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Aside from the miracles, healings, the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Golden Rule, can you explain why what Jesus said, with examples, was good advice or sound moral teaching?

(I posted a similar question in another section but it was aimed at non-believers).

Thanks.
Read the start of Matthew 15. This gives an example of what His attitude is about religion. He is saying that the religious leaders at the time had become all superficial, making themselves appear to be righteous, God fearing, respectable in their position whathaveyou, but then Jesus is saying that although they polish the outside of the cup to give this impression, they have not cleaned the inside of the cup and it is foul. He goes on to say that someone does not sin by breaking ritual, but by not complying with what the law is intending to describe.

I suppose an easy way to look at it in today's terms, as I mentioned in conversation two days ago. We are all so consumed by concern to comply with law so that we are protected from accusation of breaking the rules so to protect from the danger of the consequences. However the intention of the speed limit is to indicate the type of zone. Sometimes however, a 50 kph zone might be an area with cars parked either side of the road. It becomes extra hazardous then since a child or pet could run between the parked cars while oncoming traffic would not easily see it happening. In that situation 50 kph is too fast. However, it is legally permissible to drive at that speed in that place at that time. Though the letter of the law is obeyed, the intention of the law is not.

Jesus is consistent with this attitude. Another example is when He is strolling on a Sabbath with His disciples, who broke some wheat grain and were munching it. Look up that one. Again it is a stark contrast between those who apply law without considering the purpose of the law.
 
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Given that Jesus believed in the OT, and agreed with it, why was the intent not described or given back then?

Also, was the intent of the Sabbath partly to have that specific day to rest - or can it now mean any day of the week?

(Why are there so many different interpretations if there is one Holy Spirit?)

Are you saying that to follow Jesus, you have to follow the intent of the original commandments given to Israel, in order to be saved, or do you just believe that Jesus died for your sins?

If God doesn't want people to perish, then why does Jesus tell us the way is narrow and that few find it?

I realise I've asked a lot of questions .....
 
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Given that Jesus believed in the OT, and agreed with it, why was the intent not described or given back then?
I suggest it was, and that it is plainly obvious to anyone who thinks about it freely. But since the world is governed by the fear of having to protect ourselves from those who will use the law for personal gain rather than as it is intended, we have become conditioned to accept that letter-for-letter interpretation of law is the final matter. But, that is not the purpose of law. The purpose of law is to describe an intended judgement for certain situations. This is why law makers are very particular about the wording of new law, and why law is so heavily argued because when a legal ruling is given, the judges are bound by what the law says rather than what the law was meant to determine. Did you look at the situation in the field? Do you think that when God gave the commandment "You shall keep the Sabbath holy, on that day you shall do no work", He meant to say that nobody should be allowed to pick a fruit from a tree as they wander the garden with Him? Jesus said "If you had known what God wants, you would not condemn the innocent".

I think this is clearly the distinction that has been made between rulership of God's kingdom by men vs rulership of His kingdom by Jesus Christ:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

.. whereas the kingdom that was instituted by Moses had been run by men, those who worshipped God according to His holy institution were subject to their rulership. Jesus has established a covenant with God whereby we can approach God in freedom and confidence, knowing that if we repent from our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin. In this way, the old covenant was a caretaker until Jesus came, to fulfil the law and to reconcile us to God, so we can worship Him in spirit and in truth. We do not answer to men who sanctify us, we answer to Jesus in spirit.

That gives us the freedom and confidence to know that while we are obeying His command, we are not subject to human interpretations of the law, and He is faithful to forgive us for our sin.
Also, was the intent of the Sabbath partly to have that specific day to rest - or can it now mean any day of the week?
You should ask Him what He requires of you in that regard. In this world today, you will be pressed to find any such day of rest. Even Christians who observe Sunday are obligated to attend church services, and look out if you are driving slow in front of them when they are running late! In the ancient Jewish society, it was a coordinated day of rest. There was no such thing as a sect of Jews who would rest on a Sunday. But that whole culture is out the window when you look at the world around us, but you know, if a church can get away with preaching that you must attend every Sunday because it is God's ordinance, that's pretty tempting.
(Why are there so many different interpretations if there is one Holy Spirit?)
We don't always listen to The Holy Spirit. If we did, we would agree, but it is hard. Have you ever butted heads on a public forum like this, and then had to take back your words? I have. It is really hard to do. Some people just cannot do it. Imagine though, someone who is recognised for owning a podium finding out they have been wrong! You know what St Paul said "it is by the grace of God that you have been saved, and not for any works that you can boast about".
Are you saying that to follow Jesus, you have to follow the intent of the original commandments given to Israel, in order to be saved, or do you just believe that Jesus died for your sins?
Jesus said this: "Not everyone who calls me 'Lord', 'Lord' will enter heaven, but only those who actually do the will of my father, who is in heaven". So while I am able to use scriptures to instruct you in righteousness and to correct you, really I cannot tell you what He requires of you. You will need to open the door, invite Him in for a meal, and find out for yourself whether He requires you to change. You need to do this often, BTW. Some people think this is a one-off thing, but I reckon every time you hear Him knocking, you should invite Him in. And perhaps reflect on how He got put outside last time.
If God doesn't want people to perish, then why does Jesus tell us the way is narrow and that few find it?
Most people do not really want to be corrected, they just want their desires met. Jesus said "work hard to enter the narrow gate". Mostly, the problems in our world are caused by us doing the wrong thing because we choose to please ourselves to that extent. It is a clear, consistent theme that we need to sacrifice ourselves for others. But most people really struggle with that. "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven". We are all capable of being that rich man in some way, to hang on to something so badly that we will go away sad when Jesus tells us that is our stumbling block. In this man's case, it was wealth. In some people's case, it is reputation. Probably you get the idea.
I realise I've asked a lot of questions .....
Excellent questions, good asking too! I really hope my response has been sufficient to be helpful. Please pray to Him and ask Him to help you understand the truth, and think about why you would want to ask for that from Him before you do that. You seem like a person who would like to know the truth it and would make good use of it.
 
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If God doesn't want people to perish, then why does Jesus tell us the way is narrow and that few find it?

I realise I've asked a lot of questions .....

If I may take just one question and answer that, hopefully it will help to understand more.

It is very true that God doesn't want anyone to perish but to have eternal life, yet the only way that can be accomplished is through faith in Jesus Christ and his name. That is why the way is narrow, because it is singular and you have to take care to choose it.
The comparison between death and life is this: we all die, hence many find it; but after death, then what? Only those who choose the way of eternal life will receive it. We do not all receive eternal life; hence few find it.

The important point to remember is that we all die but not all have eternal life.

So, who has eternal life? Only those who have believed and obeyed the Gospel, which is to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten son of God [the only son born to God through the womb of a woman]; that his death on the cross [purposed in the will of God] paid a ransom for our sins; his resurrection is the assurance of eternal life; he is seated with God the Father continuing to intercede for us, and that he will return for all who have so believed that they may receive the eternal life with him in the presence of God. Those who believe do not love the world and live in its lusts but have separated themselves to live in the righteousness he [Jesus] imparted to them.

If all will believe then all will be saved and God's ultimate will and desire will be fulfilled, but each one must declare and live up to their intent. Anyone can be saved because anyone can believe.

Will you believe?
 
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I suggest it was, and that it is plainly obvious to anyone who thinks about it freely. But since the world is governed by the fear of having to protect ourselves from those who will use the law for personal gain rather than as it is intended, we have become conditioned to accept that letter-for-letter interpretation of law is the final matter. But, that is not the purpose of law. The purpose of law is to describe an intended judgement for certain situations. This is why law makers are very particular about the wording of new law, and why law is so heavily argued because when a legal ruling is given, the judges are bound by what the law says rather than what the law was meant to determine. Did you look at the situation in the field? Do you think that when God gave the commandment "You shall keep the Sabbath holy, on that day you shall do no work", He meant to say that nobody should be allowed to pick a fruit from a tree as they wander the garden with Him? Jesus said "If you had known what God wants, you would not condemn the innocent"..

I don't understand why you put 'should be allowed to pick a fruit from a tree'- did you mean to refer to Genesis? Do you believe in 'original sin'? I find it hard to believe that babies are born sinful.

I think this is clearly the distinction that has been made between rulership of God's kingdom by men vs rulership of His kingdom by Jesus Christ:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

.. whereas the kingdom that was instituted by Moses had been run by men, those who worshipped God according to His holy institution were subject to their rulership. Jesus has established a covenant with God whereby we can approach God in freedom and confidence, knowing that if we repent from our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sin. In this way, the old covenant was a caretaker until Jesus came, to fulfil the law and to reconcile us to God, so we can worship Him in spirit and in truth. We do not answer to men who sanctify us, we answer to Jesus in spirit.

That gives us the freedom and confidence to know that while we are obeying His command, we are not subject to human interpretations of the law, and He is faithful to forgive us for our sin..

But which command? And how do we know that we're interpreting it correctly - especially since there's uncertainty with him saying that he will tell some people to depart from him, even though they thought they knew him.


You should ask Him what He requires of you in that regard. ..

With regard to praying to Jesus, then surely you've got to be convinced that he is the Son of God/God first?

I was hoping that by speaking here I could get more of a sense of Jesus as a person. In the bible he seems like a pretty scary character because even though he says he hasn't come to judge, he does talk about being saved or unsaved (and awful consequences) quite a bit.

Also, so many people get convinced that they hear his voice but then get into confusion or doubt and then it seems as if it could have just been their imagination all along ..... so praying and listening for a voice doesn't seem a reliable way for a lot of people to hear from him.

That said, I accept that many people draw strength and comfort from their faith.
 
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So, who has eternal life? Only those who have believed and obeyed the Gospel, which is to believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the only begotten son of God [the only son born to God through the womb of a woman]; that his death on the cross [purposed in the will of God] paid a ransom for our sins; his resurrection is the assurance of eternal life; he is seated with God the Father continuing to intercede for us, and that he will return for all who have so believed that they may receive the eternal life with him in the presence of God. Those who believe do not love the world and live in its lusts but have separated themselves to live in the righteousness he [Jesus] imparted to them.

If all will believe then all will be saved and God's ultimate will and desire will be fulfilled, but each one must declare and live up to their intent. Anyone can be saved because anyone can believe.

Will you believe?

So it seems there are two steps - believing all you've said above, and then doing the Will of His Father?? Not sure of what all of His Will would be ....?

I don't think its a good idea to believe in a hurry, but rather to understand what you're getting into or who it is you are following.
 
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I don't understand why you put 'should be allowed to pick a fruit from a tree'- did you mean to refer to Genesis? Do you believe in 'original sin'? I find it hard to believe that babies are born sinful.
Combining the idea of Adam walking th garden with God, eating fruit from any tree, but drawing in parallel to Jesus strolling on the Sabbath with His disciples doing the same thing (only it was grain rather than fruit). Observing Jews would say it is unlawful to pick an apple from your garden on a Sabbath to eat it, whereas if it was picked on any other day, it is lawful to take it from the fruit bowl and eat it.

I think a baby sins as soon as it begins demanding from it's mother for example, but that doesn't make it cuplable for the sin. Jesus said "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have no excuse for their sin". So culpability for sin depends on whether we have acted wrong knowingly, whereas sin is acting wrong, even unknowingly. Just because we don't know that we are acting sinfully, does not mean that someone else doesn't know, because it is sin regardless.
But which command? And how do we know that we're interpreting it correctly - especially since there's uncertainty with him saying that he will tell some people to depart from him, even though they thought they knew him.
No, He is a living God. You need to obey Him at all times, not just when you read the bible. Jesus said "you diligently study the scriptures, because you think that you have life in them. But the scriptures pint to me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life". You need to know Him. You cannot be justified by any man's interpretation of scripture, not even your own. He is the only one who can justify you, and Christians should point you toward Him.
With regard to praying to Jesus, then surely you've got to be convinced that he is the Son of God/God first?
Pray to God in Jesus' name. Jesus is the only one who has ever truly pleased God. He never let Him down. Jesus said "if any man acknowledges me before others on earth, I will acknwledge him before my father in heaven". The basis of your faith, confidence to approach God, is through knowing that Jesus is your mediator to God. So, yes. Do you remember the story about those Jewish exorcists who tried to exorcise in Jesus' name, but actually did not know Jesus?
I was hoping that by speaking here I could get more of a sense of Jesus as a person. In the bible he seems like a pretty scary character because even though he says he hasn't come to judge, he does talk about being saved or unsaved (and awful consequences) quite a bit.

Also, so many people get convinced that they hear his voice but then get into confusion or doubt and then it seems as if it could have just been their imagination all along ..... so praying and listening for a voice doesn't seem a reliable way for a lot of people to hear from him.

That said, I accept that many people draw strength and comfort from their faith.
Can you please provide the verse that you are referring to here:

even though he says he hasn't come to judge
 
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So it seems there are two steps - believing all you've said above, and then doing the Will of His Father?? Not sure of what all of His Will would be ....?

I don't think its a good idea to believe in a hurry, but rather to understand what you're getting into or who it is you are following.

If you consider matters of life and death it will likely be an excellent idea to believe in a hurry.

Consider that I am hanging by a plant on a cliff face whose roots are about to let go any second. You have lowered a rope with a loop to save me. Wouldn't you think me an idiot if I said, "Hang on, I don't understand your rope and I'm not sure of everything you want me to do. Please explain it carefully before I change positions from this plant?" And the roots let go before you have the chance to open your mouth. Tragic. My tragedy of course but that may not make you feel any better.

The will of the Father is to believe in the son whom he sent. After that its easy. Jesus pointed us to the two commandments of the Father and added his own, "Love one another." That is treat each other as treasures, not a bedroom free-for-all. The essence of love is this: it seeks to please and it will do nothing to negate the joy of the other since it only wants their good. If there are wounds it is only to build the other and not for self gratification or revenge. I say, if there are wounds, because sometimes the truth hurts but ultimately it always heals. You could say, "love one another" means seek the best for each other. That is what Jesus was doing both in actions and in teaching others. So the Father's will is not hard to do.

For example: a young man doing the Father's will, will not say to a young woman, if you love me you'll let me, because he knows that it will lead her to guilt, shame, and possibly condemnation. He doesn't want that for her.
 
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Aside from the miracles, healings, the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Golden Rule, can you explain why what Jesus said, with examples, was good advice or sound moral teaching?
Jesus said: And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire. (Matthew 18:8-9 ESV)

Of course, this instruction only is good advice if you have the ability to recognize rhetorical intent and agree to some underlying premises.
 
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Aside from the miracles, healings, the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Golden Rule, can you explain why what Jesus said, with examples, was good advice or sound moral teaching?

(I posted a similar question in another section but it was aimed at non-believers).

Thanks.

Going back to the original post I decided that it is pretty hard to disseminate Christ from who he was.

I explain, I believed because of something Jesus said, and did and that is the beginning of why what Jesus said was good advice and sound moral teaching. However this includes both miracles and healings, which you have discounted so my witness doesn't stand at this point.

The greatest advice Jesus gave was, repent and believe the gospel [Mark 1:15] because that is the entrance to the kingdom of God and the hope of eternal life. Without changing your mind to believe in Jesus of Nazareth; only son born to God through the womb of a woman; and made the Christ through his sacrificial death; you will not enter the kingdom of God or inherit eternal life, but will remain lost; mortal; corruptible, and without hope. How sad is our end if we will not believe in Jesus Christ!
 
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Combining the idea of Adam walking th garden with God, eating fruit from any tree, but drawing in parallel to Jesus strolling on the Sabbath with His disciples doing the same thing (only it was grain rather than fruit). Observing Jews would say it is unlawful to pick an apple from your garden on a Sabbath to eat it, whereas if it was picked on any other day, it is lawful to take it from the fruit bowl and eat it.

I think a baby sins as soon as it begins demanding from it's mother for example, but that doesn't make it cuplable for the sin. Jesus said "If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have no excuse for their sin". So culpability for sin depends on whether we have acted wrong knowingly, whereas sin is acting wrong, even unknowingly. Just because we don't know that we are acting sinfully, does not mean that someone else doesn't know, because it is sin regardless.

No, He is a living God. You need to obey Him at all times, not just when you read the bible. Jesus said "you diligently study the scriptures, because you think that you have life in them. But the scriptures pint to me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life". You need to know Him. You cannot be justified by any man's interpretation of scripture, not even your own. He is the only one who can justify you, and Christians should point you toward Him.

Pray to God in Jesus' name. Jesus is the only one who has ever truly pleased God. He never let Him down. Jesus said "if any man acknowledges me before others on earth, I will acknwledge him before my father in heaven". The basis of your faith, confidence to approach God, is through knowing that Jesus is your mediator to God. So, yes. Do you remember the story about those Jewish exorcists who tried to exorcise in Jesus' name, but actually did not know Jesus?

Can you please provide the verse that you are referring to here:

even though he says he hasn't come to judge

Hi, one verse would be :-

Matthew 7:13-14- "Go in by the narrow gate. For the wide gate has a broad road which leads to disaster and there are many people going that way. The narrow gate and the hard road lead out into life and only a few are finding it."


another from Matthew :-

10:14-15 - "And if no one will welcome you or even listen to what you have to say, leave that house or town, and once outside it shake off the dust of that place from your feet. Believe me, Sodom and Gomorrah will fare better in the day of judgment than that town."

- unsure whether this means just the townspeople that existed then, or all of them in the future too?

and one more:-

Matthew 10:28 - "Never be afraid of those who can kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul! Far better to stand in awe of the one who has the power to destroy body and soul in the fires of destruction
 
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If you consider matters of life and death it will likely be an excellent idea to believe in a hurry.

Consider that I am hanging by a plant on a cliff face whose roots are about to let go any second. You have lowered a rope with a loop to save me. Wouldn't you think me an idiot if I said, "Hang on, I don't understand your rope and I'm not sure of everything you want me to do. Please explain it carefully before I change positions from this plant?" And the roots let go before you have the chance to open your mouth. Tragic. My tragedy of course but that may not make you feel any better.

The will of the Father is to believe in the son whom he sent. After that its easy. Jesus pointed us to the two commandments of the Father and added his own, "Love one another." That is treat each other as treasures, not a bedroom free-for-all. The essence of love is this: it seeks to please and it will do nothing to negate the joy of the other since it only wants their good. If there are wounds it is only to build the other and not for self gratification or revenge. I say, if there are wounds, because sometimes the truth hurts but ultimately it always heals. You could say, "love one another" means seek the best for each other. That is what Jesus was doing both in actions and in teaching others. So the Father's will is not hard to do.

For example: a young man doing the Father's will, will not say to a young woman, if you love me you'll let me, because he knows that it will lead her to guilt, shame, and possibly condemnation. He doesn't want that for her.

I think the example of the visual metaphor of hanging off a cliff to persuade someone to decide quickly seems like manipulation through fear. If I remember rightly Jesus said something about counting the cost, which would suggest a more thought out response.

'Loving one another' is great ..... not sure how you can love God though???
 
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Jesus said: And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire. (Matthew 18:8-9 ESV)

Of course, this instruction only is good advice if you have the ability to recognize rhetorical intent and agree to some underlying premises.

I don't get this verse, especially recorded for children and families to read. It's so harsh, even if its not meant literally and is off-putting.
 
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I don't get this verse, especially recorded for children and families to read. It's so harsh, even if its not meant literally and is off-putting.


I have always understood this to mean that with the eye temptation of sin begins and with the hand and (or) feet, the sin is committed. So the Lord is telling us to banish sin in thought and (or) action.
 
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I think the example of the visual metaphor of hanging off a cliff to persuade someone to decide quickly seems like manipulation through fear. If I remember rightly Jesus said something about counting the cost, which would suggest a more thought out response.

'Loving one another' is great ..... not sure how you can love God though???

I understand this to mean that it is right and necessary that we love one another by our conscience but without God, we risk being led astray by wrong thoughts and actions. We also cannot claim to love God if we do not love others. Surely this is a struggle in a fallen world.
 
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I think the example of the visual metaphor of hanging off a cliff to persuade someone to decide quickly seems like manipulation through fear. If I remember rightly Jesus said something about counting the cost, which would suggest a more thought out response.

'Loving one another' is great ..... not sure how you can love God though???

lol. I'd hate to tell you, by doing what he commands [Oh, no! We're back there again.]

Actually Jesus said, if you love the son you love the father, and then said, if you love me keep my commandments. This is my commandment that you love one another. See? they are tied to one another. Now all you need to figure out to do is how to love others... like me [sorry, I know that's terribly hard but I am an other].
 
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Aside from the miracles, healings, the parable of the Good Samaritan and the Golden Rule, can you explain why what Jesus said, with examples, was good advice or sound moral teaching?

(I posted a similar question in another section but it was aimed at non-believers).

Thanks.
Well, im recollecting Psalm 82 where Jesus said: "How long will you defend the unjust and show partiality to the wicked? "Selah" Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked."
There is quite a bit to admire here. I appreciate that this is how Jesus (God) feels; the opposite would be unthinkable.
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Luke 9 relates the moment of Jesus' transfiguration. I appreciate that God permitted 3 of his disciples to witness his Glory. I have to respect highly the words spoken by God (here bold).
"As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. Two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem. Peter and his companions were very sleepy, but when they became fully awake, they saw his glory and the two men standing with him. As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, "Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters--one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." (He did not know what he was saying.) While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice came from the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him." When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone. The disciples kept this to themselves, and told no one at that time what they had seen."
 
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Hi, one verse would be :-

Matthew 7:13-14- "Go in by the narrow gate. For the wide gate has a broad road which leads to disaster and there are many people going that way. The narrow gate and the hard road lead out into life and only a few are finding it."


another from Matthew :-

10:14-15 - "And if no one will welcome you or even listen to what you have to say, leave that house or town, and once outside it shake off the dust of that place from your feet. Believe me, Sodom and Gomorrah will fare better in the day of judgment than that town."

- unsure whether this means just the townspeople that existed then, or all of them in the future too?

and one more:-

Matthew 10:28 - "Never be afraid of those who can kill the body but are powerless to kill the soul! Far better to stand in awe of the one who has the power to destroy body and soul in the fires of destruction
Hi, I think you have read my question to mean I was asking for proof that He will judge. I actually wanted to know what scriptures you have seen that indicate He has not come to judge. The reason I ask is that it is a very clear theme that He has come to judge.
 
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Hi, I think you have read my question to mean I was asking for proof that He will judge. I actually wanted to know what scriptures you have seen that indicate He has not come to judge. The reason I ask is that it is a very clear theme that He has come to judge.


Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.


Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 
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