Looking at: "Let your women keep silence in the churches"

Messy said:

Yes but his wife also explained it to him, she wasn't quiet.

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timewerx said:

Through observation in my 20 years being a Christian, having been a regular attendee in many churches in different nations and cultures, I have made a conclusion.

There are some teachings in the Bible that does not produce the expected results even if every requirement has been satisfied...

...Sometimes the expected results happen but it does not standout against people who sometimes did more.

Some teachings produced consistent results which included miraculous healing but this could now be explained by the latest discoveries in science and Jesus was right in this regards.

Many teachings are in fact, more associated with "luck", hard work, and following worldly principles that work. That these miracles among Christians does not stand apart from non-believers. Example of this is becoming materially rich. If you observed a sermon on the possibility of having material abundance, it sounded more like a pumped up secular motivational speech session.....because that's what it is.

And whatever teaching in the Bible that told that women should be subject to men is false. Because in reality, do you wives submit yourselves to your husbands or you only "think so" but not really... Nations who actually do this, well, you don't want to go in such nations because they're terrible!




Darn it, can't find my firesticks!

That explains a lot about you. Pardon my geekiness but science find something unique about the "third sex".

The brain is wired in both ways like a woman and a man. Capable of both things which make men and women distinct from each other mentally speaking.

This means the "third sex" or simply a feminine man or masculine woman is better than a normal man and woman together. "Two heads are better than one" doesn't work in this case but rather a "third sex" is better than even two or more heads!

In fact, when I learned to think like a woman, it bumped my IQ by ten points at the age of 33 in just a few years! The "third sex" is more probable to turn out geniuses which is a statistical fact.

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timewerx said:

Not a problem! Isn't everyday, someone will be delighted by someone's not-so-popular ideas!

It was Her idea for me to look into the matter of money and economy. She wanted me to study how money goes around.

And then She also asked me to make a study regarding gender differences in all aspects. She asked me to get into statistics so I looked into them as well. I tried to establish patterns between nations and regions and saw very distinct ones by how women are treated.

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I really can't take the credit, it was SHE who asked me where to look. All I had to do was listen and investigate!

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razzelflabben said:

how women are treated is a far different thing from common characteristics in woman...I just thought that should be pointed out as we are talking about characteristics of woman and the wisdom of understanding those differences. so, let me ask you a question for this "wisdom" you keep talking about....who do you/she say Jesus is?

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katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
Yes Timeworks, has she, that beautiful woman chimed in yet on Jesus, or as you say given you clues where to find that information yet?
I imagine she has, Now ask her this: Is The Bible, true where it says it is true, and false where it says it is false.
She will give you but one of two answers, maybe three. They are, 1. What do you think? 2. Yes. 3. Do the work, the way you have been shown, we'll talk about this when you are done, but, no we won't because you will have the answers yourself then.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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timewerx said:

Hi Mary,

I could only see the Bible as perfect from one perspective:

Matthew 10:35
For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--

The Bible helped to fufill the goal of Jesus perfectly because there's not one way to interpret the Bible - this has led to many divisions within Christianity itself due to to different interpretations.

It would seem like the Bible is more of an esoteric material if to be treated perfectly because it serves a goal that is is not obvious in plain sight.

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timewerx said:

Razzelflaben asked that question, not me you mixed us up!

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katerinah1947 said:

Hi Timeworks, or Timey for you who know that woman,
The experiments were for the Bible Proof. And observations however detailed are not experiments. And that sounds horrible to say,but the reality of doing both, is vastly different. One ls like listening to music. The other is being the music. The first has people with vast experiences and knowledge. The second is more, it is much more.

Question: Is it Real?
Question: How do you find out?

Am I allowed to send agents, or cameras to monitor you for firesticks. I am not at all adversed to being burned at the stake, but I hate pain, and would like to stock up on pain killers might you find any firesticks. Yes, this is dry humor.

Question: Is the rich in The Bible about money, or something else?
Statement: Mary some time after The Holy Spirit descended upon her, said something: "...the rich you sent away empty handed, but the poor you filled with every good thing..."
Question: If I am filled with every good thing, am I Rich?

As far as for intelligence, my normal intelligence is 5.25 on scale of 1 to 5. However, in practice my intelligence in practice has no limits. That is because, I no longer have just my intellingence, rather I have mine and I am connected. Who am I connected to?

~One day after numerous visits~ making me gnostic ~ from God in various forms~ changing my heart forever, at least forever I hope ~I became a mystic, a prophet for eighteen months. It is not so today, but I had that experience for 18 months or so. Many things I was, but was really given, and by what method I do not know. Around 18 months after seeing The Essence of God, and having Jesus tell me precisely what his (notice I do not capitalize here, because of these marks only.) core personality is, his way, Jesus and Mary, just like it says Bibllically for Jesus and Religiously for Mary by The Roman Catholic church, pass me off and up one day.~ I am on the other side of the gate to God, the one that is monitored. The one Jesus spoke of. ~the looks on both of their faces was so amazing, that I don't know what it was. It was like pleasure for someone else. It is as though they loved someone beyond my existence, and it is that someone that is being pleased by thier actions. I felt around. I did not have a clue where I was.~ This is not an out of body experience. It is not. I don't even know what those are like or about. ~Well a month and a half passed. I am speaking with Jesus again, and he is extremely pleased for some reason, about me telling him that I did not want to life forever. I wanted it to all end for me after this life was over, but two things. If it could be painless, this ceasing to exist that would be nice, and could I keep working for God, until that time came. I did add, I want nothing for anything I did right, and mercy for all I did wrong, instantly realizing the wrong I have done is greater than the good, probably~ Time passed. And now for you, on me and on Biblical things, as you might want to know this in assessing me, this: First off, I was not giving in then, to being transgendered, as I was Catholic and trying not to be still. It is not that I was perfect at it, but there is no way I was going to not accept death, over any ruling of theirs, even if they were found out later to be wrong. Also this was just short of my 60th Birthday, and I am now short of my 68th Birthday by six months.
Time passed. It was about a month and a half.
~I am in my dining room. It is around 2:30. I am setting up for something and it is not guests, and this is the guest dining room, not the breakfast area table and chairs.~ My house is very modest, but it does have two dining areas. ~off in the distance something is approaching me. I am getting scared. What is approaching me is outside of my house and many feet above the ground. It is small. I look, more with my feelings than with my eyes. Soon there is no difference. I am looking with my heart only, not realizing it. It approaches,and it is God The Father. All presences get quiet or dissapear. There is only He, and only me. Above a thinner layer of clouds He is. I see his colors. I sense Him. It is Him. Finally He stops and is to the right of my view, of where I was talked to by Jesus twice and Mary once. A lower thicker layer of clouds has been rolled up, or pushed aside like snow, but I am seeing the version as though I am in space and He is on earth, as the clouds pushed aside and mounded up, are as snow would be, if I was looking at it nomally on earth. As I looked, and God The Father had stopped. As I felt Him, and saw the colors through the thin layer of clouds, out of the berm on the left side someone pops uo. He is 17 years old. He starts to speak. I am very upset............... finally I quiet down internally. I listen, remembering all of his words that he spoke, it makes no sense what he is saying until he finished his second sentence with that word. The word he finished with was..........me.~
Three days later, but only 48 hours, ~this would all be over. I was to give a yes, or a no answer for eternity. I would never be asked this question again.~ ~In the mean time, I had a lot of things to go over. That all started with the ending of that person's words concluding with .....me.~ ~In a minute or so, I am heading for the floor. I do not know this. I would not know this for months afterwards. All I knew is as I am trying to decide what to say, in response to him, that I didn't have the answer, but was trying to find the answer. He departs,......~ And these parts are not important, for what reason, I told this all to you.
I have told this to you, because you might be thinking that I am normal, but am only transgendered, intellectually. I told you others wish me to say, I am a gnostic theist. I thought I would tell you the engineering type, what that might mean in context.
Is this what you expected, and all of this is verified and tested. Even the mental health professionals who also told me I have am definitely gender dysphoric, even they all four of them in time, chimed in that I am no form of pathology. I am real, and what happened to me, they verified in a way. They also told me, look what you are is being verified. Let me tell you how. So, I may sound nuts or deluded. But, the above is real. I also verified this with the Roman Catholic Church, they were most blown away, but proved by their methods, and one actully in the Bible for this kind of event, that indeed, it happened and indeed it is true.
You have said, things in The Bible do not stand up to controlled experiments. That is not what was presented to you. You are to prove the Bibile is wrong, and you are to submit that proof to the world as though that was your Ph.D. Thesis. We in the world get to try your proof out. You are not to observe, you are to do the work, only then can you know, if what you are being told is true. That is how upper level science is done.
You do not have to do this work, but if you do not do this work, then you are always an amateur in religion, as you only have opinions and no proofs.
I had to prove everything always at work. I do not have honoraray Ph.D.'s for my thesis equivalents failing. I have not been penned, like in a Beautiful mind, by a Ph.D. for nothing. Ph.D.'s and others have not fallen when they have been wrong, for nothing. It is because, of God, and feeding me the answers, and Wisdom and actully Jesus is always there for me on my right and a little in front of me, when I am being given the answers. When I need it, I have seen the connection from my head to heaven, ~like a narrow tornado or spiral~ which is why my intelligence if need be is infinite.
~I am also a living saint.~
These things, you finding the Bible is wrong by observation, is not correct, but it is allowed for you now. The other is you thinking I am bright by way of Wisdom, which is true, but you think it is because I am transgendered, which does make sense and may have to do with some of it by making me more diverse, but that is not all, as I am connected to God, for you and for others also, intelligence wise. Thus it is God you are seeing in intelligence from me some of the time.
Do you think I learned the Bible on my own? Do you? It is not so. I was given a teacher and took lessons. The lesson plan, included proving the Bible wrong if I could. My ~instructor was Jerome. Saint Jerome you all call him. I am sure God assigned him to me.~
The method you were given, was the method I was given. It took ten years, to try and prove it wrong, win, present those results, fail on review, then present those results, and find everyone who has done this work failed at proving it wrong themselves, took time off, designed. designed. designed controlled experiement. It took three months just to design five. I then took a small break. Ran all five controlled experiements, where I knew precislely everything myself, but the one item I was testing, collected the results, summarized the results. This is the method, that I was given. This is the method I did. This is thesis material, if I had to write one. I did not. I did present my findings to everyone. Those who have done, what I have put forth, as it is required in discipline and in techniques for research, get the same anwers that I got.
On my own, I am not that bright.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
Yes Timeworks, has she, that beautiful woman chimed in yet on Jesus, or as you say given you clues where to find that information yet?
I imagine she has, Now ask her this: Is The Bible, true where it says it is true, and false where it says it is false.
She will give you but one of two answers, maybe three. They are, 1. What do you think? 2. Yes. 3. Do the work, the way you have been shown, we'll talk about this when you are done, but, no we won't because you will have the answers yourself then.
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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timewerx said:

Hi Mary,

I could only see the Bible as perfect from one perspective:

Matthew 10:35
For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law--

The Bible helped to fufill the goal of Jesus perfectly because there's not one way to interpret the Bible - this has led to many divisions within Christianity itself due to to different interpretations.

It would seem like the Bible is more of an esoteric material if to be treated perfectly because it serves a goal that is is not obvious in plain sight.

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katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
I am asking you also, research wise, who do you say Jesus is. Where did you get that information from? Is it Wisdom, God's gal-pal to me, or is it from some other source?
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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razzelflabben said:

First you answer my question...first you prove scripture wrong by answering the question I asked. Who do you say Jesus the Christ is?

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razzelflabben said:

then, prove scripture wrong, do the test I present. Who do you say Jesus the Christ is? It is a biblical test, one for you to prove wrong.

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katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
I cannot prove scripture wrong. I cannot. All of my work proved Scripture right.
Who is Jesus Christ, throug the Inpsiration of the Holy Spirit. At a minimum, He is the actualy and Real Son of God, Who actually because He loved His Father, was born on earth through a Virgin by the actions/power of The Holy Spirit, and when He was 29 or so, started to tell us of Himself and His Father, then died on the cross so we could have forgiveness of sins, and for Him to destroy death, but always doing the jointly because He loved His Father, whose will this was for Him to die on the cross as perfect sacrifice, since He was without sin.
How, much more would you like me to say, of Him, Jesus Christ, Son of God? I am not really sure of what you are asking me.
Doesn't everyone know that? Do they not know Jesus is talked about in The Old Testament? Do they not know that Jesus told us that? Do they not know Jesus, told us about those things and more as in, "When David was speaking under the inspiriation of the Holy Spirt, and said The Lord, said to my Lord, sit here at my right side...." Do, they not know that The Lord here is God The Father, and Psalms 2 shows that clearly. Do they not know to teach the people then, Jesus quoted what we call Psalms 110 today? It is so clear. John 1:1 says Jesus is God.
Have I failed your test so far?

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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katerinah1947 said:

Hi,
I can't prove Scripture wrong. I cannot. If you want me to, I can try again. I spent 10 years objectively trying to prove it wrong, but using all of my disciplines and training as a scientist. I failed. I failed. I failed.
Intially I thought I had proved it wrong. I presented those results to as many people as I could. Rebuttals came in. I looked at those, and I had made mistakes.
I then corrected my mistakes. I was then left with no proof, that the Bible is wrong. None.
I then did a world wide search to see if anyone had proved the Bible wrong, and I was in research, I did have methods and access and training. I found no one had.

Then I was left with a book that I couldn't prove wrong. That though does not make it right.
Controlled experiements were designed by me. It took three months just to come up with 5.

After finishing my first controlled experiment, I wanted to stop. Only Scientific Discipline cause me to do the other four.

All controlled experiments yielded the exact same results. The same result. The same. The Bible is real. It is true where it says it is true, it is false where it says it is false.

Esoteric? Yes. Refutable? Yes, if you do the same work the same way and get different results.

I cannot prove that Bible wrong. I cannot. Oh and Jesus Christ is the only Begotten son of God, sent to earth to die for our sins. It happened on a cross. He died and then on the third day He rose again. That's the Jesus I know.

LOVE,
...Mary., .... .

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razzelflabben said:

again, you say who Jesus is according to the Bible, but fail to tell us who you believe Jesus to be. Consider this...scripture says, even the demons James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

Thus the question cannot be who does scripture say Jesus is. The answer must come from the spirit within and has only one answer, that is why it is effective for identifying who is speaking in the power of the HS.

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