Islam

KWCrazy · May 26, 2015

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:
Okay, and what is your response to the video and to the rest of my post?

Smaneck should watch the video. Thank you for posting it.
As for the rest of your previous post, I haven't had time to look at the differing versions. I did not assemble the quotes originally, so I don't know the context. Interesting, though, that the verbiage is almost totally different; be that a difference of translation or what I don't know.

Understand, I do not consider Mohammed to be a prophet but a false prophet; an anti-Christ who has led people by the hundreds of millions away from the true Christ. Since this is a Christian forum I have no problem posting the Christian message that no one comes unto the Father but through Christ. We believe different things and likely we will never agree. I blame the false prophets for offering poison to those in need of medicine. Since he and Christ said different things only one could be speaking the truth, and the nature of the man shows us which was truly living the love of the Father. We both agree that Islam calls for the murder of Apostates. Jesus called them lost, but He was the good shepherd who tried to call them home. He didn't murder them.

Arthra · May 26, 2015

What some overlook Rider is that Muhammad's ministry was over a longer period of time ...than that of Jesus.

Had we only the early stage of the ministry (the first six or seven years) of Prophet Muhammad you would note the persecutions and non-violent response of the Prophet. The final stage of His ministry was from the exile from Mecca to Medina.. From this point we see the development of the Islamic state...in this stage you see the defensive reaction to the pagan forces attacking Medina.

With centuries of ill feeling and prejudice combined with the senseless actions of the deteriorating situation in the middle east the impression you have is not uncommon...

LoveBeingAMuslimah · May 26, 2015

rider99 said:
Smaneck should watch the video. Thank you for posting it.

You're welcome. Did you watch it all? If so, what do you have to say about it and how neither the Prophet's marriage to Aishah nor the consummation of it are not the least bit problematic?

As for the rest of your previous post, I haven't had time to look at the differing versions. I did not assemble the quotes originally, so I don't know the context. Interesting, though, that the verbiage is almost totally different; be that a difference of translation or what I don't know.

That's probably what happens when you quote from an anti-Islaamic hate site. The translation of the interpretation of the meaning of the Qur'aan is just that...it's not the actual Qur'aan. The Qur'aan is comprised of the Words in Arabic and the written words in Arabic collectively is called the mus-haf. Even still, why not look at translations written & accepted by Muslims?

Maybe you should try reading the entire translation on your own (instead of reading snippets from sites with an agenda against my religion) before you cast judgement.

Since he and Christ said different things only one could be speaking the truth,

Both called to the worship of Allaah alone and categorically denied the worshipping of other than Him. We don't believe that the Bible of today contains only accurate narrations of what the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) said. Muslims see the Bible as something that may contain something of the original revelations of God to Jesus to the people to whom he was sent as well as perhaps some accounts that are not necessarily revelation, but we also believe that it was tampered with (stuff added, omitted, etc.). But God has promised to protect the Qur'aan as it is the final revelation until the Day of Judgement and no other prophets are to be sent as prophets after the Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

We both agree that Islam calls for the murder of Apostates. Jesus called them lost, but He was the good shepherd who tried to call them home. He didn't murder them.

Apostasy is punishable by death in an Islaamic state, yes. But like I asked before, do you believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) gave the commandments in the OT (such as killing the apostate)?

smaneck · May 26, 2015

rider99 said:
Sufficient for whom? I'm unconvinced that your sources are stronger than the written words of Aisha herself.

Here is the problem. Given the fact that these ahadith are not written down until two or three centuries later, what evidence do you have that she actually said them.

Regarding whether or not she had started puberty, I have never seen that proved or disproved; not that I find it relevant.

All your sources and mine indicated she had reached puberty yet you falsely stated she had not.

I don't know about you, but I consider honesty profoundly relevant in determining someone's motives.

No, I made no statement regarding her attaining puberty until post 193.

Yes, you did, you stated the following:
"This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses"

If those aren't your own words and took them from another site, then it was plagiarism because you didn't cite your source. And I can guarantee it was a hate-site.

I don't care whether he had sex with her before or after she had her first cycle. Sex between a 52 year-old and a 9 year-old is just creepy.

Would you consider sex between a man and his half-sister creepy too? Because Abraham married his half-sister.

If the person in question said she was nine, how could it possibly be hate-speech to quote her on that? You certainly make a lot of false accusations. I haven't posted a single thing I didn't source.

You didn't cite any source which stated he had sex with Aisha before her first menses.

smaneck · May 26, 2015

rider99 said:
Smaneck would call that hate speech.

No, I called this statement hate-speech:
This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses

And accusing him of child-molesting is hate-speech.
I also called your putting up a list of people Muhammad supposedly murdered hate-speech. You didn't provide any sources for that so I presume you cut and pasted it from a hate-site like wikislam or answering-islam.

KWCrazy · May 26, 2015

smaneck said:
If those aren't your own words and took them from another site, then it was plagiarism because you didn't cite your source. And I can guarantee it was a hate-site.
You didn't cite any source which stated he had sex with Aisha before her first menses.

No you not know how to use hyperlinks?
In post 188, click the words MEDINA and HERE. Those are the links to the articles cited. In fact, the link still works in your reply to that post. I wrote the address out in post 193. I further demonstrated that the words were quotes by putting them in italics. You have over 11,000 messages. Do none of them involve hyperlinks?

Whether the nine year-old had a menstrual cycle or not, she was still nine, she was still a child, and what I said was, in fact, the truth. He was 52.
Mohammed's wives include:
Khadijah bint Khuwaylid
Sawda bint Zam'a
Aisha bint Abi Bakr
Hafsa bint Umar
Zaynab bint Khuzayma
Hind (Umm Salama) bint Abi Umayy
Zaynab bint Jahsh
Juwayriyah bint Al-Harith
Ramlah (Umm Habiba) bint Abi Sufyan
Safiyah bint Huyayy
Maymunah bint Al-Harith

He also kept sex slaves.
Rayhana bint Zayd ibn Amr
Mariyah bint Shamoon al-Quptiya
Al-Jariya
Tukana al-Quraziya

The OP asked the question, "What are your views on Islam?" My answer is that it is a false religion created by a false prophet who lived the life of a violent warlord while pretending to be a prophet of God.

smaneck · May 26, 2015

rider99 said:
No you not know how to use hyperlinks?
In post 188, click the words MEDINA

That site says nothing about Aisha not having her first menses which is what you wrote.

and HERE.

And as I suspected it goes to a hate-site.

Do none of them involve hyperlinks?

I always post the entire URL.

Whether the nine year-old had a menstrual cycle or not, she was still nine, she was still a child, and what I said was, in fact, the truth.

No, you said she had not had her first menses which is contradicted by every source you have provided so far. Fact of the matter is that we don't know how young she was. If we follow the chronology of events it makes her 15 or 16 by the time the marriage is consummated. If we believe ahadith compiled centuries later then she might have been only nine. Whether or not she reached puberty is absolutely crucial for determining whether the relationship was licit in antiquity.

He also kept sex slaves.

See, now that's a good example of hate-speech. Otherwise you would have called them concubines.

My answer is that it is a false religion created by a false prophet who lived the life of a violent warlord while pretending to be a prophet of God.

I rest my case.

Now tell me, how is he any different from Moses? I note you ignored my question about Abraham marrying his half-sister.

Arthra · May 26, 2015

What some may not realize about the wives of Prophet Muhammad is that His first marriage to Khadijih was essentially a monogamous marriage and this was for approximately twenty some years... A monogamous marriage was very unusual in that society...

The dates of the events in the life of the Prophet and people associated with Him are problematic... because there was no universal calendar in use... this is important because no one is really sure of the ages of these people... Khadijih was supposed to be forty years old when she married the Prophet and He was a good deal younger than her.

"At age 25, Muhammad wed his wealthy employer, the 40-year-old merchant Khadija. This marriage, his first, would be both happy and monogamous; Muhammad would rely on the wealthy Khadija in many ways, until her death 25 years later.[8][9] They had two sons, Qasim and Abd-Allah (nicknamed al-Ṭāhir and al-Ṭayyib respectively), both died young, and four daughters—Zaynab, Ruqaiya, Umm Kulthum andFatimah"

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_wives#Khadija_bint_Khuwaylid

... For a woman over forty years or so to have that many children would be risky even in today's world of modern medicine. A woman over forty was far above the normal age for marriage.

Birthdays were not celebrated as they are in many countries today and without records people were unsure how old they were.

A standard calendar wasn't adopted by Muslims until the Caliphate of Omar around 638 CE...long after many of these persons were deceased...

After the passing of Khadijih and also after the Hijra.. The Prophet married some of the widows of the fallen believers who died fighting the pagans. Some of the marriages were arranged as matters of state... He married Mary the Copt who was gifted to the Prophet by the Christian Byzantine ruler of Egypt...

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_al-Qibtiyya

KWCrazy · May 26, 2015

smaneck said:
No, you said she had not had her first menses which is contradicted by every source you have provided so far.

The Islamic source materials state that Muhammad proposed marriage to Aisha when she was 6. He assumed her silence constituted her consent. Some 2 to 3 years later, just after he had fled to Medina, he consummated his marriage with her. He was 52 and she was 9. This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses and by Islam’s legal definition Aisha was still considered a child. Islam teaches that a child enters adulthood at the beginning of puberty. (This is scientifically inaccurate, the onset of puberty does not equal adulthood – see Appendix 3).

The bottom line is Muhammad, the creator of Islam, revered by his followers, had sex with a child! Worse, Muhammad's action and teachings on marriage established an Islamic precedent and Islamic law allows female children to be married off and engaged in sex provided they are able to handle a man’s penis (Quran 65:4). As will be shown, this leads to physical, and psychological, damage to the child. << Original quote.

Fact of the matter is that we don't know how young she was.

We know that she was nine, and that she still played with dolls; activity not allowed by adults.

Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13
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Amazing how Islamic text regarding events in Mohammed's life are labeled "hate speech" when they are posted for all to see.

See, now that's a good example of hate-speech. Otherwise you would have called them concubines.

They were sex slaves, held against their will. How is that different than modern Islamists kidnapping school girls and selling them for sex slaves?

Ever hear of the Arab Slave Trade? Who do you think that involved?

Now tell me, how is he any different from Moses?

Moses repented from his crime, which kept him from the land of Canaan. Mohammed never recanted his false prophesy.

I note you ignored my question about Abraham marrying his half-sister.

That was a different time; long before the coming of Christ. We don't do burned offerings any more, either.

KWCrazy · May 26, 2015

Bowing out. I've given my opinion of Islam. I pray that one day it will be nothing more than a footnote in history because it's followers will find the Lord and one day be with the true prophets in Heaven.

smaneck · May 26, 2015

rider99 said:
Bowing out. I've given my opinion of Islam. I pray that one day it will be nothing more than a footnote in history

Not likely. If the present demographics hold Islam will be the world's largest religion by 2070. Of course something unforeseen may happen but I doubt very much if it will be mass conversion to Christianity. As the Qur'an states:

And for every religious community [umma] is a specified term. So when their time has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede. (7:34)

smaneck · May 26, 2015

rider99 said:
This occurred prior to Aisha’s first menses and by Islam’s legal definition Aisha was still considered a child. Islam teaches that a child enters adulthood at the beginning of puberty.

Ah, I see. You took this from another hate site. And as it turns out this is completely false.

We know that she was nine, and that she still played with dolls; activity not allowed by adults.

Except we don't know that this was true. The hadith doesn't get written down until centuries later.

Amazing how Islamic text regarding events in Mohammed's life are labeled "hate speech" when they are posted for all to see.

Again, it is not hate speech to say Muhammad consummated his marriage to a girl who was nine (though I think it is untrue.) It is hate-speech to call him a child molester. And it is an outright lie to say he consummated the marriage before she reached her first menses.

They were sex slaves, held against their will.

Rayhāna bint Zayd whom you listed was not a slave at all. Muhammad was married to her.
Mariyah bint Shamoon al-Quptiya was given to Muhammad as a gift by the Coptic ruler of Egypt. Eventually Muhammad married her as well.
Al-Jariya was Zaynab's slave. It is not clear the Prophet had relations with her.
Tukana al-Quraziya was a slave, but it is not clear she had relations with the Prophet.

How is that different than modern Islamists kidnapping school girls and selling them for sex slaves?

No one was kidnapped.

Ever hear of the Arab Slave Trade? Who do you think that involved?

Relevance.

Moses repented from his crime, which kept him from the land of Canaan.

The sin he repented of was doing a miracle in his own name. I'm asking in what way he was not a warlord like you claim Muhammad was? How about the genocide, enslavement he committed? He never repented of that, rather he claimed to be acting in God's name.

Mohammed never recanted his false prophesy.

Maybe because it wasn't false.

That was a different time; long before the coming of Christ. We don't do burned offerings any more, either.

Muhammad's situation was much like Moses'.

LoveBeingAMuslimah · May 27, 2015

Rider, please read this:

https://archive.org/details/TheIslamophobesGlassHouse

Niblo · May 27, 2015

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:
Rider, please read this:

https://archive.org/details/TheIslamophobesGlassHouse

As-Salāmu ʿAlaykum, Sister,

Many thanks. Have saved it, and will read later, in šāʾ Allāh.

Your brother, Paul

PS: Cleared your PMs yet

Masihi · May 27, 2015

Here is a refutation on Hashimi's article. Im glad this article was mentioned. The refutation points out word plays, deceptions, and logical fallacies in his article. It demonstrates taqiyya and kitman in action. This refutation is a good learning tool for Christian students wishing to learn more on just how a deceptive mind operates.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/A_Refutation_of_'The_Islamophobe's_Glass_House'

LoveBeingAMuslimah · May 27, 2015

Niblo said:
As-Salāmu ʿAlaykum, Sister,

Many thanks. Have saved it, and will read later, in šāʾ Allāh.

Your brother, Paul

PS: Cleared your PMs yet

Wa Alaikum Assalam my brother. You are very welcome. It is a highly recommended read for this particular topic because people love to keep bringing this slander up against our beloved Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

And I did not clear my PMs, lol, but the site upgrade allows for more messages.

LoveBeingAMuslimah · May 27, 2015

Here is a refutation to the refutation of Ibn Hashimi's article: Rebuttal to WikiIslam: A Refutation of 'The Islamophobe's Glass House."

Niblo · May 28, 2015

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:
Wa Alaikum Assalam my brother. You are very welcome. It is a highly recommended read for this particular topic because people love to keep bringing this slander up against our beloved Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

And I did not clear my PMs, lol, but the site upgrade allows for more messages.

As-Salāmu ʿAlaykum, Sister.

Have read the book. Very interesting. Will comment in a PM sometime tomorrow, in šāʾ Allāh (and provided there’s room to squeeze a message in

AskTheFamily · May 28, 2015

I think to me, the general concept of the religion is proven by logic. And the logic of the religion is only emphasized in the holy book of Islam or offshoots of Islam. Then you just have to see if the offshoots of the religion can be true or not. I see that they aren't true.

The general argument mainly is in God's Majestic Praise in how he uses exalted servants and brings up their station through choosing them for his religion, and honors their followers and favors the believers with an extreme grace with them through their trial.

The affair of divinely chosen families, consisting of exalted chosen servants that succeed one another and are tied in one cause, has a majestic praise linked to God. That is why the Angels tell Sarah they should not at all be wondering and surprised at God giving them Isaac in old age, and after Isaac, Jacob. The reason being is that this is "the affair of God" and that God is "Praiseworthy, Majestic". They being an exalted chosen family who God's entire blessings of creation and his entire mercy on creation is upon, should not wonder at this, because this is God's way with his chosen ones and humanity.

In the same way, it makes sense that a revelation is available in these times, and that God appoints a group of chosen people to guide the nation.

I also believe that goodness, beauty, and honor, have unseen reality, and that revelation and code of the religion has an inward reality, and that God in his wisdom has shown a majestic praise with regards to appointing of the best of humans as Guides in the spiritual journey.

Ibrahim was already a leader appointed by God while a Prophet and a Messenger, and an example already to people, but what was meant by him becoming an Imam was that he was becoming the Guide in the spiritual journey in all stages to those who tread the guidance of God, and this station was attained by the Guides after they were given vision of certainty and were found to be patient. Ibrahim attained this after having offspring, while he was given offspring after his Prophethood and Messengerhood, according to Quran.

As I believe there are unseen forces of evil and they have spiritual powers to misguide humanity, I believe there is a more exalted spiritual power that manifests as a miracle and beyond that of the fake powers in guidance of God, like the Staff of Moses proved the sorcery to be but sorcery while his power to be from God.

I don't see any book claiming to be a revelation emphasizing the guidance in the unseen journey by a divine guide that is a light, a way, a companion to the journey, other then the Quran.

The wisdom of choosing ALIVE people to be these guides also has a wisdom, as that keeps us connected to the living best people of our time, and always makes us incline to the best person alive on earth who shares with us the grief, the hopes, and the observation of the events of our times, and is a witness upon the people, in which every people will be called with a witness from them.

The inheritance of the light/guidance and the remainder of God on earth inheriting from chosen ones before him, has a an exalted wisdom in the Quran.

As God is spiritual and hidden, there is hidden unseen stages, and there in an inward spirit to the outward connection (salah) in the inward world, and these stages of the inward journey is best manifested by way of example, of showing the way to tread.

The Divine light of the Names of God is most manifested through the glorification of God through their spiritual light and inward knowledge of God.

To imitate glorification of God they show through out the stages, praise of his beauty and majesty, is of the unseen affairs, which I believe is the delight of the eyes of the mystics.

We been created for something higher, to tread upon spiritual path.

I also believe that these exalted servants, just remembering them, proves the existence of God, as goodness honor and morality of theirs which we can remember is linked to the existence of God and his Worship and sincerity to him, showing that morality, greatness, and beauty, encompasses worship of God and this worship of God can only be exalted and moral if God is true.

Attachment to them is attachment to Worshiping God in sincerity, and is a straight path.

The wisdom of exalted families and tying their cause together, I find emphasized in no holy book but the Quran. I see eternal wisdom in that, and appreciating the message of the last Messenger has been said to be nothing but the love of the last of such families (42:23) and said to be a path to God (25:57).

I believe the wisdom of the Mahdi, the emphasis on the divine rule of Dawood and Sulaiman, the wisdom of Talut being appointed king, has a more universal need of God's rule to humanity, and God has linked needing his chosen ones with needing God, and the Mahdi being the one who is promised to rule the world with the divine rule of God and his revelation and his wisdom, bringing justice to the world, I believe is of a majestic praise.

He being from a divinely chosen family and being tied to their cause is also of a majestic wisdom, emphasized by the Prophet "The Mahdi is from us, Ahlelbayt".

I believe this affair is tied to God and his Majestic Praiseworthy Names.

When the world wants to come to God and wants the rule of Mohammad the last Prophet, they will come to his final successor and God's representative and ruler on earth.

At the same time, people go to extremes with his chosen ones, and that's why there is wisdom that Quran emphasized you have no intercessor or helper besides God, and emphasized on praying to God alone and not worshiping others or taking the chosen ones as Lords.

The balance. This to me is Islam. It's the balanced path, in which we don't equate or belittle God with chosen ones, neither do we neglect the rights of his chosen ones and their noble station, by which God has made them the means of approach towards him.

And it emphasizes the intercession and intervention of his Angels and chosen ones, do take place by his permission, so to pray God for such help and guidance and mercy, and God will surely aide us with his his unseen forces over the dark forces.

Masihi · May 28, 2015

AskTheFamily said:
I think to me, the general concept of the religion is proven by logic. And the logic of the religion is only emphasized in the holy book of Islam or offshoots of Islam. Then you just have to see if the offshoots of the religion can be true or not. I see that they aren't true.

The general argument mainly is in God's Majestic Praise in how he uses exalted servants and brings up their station through choosing them for his religion, and honors their followers and favors the believers with an extreme grace with them through their trial.

The affair of divinely chosen families, consisting of exalted chosen servants that succeed one another and are tied in one cause, has a majestic praise linked to God. That is why the Angels tell Sarah they should not at all be wondering and surprised at God giving them Isaac in old age, and after Isaac, Jacob. The reason being is that this is "the affair of God" and that God is "Praiseworthy, Majestic". They being an exalted chosen family who God's entire blessings of creation and his entire mercy on creation is upon, should not wonder at this, because this is God's way with his chosen ones and humanity.

In the same way, it makes sense that a revelation is available in these times, and that God appoints a group of chosen people to guide the nation.

I also believe that goodness, beauty, and honor, have unseen reality, and that revelation and code of the religion has an inward reality, and that God in his wisdom has shown a majestic praise with regards to appointing of the best of humans as Guides in the spiritual journey.

Ibrahim was already a leader appointed by God while a Prophet and a Messenger, and an example already to people, but what was meant by him becoming an Imam was that he was becoming the Guide in the spiritual journey in all stages to those who tread the guidance of God, and this station was attained by the Guides after they were given vision of certainty and were found to be patient. Ibrahim attained this after having offspring, while he was given offspring after his Prophethood and Messengerhood, according to Quran.

As I believe there are unseen forces of evil and they have spiritual powers to misguide humanity, I believe there is a more exalted spiritual power that manifests as a miracle and beyond that of the fake powers in guidance of God, like the Staff of Moses proved the sorcery to be but sorcery while his power to be from God.

I don't see any book claiming to be a revelation emphasizing the guidance in the unseen journey by a divine guide that is a light, a way, a companion to the journey, other then the Quran.

The wisdom of choosing ALIVE people to be these guides also has a wisdom, as that keeps us connected to the living best people of our time, and always makes us incline to the best person alive on earth who shares with us the grief, the hopes, and the observation of the events of our times, and is a witness upon the people, in which every people will be called with a witness from them.

The inheritance of the light/guidance and the remainder of God on earth inheriting from chosen ones before him, has a an exalted wisdom in the Quran.

As God is spiritual and hidden, there is hidden unseen stages, and there in an inward spirit to the outward connection (salah) in the inward world, and these stages of the inward journey is best manifested by way of example, of showing the way to tread.

The Divine light of the Names of God is most manifested through the glorification of God through their spiritual light and inward knowledge of God.

To imitate glorification of God they show through out the stages, praise of his beauty and majesty, is of the unseen affairs, which I believe is the delight of the eyes of the mystics.

We been created for something higher, to tread upon spiritual path.

I also believe that these exalted servants, just remembering them, proves the existence of God, as goodness honor and morality of theirs which we can remember is linked to the existence of God and his Worship and sincerity to him, showing that morality, greatness, and beauty, encompasses worship of God and this worship of God can only be exalted and moral if God is true.

Attachment to them is attachment to Worshiping God in sincerity, and is a straight path.

The wisdom of exalted families and tying their cause together, I find emphasized in no holy book but the Quran. I see eternal wisdom in that, and appreciating the message of the last Messenger has been said to be nothing but the love of the last of such families (42:23) and said to be a path to God (25:57).

I believe the wisdom of the Mahdi, the emphasis on the divine rule of Dawood and Sulaiman, the wisdom of Talut being appointed king, has a more universal need of God's rule to humanity, and God has linked needing his chosen ones with needing God, and the Mahdi being the one who is promised to rule the world with the divine rule of God and his revelation and his wisdom, bringing justice to the world, I believe is of a majestic praise.

He being from a divinely chosen family and being tied to their cause is also of a majestic wisdom, emphasized by the Prophet "The Mahdi is from us, Ahlelbayt".

I believe this affair is tied to God and his Majestic Praiseworthy Names.

When the world wants to come to God and wants the rule of Mohammad the last Prophet, they will come to his final successor and God's representative and ruler on earth.

At the same time, people go to extremes with his chosen ones, and that's why there is wisdom that Quran emphasized you have no intercessor or helper besides God, and emphasized on praying to God alone and not worshiping others or taking the chosen ones as Lords.

The balance. This to me is Islam. It's the balanced path, in which we don't equate or belittle God with chosen ones, neither do we neglect the rights of his chosen ones and their noble station, by which God has made them the means of approach towards him.

And it emphasizes the intercession and intervention of his Angels and chosen ones, do take place by his permission, so to pray God for such help and guidance and mercy, and God will surely aide us with his his unseen forces over the dark forces.

I completely reject this conclusion of yours.

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