Tormented Into the Lake of Fire Forever or Not

GuardianShua said:

Hell has never been a teaching in Judaism. The words "Grave" and "Pit" have been given the interpretation "Hell." Hell is a Pagan belief and has its origins in Paganism. The word "Fire" is often used to mean "Judgement" as a parable. We do not worship a God who is without mercy, and has a need to torture living being for all eternity. That is what Pagans believe.

If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna?

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."


Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "
God did not say "you must not touch it."

Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.


Now who is telling the truth, God or the Serpent? According to scripture the Serpent is telling the truth. And that is why you see the word "Hell" in scripture. It's a place for God to torture LIVING BEINGS for all eternity.
That is why our bibles also say God does "EVIL." Did you know that King James was the Grand Master of the Masons, and that the King James Bible is also known as the Masonic Bible? And that is the tip of the iceberg.

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die.
The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit.
Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not? If the word Hell is biblical, then the Serpent told the truth.

Romans 1:32. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


If it is true that there will be people ALIVE in Hell, Then God lied, and the Serpent told the truth. Was the word "Hell" added to scripture replacing the words grave, pit, and Gehenna? I do not think that it is evil for God to take away the lives of the condemned. As a matter of fact I think that it is responsible and merciful.

Everyone should remember that the Serpent, Satan, and Devil is a liar. The Serpent says you will not surely die, after God said you will surely die.

Yahshua reaffirms this by saying God can destroy both body and spirit. Personally I do not believe in universal salvation, because I see no scriptural support for it. There are variations to the meaning spirit and spiritual. A living soul consist of both body and spirit. Death of the spirit is the second death. God does not lie, there is no reason for Him to do so. Immortality is an act of God, and nothing we can do ourselves. the lake of fire is a parabolic phrase. "Lake" being the body of the condemned, and fire being the judgement. [And after that] death and the grave are done away with. But only after the judement.

There is a permanent punishment for the condemned, it's called death. If peoples sins cost them their life, then why think they have escaped justice. We worship a God who is merciful.

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BukiRob said:

Boy that is not true. Much of the Torah reveals both the future in the coming of Messiah and the end of the age... neither of which are hear and now issues

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Ezekiel 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ASHES upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

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dfw69 said:

I believe hashem did not hide the lake of fire from the inhabitants of the world. It is there for all to see. It's clearly the lava ....

If the lava exists and we believe judgement exist. Then what about eternity ?....does eternity exist?....we are religious men. We believe in hashem. So we believe in some form of eternity.

All the elements are there for an eternal damnation in the lake of fire. .so there is no need to downplay the words of y' Shia.

This should put the fear in all of us and especially on those who seek to war with hashem and makes a covenant with death ....whoever they are hashem knows...

The only reason for a man to make a covenant with death ..is that man fears not, nor believes in eternal torment away from hashem and the living. .

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visionary said:

Gehanna, I think best represent hell. A burn pile that will go out after there is nothing left to burn. Satan is probably the one who takes the longest. Satan will not only be burned up and devoured by fire he will also be brought to Ashes.

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Messy said:

Yes that's what I was thinking. Jesus was in the heart of the earth. Isn't the fire the magma? But there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

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Messy said:

Yes that's what I was thinking. Jesus was in the heart of the earth. Isn't the fire the magma? But there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

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dfw69 said:

But it does say just before the new heaven and new earth that Satan is cast into the lake of fire ( where the final antichrist and false prophet Are...implying these two men are still alive within the lake of fire and have been there 1000 years )....

Then it's says Satan is cast in this same place that these two men are and tormented forever in the presence of the Lord. ...so it seems to suggest that Satan is forever tormented even after the new heaven and new earth.....because Satan is cast into the lake of fire just before the new heaven new earth...But will be tormented forever

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Messy said:

Oh yes you're right. Well I couldn't care less to be honest, if Hitler would suffer an eternity I couldn't care less either, just hope the rest gets burned up eventually.
I also don't understand that text that the pharisees who blasphemed the Spirit wouldn't be forgiven this age nor the age to come, but all other sins would be forgiven. Those that didn't know His will get just a few stripes. That doesn't sound like they get the same eternal torment as the devil.

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dfw69 said:

But it does say just before the new heaven and new earth that Satan is cast into the lake of fire ( where the final antichrist and false prophet Are...implying these two men are still alive within the lake of fire and have been there 1000 years )....

Then it's says Satan is cast in this same place that these two men are and tormented forever in the presence of the Lord. ...so it seems to suggest that Satan is forever tormented even after the new heaven and new earth.....because Satan is cast into the lake of fire just before the new heaven new earth...But will be tormented forever

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yonah_mishael said:

This assumes that the Revelation is written to be interpreted linearly. There is no word are in the Greek of that verse. It could mean "where the beast and the false prophet [had been thrown in the previous vision]" without any reference to time. It doesn't say that they had already been there for a thousand years. It could be that they were thrown there at the same time, if we interpret the 1000 years as happening concurrent with the present age (as is the traditional Catholic interpretation - amillennialism). The problem only exists for futurists who interpret the 1000 years as happening after the present age.

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dfw69 said:

I'm not Catholic nor do I believe the preterist doctrine..

.the 1000 years will not begin until y'Shia returns...and he will return in the days when a golem which is in the image of the final antichrist is placed in the future temple ....

Similar to the days of king Manassah ...who placed an image in the temple....it has happened before ...scripture reveals it will happen again in the future...

2 key figures will play a role the beast and false prophet ...one day y' Shia will take these 2 men and cast them into the lake of fire.....

Then the 1000 year reign will begin...the true messianic age....Satan is bound1000 years

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danny ski said:

Book? Verse? Where's your proof?

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BukiRob said:

Boy that is not true. Much of the Torah reveals both the future in the coming of Messiah and the end of the age... neither of which are hear and now issues

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BukiRob said:

Isaiah 53, Jerimiah 33, much of the Psalms for starters

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danny ski said:

That's not the Torah.

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