Pharaoh

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Who would you say that Pharaoh most likely represents if he is a type in the OT?

If Pharaoh does represent an end time figure, WHO would that be?

What does Pharaoh command his people to do to the Israelites?

How does the story end.. what ultimately happens to Pharaoh and those he commands to stop the Israelites from leaving?

Interplanner · May 30, 2015

If you are going to make analogies like this, you'll have to show:
what foreign location is "Israel" that it needs to leave, and
do you mean the ethnos Israel and why? Because the NT no longer does.

There is the "little while" of rebellion at the end of time in which all believers are nearly harmed, all over the world, but the Lord destroys their opponent. In which case, there is nothing to worry about, and a fear mongering thread is the opposite of our response.

Straightshot · May 30, 2015

My comment

Who stood behind the King of Egypt? .... don't let the devil hide from you .... the master instigator of the rebellion against the Lord

And the same who will activate the little horn of Daniel's visions against Israel during the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30:8]

The view of the preterist is always short sighted and the same is always struggling to wipe out the Lord's forward view of things to come .... the things hereafter

Satan likes to make people think that he does not exist ..... do not let him blindside you

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Interplanner said:
If you are going to make analogies like this, you'll have to show:
what foreign location is "Israel" that it needs to leave, and
do you mean the ethnos Israel and why? Because the NT no longer does.

There is the "little while" of rebellion at the end of time in which all believers are nearly harmed, all over the world, but the Lord destroys their opponent. In which case, there is nothing to worry about, and a fear mongering thread is the opposite of our response.

Ok, so you don't see Pharoah as any type of end time figure.

Not a problem, thanks for sharing and we'll see what others have to say.

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Straightshot said:
My comment

Who stood behind the King of Egypt? .... don't let the devil hide from you .... the master instigator of the rebellion against the Lord

And the same who will activate the little horn of Daniel's visions against Israel during the coming time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30:8]

The view of the preterist is always short sighted and the same is always struggling to wipe out the Lord's forward view of things to come .... the things hereafter

Satan likes to make people think that he does not exist ..... do not let him blindside you

It makes me think that there must be deep seeded hatred against the children of Israel because of this historical event where the LORD wiped out those who tried to stop His people..

Interplanner · May 30, 2015

Yes, those feelings may be there in Egypt. Islams feelings are there because it is qur'an and you can't question that. But this doesn't have to do with eschatology because NT eschatology is not about the ethnos Israel. It is about a new one. We know Mt 24 is not about this because the persecution described there is repeating what Mt 10 said, and both are about those who preach the Gospel.

NT eschatology is not about who is being mean to the modern nation of Israel or why they are doing that.

I was referring to how the last persecution of believers might have a Pharaoh-like figure, but the passage (Rev 21) says the opposition is more of a worldwide thing against all believers. We don't need to know any of these details, unless you like to have things to worry, fear , and fret about.

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Interplanner said:
Yes, those feelings may be there in Egypt. Islams feelings are there because it is qur'an and you can't question that. But this doesn't have to do with eschatology because NT eschatology is not about the ethnos Israel. It is about a new one. We know Mt 24 is not about this because the persecution described there is repeating what Mt 10 said, and both are about those who preach the Gospel.

NT eschatology is not about who is being mean to the modern nation of Israel or why they are doing that.

I was referring to how the last persecution of believers might have a Pharaoh-like figure, but the passage (Rev 21) says the opposition is more of a worldwide thing against all believers. We don't need to know any of these details, unless you like to have things to worry, fear , and fret about.

And now that ISRAEL is back in the land and evil cowards want to wipe them off the face of the earth.. it's probably nothing, just the norm in this glorious kingdom we live in..

Straightshot · May 30, 2015

"NT eschatology is not about who is being mean to the modern nation of Israel or why they are doing that."

I still hear the devil in the details .... loud and clear

The Bible is one book from Genesis to Revelation, not to be divided for the purpose of supporting his ambition

Interplanner · May 30, 2015

Islam historically despises Jews, nothing new about that. The modern state was a League of Nations, UN effort, with roots as far back as the mid 1800s in northern Europe. The modern state is mostly agnostic, atheist "NYC" Jews with a huge axe to grind with God. Very few believers and only about 7% orthodox Judaism. It is good that it shows its neighbors what it means to have a constitution instead of shari'a. But it is not a miracle of prophecy or anything to do with what the NT means.

Interplanner · May 30, 2015

You're right about being one book. Israel was not there in Gen 1-11. To show the unity of the Bible, it is fascinating that it comes back to that mentality in the end (that it is not about Israel). The day of Pentecost was the reverse of the day of Babel--showing attention was back to all nations and the gift of the Seed to all nations, which Israel carried for a while.

The NT passages that are self-organizing about the message of the Bible don't feature modern Israel because everything important happened in Christ. Acts 13, 2 Cor 3-5, Heb 8-10, Gal 3-4, etc.

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Interplanner said:
But it is not a miracle of prophecy or anything to do with what the NT means.

ANYTHING BUT that, we know.

How about Rev 7 where it speaks of all those Israelites being sealed by God.. and then Rev 19 where it speaks of Christ coming to destroy the beast.. Amazing, isn't it?

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Let's stay on topic here.. which is Pharoah and who he might represent as an endtime figure.

Interplanner · May 30, 2015

What if historical figures don't "represent" end time figures?

As for the Rev, many, many people have read it as a pastoral answer to what happened in 1st century Judea. The 144K are believers; note that they are also missionaries of the Gospel. The defeat of the harlot has often been interp'd as the over throw of the zealot rebellion because the harlot rides the beast (ie Judaism leveraged Roman power against its opponents, especially Christians, as seen several times in Acts). The beast devouring the harlot was therefore the DofJ. John was comforting all believers who had suffered losses by saying that God would one day also overthrow the beast and the true Lord would reign on a new heavens and earth after this one was disposed of.

vinsight4u · May 30, 2015

Brian45 · May 30, 2015

Another story which shows the end times is the book of esther where we see the evil Haman and his 10 sons attempt to kill the jews. Using typology we could say there are 10 who are related to Haman.

But to your question well let's keep the preterists guessing , just like the jews they have become blind and only see the historical.

Straightshot · May 30, 2015

"Let's stay on topic here.. which is Pharoah and who he might represent as an endtime figure."

I know and so can anyone

The end time figure of Egypt is the king of the south in Daniel 11:40

Watch Egypt in the current setting of the Middle East .... the stand off Egypt and ISIS of the north is already developing at this time

Straightshot · May 30, 2015

"But to your question well let's keep the preterists guessing , just like the jews they have become blind and only see the historical."

Of course they have, just like Israel today .... bogged down in the fog of 70 AD

The difference .... Israel is still looking for their Messiah and King who is coming to them .... the preterist does not like this idea for some reason and has abandon the truth about the matter

ThatTrueLight · May 30, 2015

Brian45 said:
Another story which shows the end times is the book of esther where we see the evil Haman and his 10 sons attempt to kill the jews. Using typology we could say there are 10 who are related to Haman.

But to your question well let's keep the preterists guessing , just like the jews they have become blind and only see the historical.

I myself though of the book of Esther.

AlasBabylon · May 30, 2015

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On another forum, I recently made an analogy between Putin and Pharaoh.

The interesting thing to note... while Pharaoh was the chief opposition...
he was God's "controlled opposition"... God purposefully hardened Pharaoh's
heart to NOT let the Israelites go. God did this so God's deliverance would be
even greater.

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dfw69 · May 30, 2015

ThatTrueLight said:
Let's stay on topic here.. which is Pharoah and who he might represent as an endtime figure.

Satan the Prince of this world.. is a good candidate

And

The final antichrist who will harden his heart towards God and lead the nation's to harden their hearts as well ....they will not repent...though the plagues will fall upon them....in the last days

Well not all people will not repent...many people of all nations in the last days will get the victory over the beast....and they will be resurrected

But there will also be those that harden their hearts towards God

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