Why the NIV cannot be the word of God, even thought it contains portions of God's word.

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As much as the NIV debs about the evidence of the manuscripts (the NIV's preface has a section on the manuscripts that they use, including the MT, and the N-A eclectic text), it is also a debate about worldview. Simply put, if you believe that the King James version is the only authentic version of the Scriptures, no argument for the NIV will sound convincing because it goes against the presupposition of believing KJVOnlyism.

On the other hand, if you approach the NIV with the perspective that there are a number of faithful renditions of the Scriptures into English, you can approach the study of the NIV in a non-binary way. Non-binary meaning that the possibilities of the NIV are more than just either it being the accurate Scripture version, or a Satanic perversion. The NIV is more like a literal/paraphrase rendition of the Scriptures, that gets the point across while still being easy to read. I think you can settle down on this translation by saying it is "a" translation of the Scriptures into English, but not as wooden as the ESV or NRSV, and not as much of a paraphrase as the NLT or the Message.

If you believe there can only be one definite translation of the Scriptures into English, you're going to reject all other translations than the one you prefer from the outside, and never consider that there can be more than one accurate translation into English so that mindset will reject the NIV. But if you believe that there can be more than one accurate translation of the Scriptures into English, you won't have a problem with accepting the NIV as an actual decent translation.
The OP clearly stated that this thread is an expose' against the NIV and all posts focusing attacks on the KJV will not be responded to. This thread is not a debate about KJV only, and any attempts to steer it into a such a debate are thread derailment and should be ignored. This thread is for discussing the NIV.
 
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Clearly stated in the OP: "The only thing I will not entertain here is posts which focus on attacking the King James Bible."

This thread is not for debating the King James Bible, it is for exposing the NIV as a fake Bible. If you cannot defend the NIV as being the Bible, and you are not interested in showing how it cannot possibly be the word of God, please allow the discussion to continue and refrain changing the thread into discussions of textual criticism or other versions. Please keep the focus on the NIV as it is written in English only, and do not respond to posters who try to derail the thread to obscure the deserved scrutiny of the NIV as clearly specified in the OP
 
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Clearly stated in the OP: "The only thing I will not entertain here is posts which focus on attacking the King James Bible."

This thread is not for debating the King James Bible, it is for exposing the NIV as a fake Bible. If you cannot defend the NIV as being the Bible, and you are not interested in showing how it cannot possibly be the word of God, please allow the discussion to continue and refrain changing the thread into discussions of textual criticism or other versions. Please keep the focus on the NIV as it is written in English only, and do not respond to posters who try to derail the thread to obscure the deserved scrutiny of the NIV as clearly specified in the OP

Then you cannot use the KJV as a standard to compare the NIV against. Can we agree on that?
 
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Textual criticism is nothing but a red herring used to deflect scrutiny of the NIV or any other modern version while attacking the King James Bible. Please do not chase that red herring in this thread and focus on discussing the NIV either to defend it as being God's word in opposition to the OP or to support the OP and add to the information exposing the evils of the NIV.

I stand by the title of the thread that the NIV cannot possibly be the word of God though it contains portions of God's word.
 
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Textual criticism is nothing but a red herring used to deflect scrutiny of the NIV or any other modern version while attacking the King James Bible. Please do not chase that red herring in this thread and focus on discussing the NIV either to defend it as being God's word in opposition to the OP or to support the OP and add to the information exposing the evils of the NIV.

I stand by the title of the thread that the NIV cannot possibly be the word of God though it contains portions of God's word.

Please answer my question.
 
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Textual criticism is nothing but a red herring used to deflect scrutiny of the NIV or any other modern version while attacking the King James Bible. Please do not chase that red herring in this thread and focus on discussing the NIV either to defend it as being God's word in opposition to the OP or to support the OP and add to the information exposing the evils of the NIV.

I stand by the title of the thread that the NIV cannot possibly be the word of God though it contains portions of God's word.

Joe, how do you know it contains portions of God's word?
 
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I didn't ask what was missing. I asked what doctrines are missing. Still nothing.
The doctrine of the Godhead..trinity. There you go. Gave it.
Now stop debating.

When I read the NIV, it was missing.
It made out like Jesus was just a prophet or good teacher. I did not get any accurate doctrine from the NIV and consequently was in the dark for many years before God opened my eyes with his word (in my case, with the KJV. )Im not saying KJV is the only Bible, just saying in my experience the NIV is not a real bible.
 
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Clearly stated in the OP: "The only thing I will not entertain here is posts which focus on attacking the King James Bible."

This thread is not for debating the King James Bible, it is for exposing the NIV as a fake Bible. If you cannot defend the NIV as being the Bible, and you are not interested in showing how it cannot possibly be the word of God, please allow the discussion to continue and refrain changing the thread into discussions of textual criticism or other versions. Please keep the focus on the NIV as it is written in English only, and do not respond to posters who try to derail the thread to obscure the deserved scrutiny of the NIV as clearly specified in the OP
The only reason you think the NIV is a fake bible is because you believe there can only be one definitive translation in English. That's legitimately the only reason. I think the NIV is an adequate translation, that was the conclusion to my post. The NIV uses reliable texts, and doesn't do anything crazy. It's not the KJV, but that's fine. It's an alright translation. That should be /thread really. You're simply attacking the NIV on presuppositions that come from a perspective that believe it can't possibly be an actual translation therefore it must be Satanic, or fake or evil. The defense of the NIV is that the arguments against it come from a skewed view that cannot accept it as a translation because it isn't the KJV. There's nothing really else to say.
 
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I really dont know why the NIV would diminish Jesus deity.
Im not saying it had an evil agenda like they were trying to push a new kind of religion on people posing as christianity like the JWs do with the new world translation bible, but I think it lacks scripture and so cannot be called a real bible. More like a paraphrase, or novelised version of the Bible.

That is my experience of it anyway and would not recommend it to people, esp new believers.
 
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The doctrine of the Godhead..trinity. There you go. Gave it.
Now stop debating.

When I read the NIV, it was missing.
It made out like Jesus was just a prophet or good teacher. I did not get any accurate doctrine from the NIV and consequently was in the dark for many years before God opened my eyes with his word (in my case, with the KJV. )Im not saying KJV is the only Bible, just saying in my experience the NIV is not a real bible.

Thank you for saying in your experience. In my experience I was saved in part while reading the NIV as were countless others.

Also, the word Trinity is not in any Bible and is one of the things that non-trinitarians will use against those who believe in the Trinity.
 
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I dont think its the KJV argument its the text itself and how they translated it.
KJV comes in for a lot of flack cos theres nothing much the NIV can do to 'improve' on it. You have to be willing to admit that in terms of english translation, kJV is pretty much tops as the gold standard. There has to be a standard right? Quibbles about spellings and archaic words beside the point.
 
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I dont think its the KJV argument its the text itself and how they translated it.
KJV comes in for a lot of flack cos theres nothing much the NIV can do to 'improve' on it. You have to be willing to admit that in terms of english translation, kJV is pretty much tops as the gold standard. There has to be a standard right? Quibbles about spellings and archaic words beside the point.

Yes, there has to be a standard and this will be off-topic but worth saying, the KJV is not what other Bibles need to be compared to. It's the Hebrew and Greek that scripture was originally written in that is the standard that all Bibles must adhere to.
 
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The only reason you think the NIV is a fake bible is because you believe there can only be one definitive translation in English. That's legitimately the only reason. I think the NIV is an adequate translation, that was the conclusion to my post. The NIV uses reliable texts, and doesn't do anything crazy. It's not the KJV, but that's fine. It's an alright translation. That should be /thread really. You're simply attacking the NIV on presuppositions that come from a perspective that believe it can't possibly be an actual translation therefore it must be Satanic, or fake or evil. The defense of the NIV is that the arguments against it come from a skewed view that cannot accept it as a translation because it isn't the KJV. There's nothing really else to say.


This thread is for exposing the NIV. If all you have to say in defending the NIV is what you said here, it has been clearly debunked in earlier posts by myself and other members. I will not, as clearly stated in the OP, entertain posts which focus on attacking the King James Bible rather than discussing the NIV. The NIV cannot be the Word of God, and this thread is to expose the lies which promote is as conveying or containing the word of God in a way that it should be considered as scripture from God.
 
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The only reason you think the NIV is a fake bible is because you believe there can only be one definitive translation in English. That's legitimately the only reason. I think the NIV is an adequate translation, that was the conclusion to my post. The NIV uses reliable texts, and doesn't do anything crazy. It's not the KJV, but that's fine. It's an alright translation. That should be /thread really. You're simply attacking the NIV on presuppositions that come from a perspective that believe it can't possibly be an actual translation therefore it must be Satanic, or fake or evil. The defense of the NIV is that the arguments against it come from a skewed view that cannot accept it as a translation because it isn't the KJV. There's nothing really else to say.


. My beliefs is not the topic of this thread. The facts surrounding the NIV as it is written in English and it's history from the time it's creators first planned the fake Bible for the purpose of removing sectarian bias (ecumenicalism), are the topic of this thread. If you cannot dispute the facts presented by myself and other members supporting the Title of the thread and the OP, and if you cannot agree with me and others who are supporting the OP exposing the NIV as a book which cannot be held to be the word of God, then maybe you would do well to go back and read all the posts in the thread which are focused on the OP and join the discussion instead of trying to change the topic of the thread.
 
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I really dont know why the NIV would diminish Jesus deity.
Im not saying it had an evil agenda like they were trying to push a new kind of religion on people posing as christianity like the JWs do with the new world translation bible, but I think it lacks scripture and so cannot be called a real bible. More like a paraphrase, or novelised version of the Bible.


That is my experience of it anyway and would not recommend it to people, esp new believers.

The NIV was in fact created with an evil agenda, though its supporters and creators would call it a humanistic agenda. The agenda was to remove sectarian biases, an extremely humanistic and ungodly agenda carried out with at least two known homosexuals as leaders in the work. In the Preface, they say their goal was to remove sectarian bias, and then they claim they are remaining as close to the originals as possible. To believe their work is from or for God, you have to believe God is a liar and never cared about the Truth to start with. It is no coincidence that the NIV in many places lines up with the Jehovah's Witness version which attacks the deity of Christ, the doctrine of Hell, the trinity. The agreements of the NIV with the JW new world translation in heretical doctrinal changes in key verses and passages is easily documented.
 
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I am starting to think that the KJV is an idol in Joe's life that he needs to repent of.

He is pretty much saying in every argument against any other translation that God is not powerful enough and is not able to preserve His word except in only one translation.

He has put the KJV above God Himself.
 
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"The defense of the NIV is that the arguments against it come from a skewed view that cannot accept it as a translation because it isn't the KJV. There's nothing really else to say."

I think this is basically the only defense of the NIV that can be mounted, and by focusing on the facts which are called a "skewed view", it is my hope that objective readers will see the truth of the matter being that the NIV cannot possibly be the word of God.
 
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"The defense of the NIV is that the arguments against it come from a skewed view that cannot accept it as a translation because it isn't the KJV. There's nothing really else to say."

I think this is basically the only defense of the NIV that can be mounted, and by focusing on the facts which are called a "skewed view", it is my hope that objective readers will see the truth of the matter being that the NIV cannot possibly be the word of God.

Can you answer my question now please?
 
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The OP clearly stated that this thread is an expose' against the NIV and all posts focusing attacks on the KJV will not be responded to. This thread is not a debate about KJV only, and any attempts to steer it into a such a debate are thread derailment and should be ignored. This thread is for discussing the NIV.
Then why do you ignore my questions directly related to criticism of the NIV?
 
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