Pope to lecture Protestant America and what of Catholic Mexico??
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Rhamiel
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also, from the point of view of a European nation, what is the problem with recognizing the Confederate States of America as a legitimate country at the time?
they had their own government
they had their own army
they had land
they were even a democracy
yes, they owned slaves, something that the Catholic Church spoke out against, something that Catholic countries had already done away with
Portugal ended Slavery in mainland Portugal and its holdings in India in 1761, Spain did away with slavery in mainland Spain and in most of its colonies in 1811 and by 1818 the slave trade was ended in all Colonies, that same year France also abolished the slavery
in 1537 the Pope forbade the enslavement of Native Americans
but you do not have to agree with everything a nation does in order to recognize them as a nation
is the issue that the Pope recognized a nation that held slaves?
or is it that the Pope recognized a nation that did not last very long?
well before the Civil War, the USA was a Nation that held slaves, should the Pope have not recognized the legitimacy of the USA before 1865?
they had their own government
they had their own army
they had land
they were even a democracy
yes, they owned slaves, something that the Catholic Church spoke out against, something that Catholic countries had already done away with
Portugal ended Slavery in mainland Portugal and its holdings in India in 1761, Spain did away with slavery in mainland Spain and in most of its colonies in 1811 and by 1818 the slave trade was ended in all Colonies, that same year France also abolished the slavery
in 1537 the Pope forbade the enslavement of Native Americans
but you do not have to agree with everything a nation does in order to recognize them as a nation
is the issue that the Pope recognized a nation that held slaves?
or is it that the Pope recognized a nation that did not last very long?
well before the Civil War, the USA was a Nation that held slaves, should the Pope have not recognized the legitimacy of the USA before 1865?
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The Lone Ranger
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History shows the U.S. was founded by people escaping Christian persecution.
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Rhamiel
Member of the Round Table
well there were 13 colonies
some were founded for economic reasons, like I thin Virginia colony was mostly for economic reasons
Massachusetts was founded by Puritans, they left England because they were being persecuted
but then they went to Holland, but they had trouble there because the Dutch offered a great degree of religious freedom
In Massachusetts, people did not have religious freedom, Puritans were very.... well.... Puritanical... the Puritans, who were escaping persecution, then in tern persecuted Baptists, Catholics, Quakers, and Jews
but you did not answer my question, what is so problematic about the Holy See recognizing the Confederate States of America as a nation at the time ?
was it the fact that the nation did not last very long?
or is it the fact that it was a nation that had legal slavery?
if your problem was with recognition of a nation that holds slaves, was it right to recognize the USA before the Civil War? before the Civil War the USA was a country that had slavery
(though this is only hypothetical, as Ebia pointed out, there was no formal recognition, just a polite letter)
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The Lone Ranger
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Wage slavery vs Chateau slavery. Which is better? Neither answer you produced fits. I already answered the question!
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The Lone Ranger
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Thanks. I grew up with some people I haven't talked to in many years, that thought otherwise. Maybe they are just weird.
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tulc
loves "SO'S YER MOM!! posts!
you do realize the "fleeing persecution" and "founding of USA" were about 150 years apart, right? Been here? http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/?page=1
tulc(likes to point that out)
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