What's so bad about the Book of Mormon?

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I've read that the LDS has recently acknowledged Smith's plural wives, admitting that he had between 30 and 40 of them.

More here: http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/11/living/mormon-founder-polygamy/

I found the reason for this change interesting: the information was already available on the internet.
I find that interesting because when I worked at Nauvoo with large numbers of LDS missionaries, they all believed that JS was the founder of polygamy. That BY only continued practicing it after they left Nauvoo. So it was sometime after that (the late 70's) that they started reversing that belief to one of JS not practicing it. It was in the 90s that the RLDS starting accepting it because they were finding more evidence for it.
 
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Wow, go away for a few days and everything just blows up. I can't possibly read all 500 posts in this thread. I have a plan. Can everybody please re-post what they've posted about five minutes apart. It'll be much easier for me that way. No? OK. I guess I'll get started then.
 
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Songsmith, do you accept the First Vision and view all creeds of that day as an abomination including the Nicene Creed?

I'm not sure what that has to do with the Book of Mormon, but I do believe the first vision account. I don't know though that there is anything objectionable being asserted in the Nicene Creed, but the fact that there is a creed in the first place. If you don't accept any one of the premises put forth then fellowship is broken. I think it goes against the nature of our agency to make someone affirm those things that you believe in order to join a church or become a part of the body. We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, not through adhering to a creed, which, while i believe it to be correct, is a form of control over people. I think that's what is abominable about creeds. In the book of Revelation the Nicolaitans are mentioned and not in a good way. It was that they forced control over their adherents that caused them to be viewed unfavorably by God. In fact their very name points to why God hated them. Nikos is the Greek word for conquer, or subdue. Laos is where we get the word laity, or lay people. In other words it was their tendency to control the people that caused them to be hated by God. I think that what a creed does is control those who would become members of the Body of Christ.
 
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Pretty much everything about the Book of Mormon screams "fraud", from the fake King James-English over tales of magic translation stones and golden plates written in "Reformed Egyptian" to the whole mythology of a Jewish colony in the USA. How anybody could possibly take that seriously eludes me.
 
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I have a problem with false prophets inventing a new religion and calling it Christianity.
I actually have less of a problem with hinduism, shintoism, zoroastrianism, and the like, because they do not CLAIM to be Christian. The Mormons do.


Oh man, I love your post and I can agree 100%
 
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I'm sorry, but I'm no longer following you.
Just saying that the research is already is available to the world. The church as far as I know has never hid polygamy because it is a large part of it. It certainly has never denied or hid the fact that Joseph Smith practiced it
 
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I have a problem with false prophets inventing a new religion and calling it Christianity.
I actually have less of a problem with hinduism, shintoism, zoroastrianism, and the like, because they do not CLAIM to be Christian. The Mormons do.
When someone says things like this it reflects a lack of information. Sorry to hear you say that.
 
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On the contrary. It reflects knowledge about mornomism as well as Christianity.

If you have all this knowledge, perhaps you can help me with something. I asked this question in another thread but did not get an answer.

Please define Christianity (or Christian) and provide Scriptural documentation to back it up. I have searched and searched for a valid definition but have yet to find it.
 
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Pretty much everything about the Book of Mormon screams "fraud", from the fake King James-English over tales of magic translation stones and golden plates written in "Reformed Egyptian" to the whole mythology of a Jewish colony in the USA. How anybody could possibly take that seriously eludes me.

I felt similarly when I was given a copy to read. It read like a fanfic of the KJV and not in a good way. Plus they lost me at "Reformed Egyptian" since no such language actually exists. Also Eden being in Jackson County, Missouri? Eh wat.

It isn't for me.
 
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A lot of it. It's quite clearly a rip-off of the KJV by someone who had no idea what he was doing. There isn't the slightest evidence of anything remotely semitic about it.
Reading selected passages from anti Mormon websites isn't reading it. If you truly read it in an unbiased attitude you would look at differently. You had already made your mind up that it was false before even reading it. You can't be just it that type of judgement.
 
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Reading selected passages from anti Mormon websites isn't reading it. If you truly read it in an unbiased attitude you would look at differently. You had already made your mind up that it was false before even reading it. You can't be just it that type of judgement.

I am going to repeat myself:
It's quite clearly a rip-off of the KJV by someone who had no idea what he was doing. There isn't the slightest evidence of anything remotely semitic about it. This is fact.
 
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I am going to repeat myself:
It's quite clearly a rip-off of the KJV by someone who had no idea what he was doing. There isn't the slightest evidence of anything remotely semitic about it. This is fact.
Again I will say that any person who relies on others for truth instead of finding out for themselves is foolish. I know the bible is true because o read and prayed about it. That is what I did with the Book of Mormon. You have not. Saying that a book is false without reading it with an open mind is and then praying about it well not promote intelligence or knowledge.
 
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I've read the book. The author tried to imitate early modern English (i.e. the language used by the King James Version of the Bible), but clearly had no grasp of how that language actually differed from then-contemporary English in terms of grammar and word order. This alone does not tell us anything about the content as such, but it *does* tell us something about the author's desire to give his text the whiff of authority and sanctity by associating it with the most well-known Bible translation.

Far more damning, however, is the actual content and the myths surrounding its supposed "discovery" and translation into this garbled King James English. As noted above, all of that put together is virtually SCREAMING "fraud", and the only miracle about this is that people believed in it to begin with, or that there are millions of people who STILL believe it.

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Seriously, look at it. Look at it, and then tell me that you could witness this scene without realizing that the guy is totally pulling your leg, gaining prestige and power by milking the gullible.

And in case you still can't see it: I've got a magical hat here containing a sacred translation stone. It tells me that your faith is strong, and that you will donate money to me, the gracious prophet who will help you gain so much more in the afterlife.
 
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^^^ Not the approach Paul commended.
Paul being the same one who told women to. E silent in chur hmô
I've read the book. The author tried to imitate early modern English (i.e. the language used by the King James Version of the Bible), but clearly had no grasp of how that language actually differed from then-contemporary English in terms of grammar and word order. This alone does not tell us anything about the content as such, but it *does* tell us something about the author's desire to give his text the whiff of authority and sanctity by associating it with the most well-known Bible translation.

Far more damning, however, is the actual content and the myths surrounding its supposed "discovery" and translation into this garbled King James English. As noted above, all of that put together is virtually SCREAMING "fraud", and the only miracle about this is that people believed in it to begin with, or that there are millions of people who STILL believe it.

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Seriously, look at it. Look at it, and then tell me that you could witness this scene without realizing that the guy is totally pulling your leg, gaining prestige and power by milking the gullible.

And in case you still can't see it: I've got a magical hat here containing a sacred translation stone. It tells me that your faith is strong, and that you will donate money to me, the gracious prophet who will help you gain so much more in the afterlife.
Any open minded person who will read the Book of Mormon is not going to come away with your conclusions. You say you have read the entire book. Perhaps you have but I have communicated with hundreds like your self who claim they have read it but in inquiring more come to find out that they had only read selected passages from websites that literally hate Mormons. Since you say you have read it then do you think the part about Brigham Young riding a white buffalo into the Salt Lake valley was over the top or believable?
 
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