the fact that most abusers aren't going to be two homosexual men in an exclusive relationship.

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