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ThatTrueLight said:

But you go ahead and tell us WHY they are no longer Israel and YOU are. It's always a story about how bad they were and how God wiped them out and that the new super spiritual Israel is so much better. Personally, I think that it would be easier and quicker to just thank God that you're not like they are.

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I don't claim to be a physical descendant of the tribes, have no idea. But in order for those physical descendants to become sons of God again the've gotta be christian because we all go through Christ. And by that not only are we grafted into their promise, but they will be grafted back in.

ThatTrueLight said:

I could show you a zillion scriptures with respect to Israelites being the descendants of Jacob,

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I've been following your posts for a while now and I can't think of one time you have posted even one scripture that proves today's Israelites are descended from Jacob.

Not even one.

I know because I have asked you multiple times, straight up, to show them to us and your only response is "its right over there"... well yea, a multi ethnic, secular, democratic nation-state called Israel is indeed right over there. There is no denying that fact.

The puzzler is how you come to the conclusion those multi ethnic secularists are the religious and genetic re-constitution of the pre-desolation Hebrew theocracy.

You have yet to offer anything concrete beyond your personal speculation that they are, in spite, and indeed in the face of, the actual, concrete, documented religious, political and genetic diversity of the modern population.

But yeah, feel free to show us those zillion scriptures proving Today's Israelites are the descendants of Jacob.
I'll grab the popcorn.

More of the same response Parousia. I think everone can see the dancing around the question.

Ez 37 was prophecied to the people of the babylonian captivity. The new covt and appointing Jesus as the one shepherd was speaking of the time of Jesus teaching and new commandmebts of faith.

ThatTrueLight said:

And of course that is part of the mystery.. that they are blinded in part until the fulness of the GENTILES be come in.. that presently they are ENEMIES as concerning the gospel and BELOVED in God's elective purpose.. and that the Deliverer shall come from Sion and turn ungodliness from...

You guess it..

JACOB.. the one who continues to wrestle with "the man" until the breaking of the Day..

And all Israel shall be saved in that Day..

Read Ezekiel 37 and you can see that the whole house of Israel shall be resurrected, in their land, and have the Spirit of Christ in them.

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Enemies concerning the Gospel: By their fall salvation has come to a people that were nothing you and me.

Ezekiel 37 says they shall be brought in to the land, They shall be one, no longer separate from Judah. That's what the 2 sticks represent. Have the 2 houses come together yet? Is the Jews in the land of Israel today the whole house?

"In that Day we all (well, many) see approaching."


We do ... this is coming .... no doubt

Many of professing Christianity do not because they are either captured by their religious affiliations which cannot afford to correct their own false teachings, and or the affiliations no longer view Bible prophecy as a worthwhile adventure for teaching their memberships

When confronted with Bible prophecy regarding Israel they must necessarily develop a standing against the fact of Israel's return to the land in 1948 and continued existence in the midst of the nation's historical enemies

Things like "They are not really Israel, but fakes", that the Lord is finished with Israel and struggle to prove this with scripture, etc. are often used to nullify the truth

ThatTrueLight said:

No, they're blinded in part until the fulness of the GENTILES be come in remember?

This is why this is pointless.. scripture means absolutely nothing to you and you pretend as if it doesn't mean what it says.

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So are you saying no as in both house are together in Israel?

"I've been following your posts for a while now and I can't think of one time you have posted even one scripture that proves today's Israelites are descended from Jacob."


This trick request is a ridiculous one that most can see right through

The Bible is not a forensic service for technical genetic analysis .... and yet P asks for biblical proof

Today's Israelites know who they are by genetic analysis .... believe it .... even though P tells you no

And what is really ironic? .... one who claims to base his faith upon the scriptures and then proceeds by picking out the things that fit his predisposed religion while ignoring Israel's position as a national people from Genesis to Revelation .... past, present, and future

Always watch the magician's left hand while the other shows the trick

So are you saying no as in both house are together in Israel?


There are representatives of both today in Israel, but the fullness of this biblical truth is coming

And none of these including those that still reside in other nations today are "anglo/saxons"

.... and the idea that Ezekiel's bones are under the Queen's throne is a total hoax

The biblical definition of "Issac's sons" somehow became the pet translation of the promoters' of BI to be "anglo-saxons" .... this is a total corruption of the scriptures

Do you know how Armstrong and the like concocted this idea in the first place?

Take a look

http://www.bible.ca/pre-british-israelism-herbert-armstrong.htm

Straightshot said:

"In that Day we all (well, many) see approaching."


We do ... this is coming .... no doubt

Many of professing Christianity do not because they are either captured by their religious affiliations which cannot afford to correct their own false teachings, and or the affiliations no longer view Bible prophecy as a worthwhile adventure for teaching their memberships

When confronted with Bible prophecy regarding Israel they must necessarily develop a standing against the fact of Israel's return to the land in 1948 and continued existence in the midst of the nation's historical enemies

Things like "They are not really Israel, but fakes", that the Lord is finished with Israel and struggle to prove this with scripture, etc. are often used to nullify the truth

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I read some of the link provided, and I will read some more soon. But there is one wrong idea that I noticed. It makes the statement that BI claims Jews are not Israel. That is furthest from the truth, Judah is absolutely Israel just not the entire house. All Jews are Israelites but not all Israelites are Jews. That statement forgets the fact that the tribes split into two houses.

If anglo/saxons are not any part of Israel who do you say it is. Because Ephraim mixed itself with the nations, So that Inludes a lot of different racial Identities.

ThatTrueLight said:

No I'm saying it's a waste of time because I just referenced the simple mystery in Romans and you trampled it as if it didn't exist. And yes, I know why already.. you're Israel and they're not..

I told you, I got it already. I'm not interested in you telling me that Israel isn't Israel.. OK?

Enjoy yourself being Israel, it's OK with me.

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I trampled on what?

Where does this "you're Israel and their not attitude come from?" Nobody that I know of, claims that somehow we are Israel and the Jews in the land of Israel aren't.

ThatTrueLight said:

I've heard it all before, from n2thelight and now you. Same nonsense, different person.

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I don't know about him but I'm not claiming that. Yes Israel and Judah were two separate houses but as a whole make up the whole house of israel.

"If anglo/saxons are not any part of Israel who do you say it is. Because Ephraim mixed itself with the nations, So that Inludes a lot of different racial Identities.


The Lord is the one who has not mixed what you say .... He has kept Israel apart from the other nations of the Gentiles .... and He knows [Isaiah 11]

Which spin off of the Armstrong movement are you in today?

If you will tell me I can give you some insight about who you are following and any pit falls associated

Generally when one engages leaders of off course religious factions there are exposures that should be avoided

"What's next, telling us that Israelites had sex with Satan"


Do you mean like the serpent seed rant of Arnold Murray?