Vatican Secretary of State: Ireland Referendum "A Defeat for Humanity"

pdudgeon said:

as to a date when it is supposed to happen, that's already been covered in the Bible. No man knows the date, or else, sinful or not, they would be prepared ahead of time.

As to marking your calendar, that would be helpful only to keep record of when these rebellions against God happen, in order to view them as a whole and to see if they are increasing in frequency, duration, and intensity in the same manner as a woman's labor in childbirth does.

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If we are gonna derail this thread into a discussion about eschatology, Ya'll realize that Matt 24, The Book of Revelation, etc, are primarily urgent warnings to their original audience about the then pending AD70 destruction of Jerusalem, right?

LivingWordUnity said:

The ones who call it "Islamophobia" to be afraid of Sharia law.

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No, no, no. I see people say they aren't afraid of it being implemented in the Untied States and the few religious courts setup where Muslims go to have civil matters resolved are no threat to the legal system. There are rabbinic courts setup by Jews for the same purpose and only antisemitism causes issues with them. I think most people who aren't Muslims would oppose it becoming the ruling law of the United States.

LivingWordUnity said:

The ones who call it "Islamophobia" to be afraid of Sharia law.

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Well, that's totally different from what you just said, but Please point me to a quote or two, will ya?

Where an actual liberal with a name says "islamophobia is being afraid of sharia law"


Actually, you'll need more than one to bolster your original claim that "liberals have no problem with Sharia Law"... that statement is broad. Back it up with facts or retract it.

pdudgeon said:

lol i did read it, but that doesn't change the outcome or my answer.
Whether there is Sharia law or not has no bearing on God's omnipotence.
Whether Christians are subjected to Sharia law also has no bearing on God's omnipotence.

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He asked how you would feel about being subjected to shari'a law or similar. Not how it would effect God.

LivingWordUnity said:

The odd thing is that liberals say that they have no problem with Sharia law despite the fact that homosexuals are actually sentenced to death by it. They don't seem to mind that Muslims put homosexuals to death, but they have a problem with Christians merely stating that homosexuality is a sin. It seems that to them offending someone is worse than killing them.

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Are these the straw liberals in your head, or... what?

LivingWordUnity said:

The odd thing is that liberals say that they have no problem with Sharia law....

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If you behave like this everywhere, I have a feeling I understand why you're unable to land a minimum wage job or that your professors take issue with you. You have been asked a very direct question about who these people are and you're waffling instead of directly answering. That sort of behavior doesn't exactly inspire trust.

Since I was one, I'll answer despite this thread becoming an encircling by the liberal clique. No obviously, despite seeing a Catholic theocracy as good I would not want a Muslim or even a protestant theocracy.

There is good and there is evil. Should we say the millennial kingdom of God is equal too Satan ruling through the AntiChrist?

Armoured said:

He asked how you would feel about being subjected to shari'a law or similar. Not how it would effect God.

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Since you've asked, (and only since you did ask) I'll respond by saying that I've already answered that question in my own life.

I went through two real life experiences while in high school where I was falsely accused in public in front of my peers by people in authority.
In both cases the accusations were false, and they were driven by hatred. Also in both cases I had the proof that the accusations were false in my possession.
I remained silent.
My justification comes in heaven, not on this earth.

FlaviusAetius said:

Since I was one, I'll answer despite this thread becoming an encircling by the liberal clique. No obviously, despite seeing a Catholic theocracy as good I would not want a Muslim or even a protestant theocracy.

There is good and there is evil. Should we say the millennial kingdom of God is equal too Satan ruling through the AntiChrist?

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You're still missing the point, although I commend your giving of a straight answer.

The point is, if you wouldn't like living under any sort of theocracy other than your preferred brand, why should anyone else, e.g. Muslims, Hindus, atheists, whatever?

pdudgeon said:

Since you've asked, (and only since you did ask) I'll respond by saying that I've already answered that question in my own life.

I went through two real life experiences while in high school where I was falsely accused in public in front of my peers by people in authority.
In both cases the accusations were false, and they were driven by hatred. Also in both cases I had the proof that the accusations were false in my possession.
I remained silent.
My justification comes in heaven, not on this earth.

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... o...kay...?

When I was in high school I played tennis but I wasn't all that good at it. I'll let you extrapolate my feelings about Sharia law from that.

pdudgeon said:

Since you've asked, (and only since you did ask) I'll respond by saying that I've already answered that question in my own life.

I went through two real life experiences while in high school where I was falsely accused in public in front of my peers by people in authority.
In both cases the accusations were false, and they were driven by hatred. Also in both cases I had the proof that the accusations were false in my possession.
I remained silent.
My justification comes in heaven, not on this earth.

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So if you were accused of murder, you wouldn't hire a lawyer and would refuse to plead in court? I'm not really sure what this story is supposed to indicate...

parousia70 said:

What Liberals say this?

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Karen Armstrong is a good example of this kind of liberal.
In terms of CF Catholics, Steve Bakr is a very good example of the kind of liberal that gives such glowing review of Islam.

Calm down folks, there's no need to get snippy. Let's stay on topic to the subject of the thread, rather than going off on personal tangents.

*This isn't directed at a particular poster, nor is it a mod hat. I'm just saying, the thread is going a bad way.

Giving rights to same sex partners for visitation, inheritance and even custody in some cases seems fine with me. Everyone should have equal rights.

What I don't see right is to bring the subject to young people into schools that being homo-sexual is a normal way of living.
That it's to me, anti-Christian indoctrination to our children.

Another point I see absolutely wrong is to force a minister or a Christian to partake on a same sex wedding ( Calling the denial, discrimination and punishing it by law).

No Christian church can lead a same sex marriage and be okay with the scriptures. It's either to obey God or obey the government.
Obviously, a true Christian will obey God first and pay for it.

That type of practice is a clear persecution against the church of Christ.

I don't believe that homosexuals who are good people, which many of them are would be happy with going against the church.

Another point that many people do not talk about is that the bible does not condemn to be born on certain way. The bible talks about Eunuch and Sodomites. And, Sodomites can be either homosexuals or heterosexuals. The bible does not condemn someone who is born eunuch, but the one who turn himself into a Sodomite rejecting the way of nature.

Catholic moral truths are not just true in the sense that transgressing them will leave to perdition in the next life. Indeed, heaven and hell are not even designed to be reward systems for good and bad behavior, or karmic fulfillment.
The Catholic truth about marriage is that to transgress the laws that govern our sexuality is to place humanity in mortal danger.
While there may well be some among us who find that sexuality has very little effect on their own lives, for many if not most of the rest of us, it can only be noted just how powerful an effect that our sexuality has on us. It is no trifling thing and it can carry us off onto many varied and idiocentric pathways.
Much of what we find personally fulfilling and exciting in terms of sexuality is not so fulfilling or beneficial to humanity as a whole. Ultimately society and humanity exist only as a result of our individual expressions of sexuality being constrained and directed into socially beneficial directions, in order to create the strong families and personal relationships that alone are capable of generating children.
Sacramental marriage generates such children in the image of God. Marriage so defined is a Catholic marriage, and it is catholic in the sense that it applies to everybody. When men and women enter into such marriages, this is what can be defined as a victory for humanity, for God even.
Everything else is disordered to one extent or another, and when a society embarks on such a path, that society is only endangering itself.
Sexuality is a very powerful matter. It alone can bond society together, but if defined incorrectly, it is also capable of tearing us asunder.
That, I think, is what this churchman is describing as a defeat for humanity.

LoAmmi said:

So if you were accused of murder, you wouldn't hire a lawyer and would refuse to plead in court? I'm not really sure what this story is supposed to indicate...

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since it's meaning has been hidden from you, i will let it remain so.

pdudgeon said:

whether i am accused either directly or indirectly of murder remains to be seen. (interesting that you should choose that accusation) but my friends have already said that they would stand by me and be willing to swear to my innocence in a court of law. They have already done so to other friends.

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Bad plan. If you are accused of that get a lawyer and do what they say.

LivingWordUnity said:

That's not how it works. We don't appear before God to defend our position. God judges us, and we accept His judgment.

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And you would know how the actual process works,

how, exactly ?

Or are you the in heaven's DA office ?