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ThatTrueLight said:

OK I get it.. this is Brithish Israelism..

So that would be a yes, you're Israel and the real Israel isn't.

Another perfect application of ANYTHING BUT..

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OK I get it... you are going to use circular reasoning to refute anything I reply. Because I never said what you are implying I said.

Please tell me why British Israelism is completely wrong with scripture, and without going into the abuse that people have applied it to. I have already stated don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Again I don't claim to be a British Israelite etc. I just recognize truth when I see it.

You didn't refute anything that I posted. So unless you can provide some scripture to refute please don't bother replying to it.

ThatTrueLight said:

Not a thing I say or even scripture is going to refute those who refuse to believe that Israel is ANYTHING BUT what it actually is in scripture. That's proof in and of itself. And of course the Apostle to the Gentiles warns us about those who do ignore the simple truth and who choose to become wise in their own conceits rather than admit that they're wrong.

Israelites are the descendants of JACOB and his TWELVE sons.. that's why there are TWELVE TRIBES.. and yes, I understand that ANYTHING BUT that is OK.

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Well then I guess scripture isn't very accurate if that's the main source in which to refute any non truths. Because if British Israelism is false you should be able to easily refute it. God's word does not confuse or lie. I believe God left nothing unsaid in his word. Indeed if you can prove it with scripture, then I must swallow my pride and change my stance, and not only mine but anyone else God has sent here to here to hear the truth. But I guess pride may get in the way for some.

"Now, why in the world is there such a strong bond historically between Britain and Israel and more specifically the US and Israel?"


There is nothing in scripture that tells of the relationship .... absolutely nothing

The Lord does use other nations for moving His will along with regard for Israel, but the fact is that neither Britain or the USA is named in the visions of the prophets

There is a reason .... the prophets record not one thing about either and both exist in the breach between the ending of the 69 week decreed for Israel and the the beginning of the 70th

If things are not included in the record of the prophets, anything inserted by man made religions cannot be relied upon for truth

The BI theology is built upon a fantasy with no biblical moorings whatsoever and anyone who follows needs to rethink where they have been led to stand

.... and this religion reeks of anti-Israel/antisemitism .... a religion that seeks to contend with the Lord's purposes and for proprietary gain

This is not a good thing

The world is ripe for judgment today and this unbelieving MBG is going down .... the Lord is pent up

And He is going to play cards with the winning hand

The "great city" of the "woman" by observation on the ground has both Britain and the USA in her bag along with others of the western world .... and Israel is not there

.... and in the aftermath, Israel along will be left standing

Grabbing Israel's position for themselves is straight out replacement theology and this behavior is one of the hallmarks of the BI rant

Straightshot said:

"Now, why in the world is there such a strong bond historically between Britain and Israel and more specifically the US and Israel?"


There is nothing in scripture that tells of the relationship .... absolutely nothing

The Lord does use other nations for moving His will along with regard for Israel, but the fact is that neither Britain or the USA is named in the visions of the prophets

There is a reason .... the prophets record not one thing about either and both exist in the breach between the ending of the 69 week decreed for Israel and the the beginning of the 70th

If things are not included in the record of the prophets, anything inserted by man made religions cannot be relied upon for truth

The BI theology is built upon a fantasy with no biblical moorings whatsoever and anyone who follows needs to rethink where they have been led to stand

.... and this religion reeks of anti-Israel/antisemitism .... a religion that seeks to contend with the Lord's purposes and for proprietary gain

This is not a good thing

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So the tribes as a whole have no relationship with each other from the time they went into the promise land, split and went into captivity in the various nations? Are the 12 not a family group? Who is the lost sheep that Christ went to. Now you can apply this to people outside of the physical descendants of Israel, but that's not who is referenced.

The 70weeks if Daniel are concerning the house of Judah not the 10 tribes.

The truth is that while there is antisemitism/ anti-Israel, which is mainly as I've stated by people who abuse it, should cause one to support our fellow brethren and not hate because we all see how we are to be one in Christ. Indeed this will come to an end when Ephraim will no longer envy Judah, and Judah will no longer vex Ephraim (Isaiah 11). To be clear there is antisemitism even in those who hold no British Israelism views or religous views.

ThatTrueLight said:

It certainly gets in the way of those who think that they're Israel and that the one men want to wipe off the map isn't.

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That's not what British Israelism teaches. Only a fool who studies The lost tribes and twist it would want to wipe their brothers off the Map. For me it shows Gods dealing with his people through its history even to our modern day!

ThatTrueLight said:

But you're Israel and those getting rockets launched at them are not Israel.. right?

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I've already answered this question so I'm not going to buy into you circular games.

Why don't you bother posting something to back up your views so that others and maybe myself can learn something and gain something vs you posting good for nothing one liners. You are not being funny or even sounding intelligent. Christ calls us to be pillars for truth, to help build the faith for our fellow man in Gods word. For the truth shall set you free. But posts like you're posting does none of that.

ThatTrueLight said:

Let's start with the twelve tribes of Israel and where they come from?

From Jacob's twelve sons.

How's that.. ?

I know... ANYTHING BUT THAT right?

See what I mean... I could show you a zillion scriptures with respect to Israelites being the descendants of Jacob, and you''ll deny it and say that Britian and the US are Israelites.

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First I think you should stop trying to imply what you think I'm going to say.

Second, Jacob was the father of the 12 tribes, His name was changed to Israel after he wrestled with the angel all night.

ThatTrueLight said:

And the the twelve tribes are his sons. Bible 101.

But hey, I get it.. you don't have to beat this horse to death.. YOU are Israel and the one getting rockets launched at them isn't.

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No lets beat this horse to death, his 12 sons: Ruben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Nephtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulan, Joseph, Benjamin are the fathers of the descendants of the 12 tribes Israel.

"So the tribes as a whole have no relationship with each other from the time they went into the promise land, split and went into captivity in the various nations?"


I said that there is no bonding of what you tell between Israel ..... and Britain/USA in prophetic scriptures .... neither western power is named in any vision of any Bible prophet

The 12 tribes of Israel obviously have a relationship .... there is no Britain/USA in the mix .... these western powers are not the nation of Israel period

ThatTrueLight said:

But you go ahead and tell us WHY they are no longer Israel and YOU are. It's always a story about how bad they were and how God wiped them out and that the new super spiritual Israel is so much better. Personally, I think that it would be easier and quicker to just thank God that you're not like they are.

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I was trying to go down the road of tracing the descendants of Israel with you to see if I was missing something that would make me change my stance, because you are telling me I'm wrong. You are the one that said lets start from the beginning of the tribes, but now you don't to take that trip with me and see if we can both come to a better understanding of the matter.

Who in the living heck is saying new spiritual Israel is superior in some way. You are putting words in my mouth. We all come to God through Christ. and in Christ no one is superior.

Straightshot said:

"So the tribes as a whole have no relationship with each other from the time they went into the promise land, split and went into captivity in the various nations?"


I said that there is no bonding of what you tell between Israel ..... and Britain/USA in prophetic scriptures .... neither western power is named in any vision of any Bible prophet

The 12 tribes of Israel obviously have a relationship .... there is no Britain/USA in the mix .... these western powers are not the nation of Israel period

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The problem is we are dealing with a people have become as the sands of the sea. And we have to figure out who those O' Isles afar off are. Ephraim and Menasseh were said to become Great Nations and multitudes of peoples and Ephraim and Menasseh would push the people to the ends of the earth. The western nations are the primary ones to carry the Gospel message to the entire world.