Dinosuars and men coexisted

lismore · May 25, 2015

jesse100 said:
I'm not sure why there is this "young earth" litmus test for being a Bible believer. Surely man has only been here a short time but that wouldn't mean that creation doesn't have to be only as old. .

Hello

I haven't met you before (I don't think) so welcome to the forums!

Man is part of that same creation. God created in six days and rested on the seventh. One creation, no gaps.

Why is young earth a litmus test? For the reason that the Lord himself, from his own mouth said that in six (literal) days (24 hour periods) he created the heavens, the earth and all that is in them and rested on the seventh.

For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy (Exodus 20:11)

The creation week is the very basis of our seven day week. No separate creation between Monday and Tuesday, no thousand year gap on Monday night, no apes turning into people.

God Bless You.

HonestTruth · May 26, 2015

The Bible indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day - the question then becomes how were the first three days measured if the sun wasn't created as they supposedly transpired?

Science clearly shows the earth is billions of years old. There just is no logical proof to refute that.

Alithis · May 26, 2015

If you believe god then you will believe his word.
dinosaurs lived in the time of man.

HonestTruth said:
The Bible indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day - the question then becomes how were the first three days measured if the sun wasn't created as they supposedly transpired?

Science clearly shows the earth is billions of years old. There just is no logical proof to refute that.

after all ,there is no logical scientific proof of the existence of God either .yet He is .

did the earth not rotate? is the presence of God not light ? is not the new jerusalem lighted by the presence of the lamb of God ?

and you ignore your own science in which you have such faith it seems .which has now shown that logicly dinosaurs lived only 1800 years ago and is why the asian people carved them in stone and why they are now finding dino' bones with soft tissue in them .. nope the word of God is sure and true and he is faithful to it .. the word of man is erroneous and flawed and the theories of evolution are rooted in the concept that "there is no God " thus declaring themselves to be fools .

the just shall live by FAITH not by sight . what the eye can observe is fact.. but facts can be changed to submit to the truth ..
if we cannot beleive God and take him at his word in one matter then how can we truly say we believe
him in any thing he says? doubt at any level in any measure is but unbelief . .. he is either truth ..or he is not .. we know he is .
it is time to cats off the word of the spirit of this world and trust in Gods word alone .faith in his word NOT in what we think we see.

lismore · May 26, 2015

HonestTruth said:
The Bible indicates that the sun was created on the fourth day - the question then becomes how were the first three days measured if the sun wasn't created as they supposedly transpired?

Science clearly shows the earth is billions of years old. There just is no logical proof to refute that.

Places like Iceland and Alaska have no sunlight for several months of the year. I have yet to hear that the Icelanders can't tell the difference between a day and a thousand years

No, those who can't tell the difference between a day and a thousand years are people trying to fuse the gospel together with old earth theory or evolution theory. Theories are not proof.

In Exodus 20:11 the Lord says that the seven days of creation were days in the same manner that the days of our week are days. End of debate.

Don't forget the context of Exodus 20. 'And God spoke all these words' (Exodus 20:1).

Perhaps you need to lecture God on the opinions of atheistic scientists then?

God Bless

Rose_bud · May 28, 2015

jesse100 said:
I'm not saying God didn't create (or re-create) in six literal days but maybe there is something to the difference between what is said in v. 1 and then beginning in v. 2 of Genesis 1. What is the fall of Satan caused massive upheaval in this solar system? I make no doctrine out of such things but it is something to consider.

I just think there is as much guess work and "theories" involved in trying to explain a young earth as there is in the science community trying to explain existence through evolution. My point is why quibble and turn off unbelievers with such.

Hi

I dont see anything amiss between verse 1 and 2. But I suppose, we all try to sometimes to answer our what ifs...But what if we just take the Word for what it is... All I know is that the time of Noah was a catastrophic event, it was the very first time, the heavens gave rain and the foundations of the earth were broken up...I know conditions have to be "right" for fossils to form in order for it not to decay and waste away.

Im also going to admit that I havent given any other theory as much though.. as this just made sense.. so Im know expert on new earth, old earth... but Ive stuck to what I read in the Word and what I was taught.

Alithis · May 28, 2015

I'm not saying God didn't create (or re-create) in six literal days but maybe there is something to the difference between what is said in v. 1 and then beginning in v. 2 of Genesis 1. What is the fall of Satan caused massive upheaval in this solar system? I make no doctrine out of such things but it is something to consider.

I just think there is as much guess work and "theories" involved in trying to explain a young earth as there is in the science community trying to explain existence through evolution. My point is why quibble and turn off unbelievers with such.

Rose_bud said:
Hi

I dont see anything amiss between verse 1 and 2. But I suppose, we all try to sometimes to answer our what ifs...But what if we just take the Word for what it is... All I know is that the time of Noah was a catastrophic event, it was the very first time, the heavens gave rain and the foundations of the earth were broken up...I know conditions have to be "right" for fossils to form in order for it not to decay and waste away.

Im also going to admit that I havent given any other theory as much though.. as this just made sense.. so Im know expert on new earth, old earth... but Ive stuck to what I read in the Word and what I was taught.

and it cannot turn unbelievers off anything .. unbelievers are so by sinful will they refuse to believe ,believing means repentance, it means being accountable for the state of ones heart , the entire theory of evolution and its biased science has been formed by demonic influence to deny God .. mingling these demonic teachings with the bible to come up with a half truth ..is nothing more then making God half a liar . and to what ? appease some of be accepted by the world ?

most science is ,as we know time and time again , later proved to be an incorrect observation and an incorrect conclusion of that incorrect observation -
to steer it back to the Op topic .. once they told us dinosaurs lived 65 million years ago - now they have found stone carving of the stegosaurus in asian temples dating back only 1800 years (embarrassing for them ) and now they are finding more and more cases of soft tissue in dino bones .. conclusion- thier(science) past observations and conclusions and dating systems are ridiculously and embarrassingly flawed .
dinosaurs lived along with man ,they were once called dragons and a variation of titles .

the word of God is true and faithful and he is true and faithful to it because it is HIS word and god is not a man that he can lie ..

just because we cannot comprehend "how" he does what he does or did what he did is not reason to cast of his word i favor or mere mortal man's words .
the just shall live by FAITH not by sight .

its time people repented of mingling faith with what amounts to simple direct unbelief .

HonestTruth · May 28, 2015

lismore said:
Places like Iceland and Alaska have no sunlight for several months of the year. I have yet to hear that the Icelanders can't tell the difference between a day and a thousand years No, those who can't tell the difference between a day and a thousand years are people trying to fuse the gospel together with old earth theory or evolution theory. Theories are not proof.

In Exodus 20:11 the Lord says that the seven days of creation were days in the same manner that the days of our week are days. End of debate.

Don't forget the context of Exodus 20. 'And God spoke all these words' (Exodus 20:1).

Perhaps you need to lecture God on the opinions of atheistic scientists then?

God Bless

We do not know how time had passed from the time of the creation (or re-creation). The Judeo-Christian tradition teaches that all this took place roughly 6000 years ago. But does the Bible actually teach this?

Genesis 1:26,27 refers to the creation of man.

Genesis 2:4 refers to entire "generations" of human life along with the heavens and earth as having transpired.

Only after all this was Adam created in Gen 2:7.

How many generations passed from the time of the earth's creation and mankind's initial creation to the birth of Adam? We are not told. It could have been tens of thousands. But Christianity does not teach this.

Therefore, in view of these biblical verses, there is no actual basis for believing that the world is only 6000 years old.

Alithis · May 28, 2015

HonestTruth said:
We do not know how time had passed from the time of the creation (or re-creation). The Judeo-Christian tradition teaches that all this took place roughly 6000 years ago. But does the Bible actually teach this?

Genesis 1:26,27 refers to the creation of man.

Genesis 2:4 refers to entire "generations" of human life along with the heavens and earth as having transpired.

Only after all this was Adam created in Gen 2:7.

How many generations passed from the time of the earth's creation and mankind's initial creation to the birth of Adam? We are not told. It could have been tens of thousands. But Christianity does not teach this.

Therefore, in view of these biblical verses, there is no actual basis for believing that the world is only 6000 years old.

but there is through the entire scripture full basis to believe the word of God and not lean on one's own understanding .

these are the generations of the heaven and the earth .. or this is the generating ?nothing to do with times and peoples . interesting isn't it . you see if you interpret it your way .. then God fully contradicts himself (that's impossible ) so if god appears to contradict himself - then your viewing it incorrectly -
i'll go with what GOD has stated plain and simple ..
you see he also said " except you become as little children you will not enter the kingdom of heaven - because mans fickle reasoning and self deceived mind and heart that is wicked and deceitful above all things .. will only reason away the one thing we must have in GOD - FAITH!

and this is essentially not a thread on young earth .. it is a thread about the now known topic that dinosaurs lived WITH men .. not before man . and the word of God states it to be so Also .

HonestTruth · May 28, 2015

generations or generating?

the answer is here:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8435&t=KJV

descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies
1. account of men and their descendants
  1. genealogical list of one's descendants
  2. one's contemporaries
  3. course of history (of creation etc)
2. begetting or account of heaven (metaph)

Obviously it is a historical account of creations PRIOR to the creation of Adam. As I mentioned above tens of thousands of generations may have transpired before Adam was created. Indeed, science has shown that generations of hominids existed well before Adam's purported birth. Therefore, being a child or child like is no solution here. Open mindedness and active study of what the Bible and science teach will be far more beneficial to people.

ToBeLoved · May 28, 2015

Alithis said:
I just think there is as much guess work and "theories" involved in trying to explain a young earth as there is in the science community trying to explain existence through evolution. My point is why quibble and turn off unbelievers with such.

Is this where the dinosaurs come in during the time of Job? There were all kinds of other people on the earth at that time, the Egyptians for one. Did the Egyptians ever see dinosaurs?

HonestTruth · May 28, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Is this where the dinosaurs come in during the time of Job? There were all kinds of other people on the earth at that time, the Egyptians for one. Did the Egyptians ever see dinosaurs?

Human bones and preserved bodies have been recovered in archeology research - many with their digestive tracts fully preserved. To this day not one human body has ever been found to have dinosaur parts within his/her digestive system.

ToBeLoved · May 28, 2015

HonestTruth said:
Human bones and preserved bodies have been recovered in archeology research - many with their digestive tracts fully preserved. To this day not one human body has ever been found to have dinosaur parts within his/her digestive system.

Those Egyptians! lol

Alithis · May 28, 2015

HonestTruth said:
Human bones and preserved bodies have been recovered in archeology research - many with their digestive tracts fully preserved. To this day not one human body has ever been found to have dinosaur parts within his/her digestive system.

probably they did not have wombat parts in them either -- so that proves nothing . but the word of God states that he made them "along with man" so i'll take Gods word over science any day .
i happen to believe GOD ..not based on what the eye can see but by FAITH .

Alithis · May 28, 2015

ToBeLoved said:
Is this where the dinosaurs come in during the time of Job? There were all kinds of other people on the earth at that time, the Egyptians for one. Did the Egyptians ever see dinosaurs?

ok ok so go back and note that you have quoted me quoting some one else .. and made it look like i said it but you've misread .

and yes, though it is argued back and forth by those who reeeeally do not want evolution to be proven wrong( that extreme bias again ) .Egyptian hieroglyph do depict dinosaur type creatures .-go figure

Alithis · May 28, 2015

HonestTruth said:
generations or generating?

the answer is here:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8435&t=KJV

descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies

account of men and their descendants

genealogical list of one's descendants

one's contemporaries

course of history (of creation etc)

begetting or account of heaven (metaph)

Obviously it is a historical account of creations PRIOR to the creation of Adam. As I mentioned above tens of thousands of generations may have transpired before Adam was created. Indeed, science has shown that generations of hominids existed well before Adam's purported birth. Therefore, being a child or child like is no solution here. Open mindedness and active study of what the Bible and science teach will be far more beneficial to people.

really ? are you sure ? or is it just what yolu have been told ?
and Adam can be quiet accurately traced by biblical account back 6000 years .. where are all these other peoples remains ? as some of them also would only be 6000 years old ..
hmm you see. mans carnal minds reasoning(which is at enmity with GOD ), only ever sows doubt and uncertainty and unbelief

i still stand on what God has said because of we cannot take him at his word .. then, we cannot take him at his word !

HonestTruth · May 28, 2015

If it is true that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then "generations" is to be accepted. But how many generations went by before Adam was created is unknown.

Alithis · May 29, 2015

HonestTruth said:
If it is true that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then "generations" is to be accepted. But how many generations went by before Adam was created is unknown.

According to the word of God. None. There were no men formed /created before Adam . every thing ever presented on the topic is based on folks imginations because the carnal mind cant figure out sone aspects of Gods word.so they make stuff up to fill the gaps. That aint faith.

Rose_bud · May 29, 2015

HonestTruth said:
If it is true that the Bible is the inspired word of God, then "generations" is to be accepted. But how many generations went by before Adam was created is unknown.

Not If it is true... It is true that the Bible is the inspired word of God

SkyWriting · May 29, 2015

Alithis said:
Dinosaurs and men coexisted

sure its a topic of a differing type for this forum and it will challenge "faith"
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that is to say it will challenge in whom our faith truly stands .

Pay no attention to such bologna. All past stories are taken on faith or are Science-Fiction.
Time is too short to battle over what story tellers say about the past.

Alithis · May 29, 2015

HonestTruth said:
generations or generating?

the answer is here:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8435&t=KJV

descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies

account of men and their descendants

genealogical list of one's descendants

one's contemporaries

course of history (of creation etc)

begetting or account of heaven (metaph)

Obviously it is a historical account of creations PRIOR to the creation of Adam. As I mentioned above tens of thousands of generations may have transpired before Adam was created. Indeed, science has shown that generations of hominids existed well before Adam's purported birth. Therefore, being a child or child like is no solution here. Open mindedness and active study of what the Bible and science teach will be far more beneficial to people.

Actually it says these are the generations of the heavens and the earth. and the it lays out a summary of it. Repeating what has already been stated but with the focus on man.it in no way what so ever states man was created before man. so there is nothing obvious about it -it could not be more ambiguous....its sci fi ! there is simply no clear scripture to base such wild conjecture on . you have to bend it twist it stretch it and it still wont fit .

Dinosuars and men coexisted

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