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You are telling God how to define his grace. That takes chutspah.

You can quote all the verses about initial justification you want. It doesn't make the verses about our ongoing walk disappear.

No, I'm showing you how God defines His grace. Grace is grace. There in no such thing as "initial justification" or "initial grace", it's just something you made up.
 
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You can have my wages, I do not want them. I like the free gift much better. Romans 6:23

You can no obligate nor manipulate God.

When you tell God at the judgment you kept the law (commandments), He will present the evidence you did not and pass the sentence demanded of the law. I would say retirement is going to be slightly warmer than the tropical paradise.
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I started this thread because I was sickened by a reply in another thread that was an example of "cheap grace." I deliberately did not paste it here, because I think it might violate flaming rules. I'm sure you know the sort of posts I'm referring to.

TRUE grace is never cheap. I'm referring to the fantasy that some Christians have of God's forgiveness without repentance; repentance meaning turning back to God's way, a way of obedience, faithfulness, etc.
please post examples fro the forum!
 
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Respectfully, The Frog is on point, in that no one is presenting that grace is cheap.(Grace is precious and valuable in that it cost Jesus His life.)
What does the scripture teach on this subject?
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Those scriptures above teach: We're saved by God's grace through (the working of) faith. Not by "good works" or any action on our part. Grace is a FREE gift from God, so no man can claim any part of it.

Eph 2:10 explains that; Once saved by grace, God's plan ordains the believers to the ministry (works).
Thanks bro! And high time we seek facts, not accusations, and diatribes!
 
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I don't keep the law for salvation. I keep the law out of obedience. See the difference?
I would llike to SEE this ever elusive, so called "cheap grace" here on our forum,. you posted it. We want to SEE it!
 
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Oh, froggie doesn't like that one.
dear sis, i have been beat up for the gospel, so never presume that i don't have scars to prove it. The frog can boast in his works, but does not,

Gal 6:17 From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.
 
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What do you mean Grace for the journey?
Our Christian life doesn't end with our salvation. Repentance means we have returned to God's way, that we now walk with God. It is a way of life. There is a ton of verses that talk about this (froggie are yu paying attention?):
  • For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do goodworks, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Eph 2:10
  • What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? James 2:14-26
  • In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Matt 5:16
  • First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. Acts 26:20
  • but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. 1 Tim 2:10
  • Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 1 Tim 6:18
  • And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds Hebrews 10:24
  • to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up Eph 4;12
  • Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedienceto the law. Acts 21:24
  • Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith for his name’s sake. Romans 1:5
  • Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice because of you Romans 16:19
  • so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith Romans 16:26
  • Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. 2 Cor 9:13
  • And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. 2 John 1:6
To walk this Christian walk of good works and obedience, we cannot do it on our own. It takes the grace of God. Thus we speak of GRACE FOR THE JOURNEY.
 
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No, I'm showing you how God defines His grace. Grace is grace. There in no such thing as "initial justification" or "initial grace", it's just something you made up.
Not at all. I'm not that brilliant. I learned the terms by reading the Catholic Lutheran Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification that was issued in 2000. It was a watershed in Church history; you really should read it, as it heals the whole faith/works disagreement between Catholics and Lutherans.
 
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no, don't worry you said it, please post it, thanks!
you really want to get me disciplined don't you. I thought you cared.

I don't believe for a second you need a quote. You know very well of what I speak, so stop trying to get me into trouble.
 
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you really want to get me disciplined don't you. I thought you cared.

I don't believe for a second you need a quote. You know very well of what I speak, so stop trying to get me into trouble.
I am not looking for trouble, this is a debate section, where we looking for facts, something you do not post, said with all due respect.
 
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How many times have I heard some Christians complain that they are against "works salvation" by which they mean they don't want a Christian faith that demands anything of them???
We all know that they've misunderstood the concept of Sola Fide, just as devotees of "Works Righteousness" have done, but from the opposite angle.
 
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well gosh, you started a thread, and so far it is the MOST unsubstantiated thread I have ever seen!
Oh balogna. There have been examples of cheap grace posts just since we've started the thread and you know very well which ones they are. I don't need to put my status in danger to appease you, so stop being so selfish.
 
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How many times have I heard some Christians complain that they are against "works salvation" by which they mean they don't want a Christian faith that demands anything of them??? I have news for them. Christ demands EVERYTHING of us. OUR VERY LIVES are to be a living sacrifice unto him. That said, how can you complain about God asking our obedience, our faithfulness, our good works? "For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works" Eph 2:10. Yes, we are saved by Grace, but not a cheap grace!

I am not entirely sure what you are objecting to. I have come across people who advocate "Once Saved Always Saved" (OSAS) and some of them do appear to mean that once one has said the sinner's prayer in sincerity then one is eternally saved regardless of the kind of life one lives thereafter but most of those who have said that do not live lives of flagrant sin and do not appear to encourage anybody else to do so. And since grace is free it is of necessity "cheap" for the recipient even though it cost the Lord Jesus Christ his life to obtain grace for the fallen children of Adam.
can you show any posts here that are "cheap grace"?

Actually that phrase is an oxymoron, because grace can't be cheap, it is the power of God.
I've met a number of people in online chats who do expressly say that OSAS means that even complete apostasy lasting until the death of the apostate cannot deprive the 'saved' of their salvation. That does sound like a case of personal crossless christianity insofar as those saying it seem to think that one need not take up his cross and follow the Lord.
 
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