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I am so angry. I been refused a place at healing school because they want a psychiatrist report. I have left mental health services. God told me not to go back to them as secular psychology not of God and was sin in my life. So I apply to healing school for deliverance only to be told NO.
I feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall. My physical health is very poor and I want to pray and fast but am too sick physically right now. Flu but also issues with malnutrition (ED history) and therefore run down. If God wants me to live a holy life then why roadblocks in my way?
 

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Which healing school did you apply to, if you don't mind me asking? There are audio recordings available often on the internet - Pastoral Care Ministries (Leanne Payne) and McLean Ministries (Clay and Mary McLean) are two you could look up - They conduct healing schools and record them - you may be able to download some of their seminars.
 
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You're sounding like me. I know this was posted back in October and it is now April, but I am confused and frustrated when it comes to God's will as well. I feel like I have a certain future (calling, purpose, destiny, passion etc.) yet no one cooperates. If Go is asking me to fulfill my calling why are doors slamming in my face instead of opening? I don't like getting what seem like mixed messages. Since God does not send mixed messages, however, I stand in faith for His will to be done. With God's kingdom and His name being on the line, it makes me wonder while He's allowing so called Christians to act contrary to His will. It just doesn't make sense!!!:confused:
 
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I have left mental health services. God told me not to go back to them as secular psychology not of God and was sin in my life.

Personally I don't think it is a sin to have secular therapy and seriously doubt that God would tell you to stop having therapy because it is a "sin". I do know some strict Fundamentalist churches frown on psychiatry and psychology and I suspect what you think is the voice of God is really false feelings of guilt due to past spiritual abuse. Anyway I hope you are doing better now and will be praying for you.*hugs*
 
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It depends what people mean by 'secular therapy'. Some christians of strict fundamentalist leanings are heavily against nearly all psychology as you say. But others are too uncritical of the presuppositions of many secular psychologies. Churches sometimes offer a form of counselling that known as spiritual formation in Christ and spiritual direction.

I do think christians are best talking to a christian counsellor / psychiatrist, that understands soul-care, and spiritual warfare.
 
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I don't like getting what seem like mixed messages. Since God does not send mixed messages, however, I stand in faith for His will to be done. With God's kingdom and His name being on the line, it makes me wonder while He's allowing so called Christians to act contrary to His will. It just doesn't make sense!!!:confused:

Perhaps if Gods will is all about doing this thing or that thing, and not about who we are becoming, maturity, sanctification, serving in some small way at times. I have learnt not to expect direct guidance, but that wisdom needs cultivated most of the time.
 
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It depends what people mean by 'secular therapy'. Some christians of strict fundamentalist leanings are heavily against nearly all psychology as you say. But others are too uncritical of the presuppositions of many secular psychologies. Churches sometimes offer a form of counselling that known as spiritual formation in Christ and spiritual direction.

I do think christians are best talking to a christian counsellor / psychiatrist, that understands soul-care, and spiritual warfare.

I agree that Christians are better talking to Christian counsellors and that secular counselling can be problematic sometimes. However strict Fundamentalists often oppose even Christian psychology. The main issue is that the secularists tend to leave out the spiritual side of things including spiritual warfare and tend to think that everything can be explained by "mental illness". However I don't believe it is a sin for a Christian to see a secular counsellor.
 
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Thanks neither do I, but it is a question of is the counselling really helping alongside christian faith and scripture?

Counselling needs to be removing blockages so a person can read scripture and draw sustenance from it. If a person is convinced (whether rightly or wrongly) its a sin and if they have talked it through with someone whose wisdom they trust, is it not then its best to move towards looking elsewhere for help?

Seeking help from a counsellor is not a sin. But secular in my experience have been limited in resources they can mostly only help restore some equanimity and stability when someone is finding the going tough.

I find also whether one thinks they are hearing God pretty well (I grew up desperately trying to listen) I need to take a time out to discern were thoughts are coming from. Really I find God is patient and he does understand if someone has difficulties discerning his leading.

Its best then to confirm anything that seems like direct guidence by talking over what God seems to be saying with and older wiser christian, who knows you fairly well.

But one really needs to prayerfully search. If a psychiatrist's report is needed its best to write a short note to one's doctor and ask if that can be forwarded.

Ask a few questions if you can is my view, before getting into psychotherapy. If they seem to not be answering straighforwardly or always deflecting questions then decide if at that point if you want to keep going in that direction. They should be able to answer a few questions about the therapy that will give you clues as to their overall approach and whether to begin.
 
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Some Christians take faith too far into the realm of extremism. Some Word of Faith preachers act like they don't take aspirin for headaches, and they act as if its faithless and fearful to seek any medical help. This seems to contradict the love that i read about in scripture though. Not that Word of faith preachers lack love necessarily, just that their idea of faith is flawed in my opinion. Love is supposed to be compassionate and merciful, its supposed to uphold the weak as well. I feel a strong sense of weakness, brokenness, humbleness and compassion being preached when i read the New testament scriptures. AS if we are supposed to have humbleness of mind and consider others as better than ourselves, and when one member suffers the whole body suffers with it. The body does not accuse that weak member of being weak in faith. It instead strengthens that members faith through edification. This edification is done through humbleness of mind, lowering itself to the weakness of the member. THis way the member gains strength by joining in fellowship, in oneness with the body, instead of being separated by it with condemnation.

We are supposed to look toward heaven for the Lord and not look on earth. The scriptures teach us that we have died in Christ, and if we are risen then our life is now hidden in Christ, in heaven. We are supposed to look for our mortal bodies to be replaced by immortal ones. As Paul said, we groan, waiting for mortality to be swallowed up by immortality. Does this make sense to anyone? In other words, this world is not my home. I belong in heaven, and no matter what unavoidable suffering may come my way, no matter what hardship i may face, I must look to heaven not earth. That to me is real faith. Faith isn't just about miracles. IT's about perseverance. Faith is about following the Lord, bearing our cross, seeking heaven not earth. We follow the Lord and he has died and been risen, he now sits in heaven. We bear our cross as well, and we walk in love too. Thats the faith i learned from scripture. It may not fill the church pews, but it will give hope when hope is needed. The Gospel is about Hope.
 
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