What happens in a divorce?
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That is NOT what He said. He was NOT speaking English; probably either Aramaic or a dialect of Hebrew. It came down to us in Koine Greek where the word is "inappropriate contentia." More than likely He used the word "ervah" which is from Deut 24.1 and is often rendered "indecency" or "uncleanness."
Actually, the sages of the day (or prevous generation) argued over what it meant. Shammai said it meant that the husband found his wife to not be a virgin on their wedding night. Hillel (grandfather of Paul's mentor Gameliel) said if she continually burned his meals. (i.e. "any reason") When the Pharisees asked that using the term "any reason" it shows the debate was still going on between their respective followers.
Jesus could NEVER teach contrary to the Law of Moses. As a Jewish male, to do so would have been a sin worthy of death. So his teachings had to absolutely uphold Deut 24.1.
As to "other ways" of being immoral - of course there are. Including having sex during menses. Or shortly after giving birth.
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Well, being sexually immoral is another word for being indecent. And it is unclean. Just because I read the bible in english translation doesnt mean Jesus didnt mean what he said.
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Also, God did spare David for committing adultery (and murder) although bathshebas son died.
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With mental illness can you give me an example. I know some are very hard to handle but there is always help for that.
With inappropriate content, someone who doesnt want sex ever, maybe they gay or something. Yes thats a problem. Married couples should be married and be having relations with each other, not the tv, a magazine, or someone of the same sex. Or someone outside of it.
With inappropriate content, someone who doesnt want sex ever, maybe they gay or something. Yes thats a problem. Married couples should be married and be having relations with each other, not the tv, a magazine, or someone of the same sex. Or someone outside of it.
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Husbands ought to know when to be with their wife and what time of the month to leave them alone. I think it be very annoying if married and expected to have sex all the time, or forced to.
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Oh no! Yes be very difficult to be married to someone who thinks they want to kill you. They might not have known this when got married though.
Other mental illnesses i think can be coped with. Like some people prone to depression. Which seems to be classified as a mental illness. But that doesnt mean they dont love you.
Other mental illnesses i think can be coped with. Like some people prone to depression. Which seems to be classified as a mental illness. But that doesnt mean they dont love you.
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OCD seems to be the big thing these days. Its like the hoarders program as well, which is a kind of OCD or is it phobia? Very difficult to be married to someone obssessed with STUFF.
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And of course God wouldnt want us to be married to a psychopath or a pimp. That wouldnt be marriage, be bondage. Some might try and trick you into marrying though, which is why its not a good idea to marry so young. To someone you barely know.
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You say that is not what Jesus Said. Well, then what DID Jesus say? In every scripture I found in the Bible where Jesus talks about divorce He says sexual immorality. How can you say "more than likely" he used a certain word without offering up scripture from the Bible, or other accepted source, to show what He 'could have' said.
The Bible has been around for over a millennial and has plenty enough time, and scrutiny, for any erroneously translated words to have been corrected by now.
Matthew 19:8-9 KJV
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your
wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery .
The scripture above proves that Jesus could, and did, contradict the Law of Moses by correcting it and explaining His correction by stating "and I say unto you," which means that what He was saying was all that was needed to know.
Please don't think I'm picking on anybody, but we have a lot of questionable doctrines floating around today by well meaning people that are based on the premise that something else was 'meant' in the Bible because somebody couldn't possibly have said/done something that they did say/do.
I'm open to learning everything I can from the Bible that is of sound doctrine from anybody, but I'd like it to be presented in the light of authoritative documentation.
Blessings,
Alan
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I saw a great explanation from a man who knew a girl who was married to an abusive agressive man and she wanted to divorce but the elders said she should stay and then he shot and killed her. In the O.T. you could divorce if you didn't get the basics he said, food, love and clothes or something and Jesus didn't say that didn't count anymore, He just answered the question that you could divorce when she wasn't a virgin or with something unclean and not just for any reason. So with abuse they were protected.
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If a person is abusive and aggressive it is likely they abusive and aggressive sexually. Fornication is not making love to your spouse, its just horrible sex.
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Well, those are good reasons to divorce, but with the finances I'm suspecting people divorcing cos they selfish and want their own, they don't want to share anymore. Which they vowed to do.
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And that's very hard for the children. To have parents who just don't talk to each other. having two homes, often cos its split, one is struggling to get by.
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Those lawyers and rabbis! Some not even married, like some priests, so what do they know about the realities of marriage, especially from the women's (weaker sex!) point of view.
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We are commanded to love. Even if your single, thats what we must do.
But in marriage, you VOW to love the other person until death.
But in marriage, you VOW to love the other person until death.
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