Addressing Heretical Application of the Trinity Doctrine

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I know that the Holy Spirit is God of the Triune God, and I believe that truth, BUT...

Nowhere in the Bible does it say to worship the Holy Spirit nor honor the Holy Spirit in worship, and I believe the reasons why is that God's glory rests in the Son,

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

...and that the Holy Spirit was sent to dwell in us to lead us to glorify the Son and by Him, God the Father;

John 16:13-14King James Version (KJV)
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me:.....

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

.. because the only way to honor the Father in anything is to honor the Son, and the moment we stop honoring the Son, even if it was to honor the Holy Spirit, which the Holy Spirit in us would never lead us to do, we are no longer honoring the Father.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

I would testify that verse 22 above weighs the importance of this discussion because all believers will be judged by this. If you do not believe that, then explain John 5:22-23, and explain why no mention of honoring the Father by honoring the Holy Spirit is there. You are not going to find scripture anywhere to support worshipping the "Trinity" as "Trinity" when the only name above all other name is the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God by Whom God the Father is glorified by.

Application of this belief can be supported by the words of Paul as he gave this warning in verse 12 below.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

If I am reading this wrong, you have to prove that by explaining what Paul is asking believers to always obey even in his absence then.

I believe in the Triune God, but scripture does not support the modified Nicene creed of 381 A.D. stand on the practise of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. I do believe the Nicene creed is in violation of the Father's will on the only way we are to honor Him in worship, and that is by honoring the Son in worship.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That was not about just salvation, but how we come to God the Father in anything.

And that is what the Holy Spirit has been sent to dwell in us in leading us to do; to not speak of Himself in seeking His own glory, but of the Son in seeking His glory, and by doing so, honoring & glorifying the Father at the same time.

We can only honor The Father in worship by only honoring the Son in glorifying Him, as it is by Him, we honor & glorify God the Father. The way has been broadened in worship as warned by Jesus in Matthew 7:13-27 and the solution is to narrow the way back to putting the spotlight only on the Son in worship in Luke 13:24-30 if we seek to honor God the Father at all. Those two references show why many believers will be left behind from the Marriage Supper at the pretribulational rapture event which adds weight to the standard of judgment raised as mentioned earlier in John 5:22-23

There are no scripture supporting the practise of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. There are scripture testifying to the Holy Spirit being of the Triune God, but it is not the deity of the Holy Spirit that is in question, but the will of the Father in how Jesus has testified specifically how we are to honor the Father and that is by only honoring the Son. There is no other way to do this in worship.
 
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I reckon when so many denomenations honors the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, addressing the Holy Spirit in prayer to come and fall on them, as some hymnals & bulletins will lead them to do, no one will see how that is NOT honoring the Father at all.

And this is why so many denomenations experience this iniquity of falling away from the faith in 1994 when the holy laughter movement visited their church, thus gathering grapes of thorns & figs of thistles being the ecumenical fruit of the false prophet from which the purpose of the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. was for.
 
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Holy Spirit = God
Holy Spirt = Part of the Trinity
We worship God

So with those 3 points above we worship The Holy Spirit.

And so the Holy Spirit can be addressed in worship?

And so the Holy Spirit can be honored in worship?

And so the Holy Spirit can lead believers to speak of Himself to glorify Himself in worship?

What happens when believers ask the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them and you get confusion like in the holy laughter movement, The Toronto Blessings, or whatever movement of the "Spirit" where believers fall down as if stricken with a seizure?

If you say that was not the Holy Spirit, how can you explain that they had addressed the Holy Spirit when the "seducing spirits" had responded with signs and confusion?

Maybe Jesus really meant what He had said that He is the only way any believer can come to God the Father in worship anywhere so as to avoid seducing spirits?

Maybe that is why the real indwelling Holy Spirit would not speak of Himself but glorify the Son as those led by the Spirit will be doing the same thing?

Only seducing spirits would take that spotlight away from the Son in worship. The real indwelling Holy Spirit would not.
 
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You do realize the Holy Spirit is God? The Holy Spirit is not just a fluttery thing, it's a He, and He has feelings.

The Holy Spirit is also a vital part of the Trinity, they all deserve the glory even though Jesus (God in the flesh) was the one to die for us.

Too many people are forgetting that the Holy Spirit is a gift from Jesus Christ Himself, the Holy Spirit is a guide and a comforter in times of need.

I'd highly recommend getting to know Him, the Holy Spirit.
 
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And so the Holy Spirit can be addressed in worship?

And so the Holy Spirit can be honored in worship?

And so the Holy Spirit can lead believers to speak of Himself to glorify Himself in worship?

What happens when believers ask the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them and you get confusion like in the holy laughter movement, The Toronto Blessings, or whatever movement of the "Spirit" where believers fall down as if stricken with a seizure?

If you say that was not the Holy Spirit, how can you explain that they had addressed the Holy Spirit when the "seducing spirits" had responded with signs and confusion?

Maybe Jesus really meant what He had said that He is the only way any believer can come to God the Father in worship anywhere so as to avoid seducing spirits?

Maybe that is why the real indwelling Holy Spirit would not speak of Himself but glorify the Son as those led by the Spirit will be doing the same thing?

Only seducing spirits would take that spotlight away from the Son in worship. The real indwelling Holy Spirit would not.

I think you're confused in this, please seek the Lord.

The bible is VERY clear on the fact that we should NEVER ever blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying His gifts are of the devil.

I'm not sure that you're really familiar with the Trinity, I'd implore you to study it more in depth. As I stated above the Holy Spirit is a He, and He has feelings...
 
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You do realize the Holy Spirit is God?

As stated in the OP.

The Holy Spirit is not just a fluttery thing, it's a He, and He has feelings.

Fully aware of that truth.

The Holy Spirit is also a vital part of the Trinity, they all deserve the glory even though Jesus (God in the flesh) was the one to die for us.

That is the point of discussion of where the scriptural support for that practise of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son when the Holy Spirit would not lead us to speak of Himself in seeking His own glory but of the Son in seeking His glory and by doing so, giving glory to God the Father.

Too many people are forgetting that the Holy Spirit is a gift from Jesus Christ Himself, the Holy Spirit is a guide and a comforter in times of need.

I'd highly recommend getting to know Him, the Holy Spirit.

Since He will not speak of Himself but of the Son, and the Son testified that we will know the Holy Spirit by Him dwelling within us and while dwelling in us, is still pointing us to the Bridegroom in getting to know Jesus Christ and God personally in His way.

The Spirit of Christ is representing Christ, conveying Christ's words to us for us to get to know the Bridegroom personally and thereby us being as the chaste bride of Christ.

There is no focus on the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit is leading us to focus on the Bridegroom in relating to God the Father by. Those that focus on the Holy Spirit in worship or TO the Holy Spirit in prayer are not being led by the Holy Spirit to do that.

I would suggest rereading the scriptures in the OP to see why John 5:22-23 is a major concern that should be shared by all believers in Jesus Christ.
 
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I think you're confused in this, please seek the Lord.

Psalm 27:7 Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me. 8 When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek. 9 Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.

Seek the face of the Bridegroom, the Lord Jesus Christ, for He will be coming soon. The Son is the One that the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing us to so we can avoid seducing spirits.

The bible is VERY clear on the fact that we should NEVER ever blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying His gifts are of the devil.

The Bible is clear about the supernatural tongue of the devil as babbling nonsense that comes with no interpretation.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

The Bible is clear about the real God's gift of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

I'm not sure that you're really familiar with the Trinity, I'd implore you to study it more in depth. As I stated above the Holy Spirit is a He, and He has feelings...

The point of a discussion is a mutual exchange of information by sharing what we know along with the scripture.

I do not have a problem with the Trinity doctrine per se; it is the heretical application of it when assuming that just because the Holy Spirit is God, it is okay to worship Him with the Father & the Son, BUT scripture does not support, let alone teach that, BUT it is very specific about how God the Father wants us to honour Him and that is by honouring only the Son which is exactly what the real Holy Spirit has been sent to dwell in us to do..
 
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I think you're confused in this, please seek the Lord. The bible is VERY clear on the fact that we should NEVER ever blaspheme the Holy Spirit by saying His gifts are of the devil.
Eureka! The eternal fire of Hell presided over by Satan is a pagan belief which attached itself to Christianity some time before the composition of the Gospel of St. Matthew, that is to say, after A.D. 200. The references of Jesus to Satan are so rare and so vague that one may suppose him to have had no belief in a personal Devil, 2 though he certainly believed in the powers of evil. The Christian idea of the Prince of Darkness seems to have entered the Faith through Mithraism, wherein Mithra was "Light" personified, and hence Evil was "Darkness "; and Satan is simply the old Persian Ahriman, the eternal enemy of Ormuzd, and the ancient Egyptian Set, the opponent of Osiris. In his form as Mephistopheles he is to be traced to the once much-loved god Pan; and as Beelzebub he is Zeus Myiagros, "the Disperser of the Flies," who, to the Philistines at Ekron, was Ba'al-z'bub, "Lord of the Flies," a once benevolent god, patron of the flocks.
Christianity has concerned itself so much with this mythical Devil, with the fiery furnace, and with man's escape from it through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ upon the cross, and it has advocated so continually the worship of Jesus as God and Saviour, that it has detached the attention of its members from the fact that the mission of the Faith should really be the furtherance of the Kingdom of God on earth, the establishment of right conditions amongst living men 1 Peter iii, 19; iv. 6.
2 The whole passage in Matt. xxv. 31-46 is of very dubious authenticity. Pages 271-273 PAGANISM IN OUR CHRISTIANITY
 
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The reason why this debate is taking place between all of you, is because of the fundamentals you have based all of your prior and "set-in-stone" beliefs on.
Let's just, for one moment, consider the posibility of the doctrine of the trinity being false, even though beliving in such a doctrine means also beleiving in something that was never actually mentioned in the bible, but thats a different argument.

Jesus is one. Its scriptural above all, but also doctrinal for Apostalic Pentecostals. (UPCI)
Dueteronomy 6:4, Revelation 7:15-17, Colossians 2:9, Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 4:5-6, John 10:30, James 2:19, and Revelation 4:2 all exhibit just how "one" Jesus is. Jesus being the one that encompasses all three manefestations of God. (Father, Son, Holy Ghost)

If this doctrine is to be believed as true, then it takes out completely, the argument prior to it. The Holy Ghost is God. The Father is God. Jesus is God, but they all dwell within Jesus. (Colssians 2:9) God deserves and demands our praise. That is why The Holy Ghost also recieves the same praise and worship. Without the Holy Spirit, we have nothing on this Earth besides the Word. He is the manefestaion of God here. One that we can call upon for help and one we pray to and one we praise.
 
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Anything that disagrees with this is heresy:

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)v
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)
 
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That doesn't nagate the Doctrine of Oneness, scripture only backs up scripture and truth. And thats exactly what Oneness is.
There is a reason that once that is belived to be true, it starts to unravel and make many arguments irrelvant, prior to its belief. (Arguments prior to its belief)
 
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There is no such a thing as a trinity.

Of course there is. Only heretics deny the Trinity.

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)v
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)
 
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Jesus said that he who has seen Him has seen the Father. John 14:9.
That was Him claiming to be God.
Jesus was and is God, that is an extremely large and undeniable fundamental of christianity. If He isnt God, then His name has no power and nor do His claims, the ones that said He could forgive our sins.
He is absolutely and completely God in the flesh.
 
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There a three manefestations of God. Jesus, The Father, The Holy Ghost. The Father represents God of all and all time. He is the manefestation that will make that call regarding when the last day and hour will be, but Jesus is also God.

And without contreversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto Gentiles, believed on in the world, recieved up into glory. -1 Timothy 3:16.

•those descriptors that are describing God, are also describing Jesus. All of those things happened to Jesus, but at the beginning of the verse it says,"God." Meaning Jesus and God are one.
 
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The reason why this debate is taking place between all of you, is because of the fundamentals you have based all of your prior and "set-in-stone" beliefs on.
Let's just, for one moment, consider the posibility of the doctrine of the trinity being false, even though beliving in such a doctrine means also beleiving in something that was never actually mentioned in the bible, but thats a different argument.

Jesus is one. Its scriptural above all, but also doctrinal for Apostalic Pentecostals. (UPCI)

John 5:31 testifies that Jesus cannot speak of Himself; otherwise His witness is not true.

John 7:18 testifies that those that speak of him that sent him, then no unrighteousness is in his witness.

This is why the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself ( John 16:13 ) but of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:14 )

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips

Can God break His own word? No. He cannot.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

The fulfillment of this prophesy was here.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

This shows how God follows His own word in how He establishes a word in testimony or even to judge anyone.

Deuteronomy 17:6At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Even this guideline has been carried over to the N.T.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mo
uth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

This is how the Triune God had established a word in creation when this was written in this wise.

Genesis 1:

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

So Three Witnesses within the One God is the reality for God to established a word in creation.

The same goes for when God judged the people at the tower of Babylon.

Genesis 11: 5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

The use of the plural pronoun is testifying to different Witnesses within the One God.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.....26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jesus makes use of the plural pronoun in verse 23 and signified Himself as separate from the Holy Spirit & the Father in announcing that promise in verse 26.

So God is One and yet God keeps His own words in how He establishes a word and judge any one because there are 3 Witnesses within the One God.

That said is why the Holy Spirit Whom is sent to dwell in us to NOT speak of Himself in seeking His own glory but to testify of the Son in seeking His glory is why believers are not being led by the Holy Spirit to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son.

By ourselves, our witness does not stand as true in God's words but because we are sharing the same testimony as the Spirit's, our testimony in witnessing of the Son which includes that witness in worship is true and how we are honouring & glorifying the Father by honouring & glorifying the Son in worship as the glory of God rests on His Son.

As the scriptural reference in the OP has stated.
 
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Of course there is. Only heretics deny the Trinity.

We believe in (Romans 10:8-10; 1John 4:15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6:4, Ephesians 4:6)
the Father (Matthew 6:9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6:3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1:1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1:15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11:17)
the Son of God, (Mathew 14:33; 16:16)
the Only-Begotten, (John 1:18; 3:16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1:2)
Light of Light; (Psalm 27:1; John 8:12; Matthew 17:2,5)
True God of True God; (John 17:1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1:18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10:30)
by whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1:1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1Timothy 2:4-5)
came down from Heaven, (John 6:33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, (Luke 1:35)
and became man. (John 1:14)
And was crucified for us (Mark 15:25; 1Cointhians 15:3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19:6)
and suffered, (Mark 8:31)
and was buried. (Luke 23:53; 1Corinthians 15:4)
And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures. (Luke 24:1 1Corinthians 15:4)
And ascended into Heaven, (Luke 24:51; Acts 1:10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father. (Mark 16:19; Acts 7:55)
And He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24:27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10:42; 2Timothy 4:1)
whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1:11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14:26)
the Lord, (Acts 5:3-4)v
the Giver of Life, (Genesis 1:2)
Who proceeds from the Father; (John 15:26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19:20 ; Ezekiel 11:5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2:5,9)
catholic, (Mark 16:15)
and apostolic Church. (Acts 2:42; Ephesians 2:19-22)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4:5; Acts 2:38)
I look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11:24; 1Corinthians 15:12-49; Hebrews 6:2; Revelation 20:5)
and the life of the world to come. (Mark 10:29-30)
AMEN. (Psalm 106:48)

Since you had put up that list, and believe in it as scriptural, I dare say.. do check those references because not all are not validating each line in the Nicene creed.

In keeping with the OP, proof is here...

Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; (Matthew 3:16-17)

Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

That reference says nothing about validating the practise of worshipping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, now did it? All it did was testified to Two Witnesses from Heaven in establishing the testimony that Jesus is the Son of God. You can find more scriptures testifying to the Three Witnesses within the One God, BUT there is no scripture teaching the practise to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son. None.

That is not the only scriptural reference that is not validating each line in that creed, but you need to start another thread for that one.

 
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Jesus said that he who has seen Him has seen the Father. John 14:9.
That was Him claiming to be God.
Jesus was and is God, that is an extremely large and undeniable fundamental of christianity. If He isnt God, then His name has no power and nor do His claims, the ones that said He could forgive our sins.
He is absolutely and completely God in the flesh.

Being created in "our" image would suggest what? The Father has an image too in that One God.

John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

Reads to me that a day will be coming where Jesus will not serve as our Mediator wherein we can see the Father plainly & ask Him for He loves us too.

Remember the words of Jesus?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

No man had seen God the Father at any time, but Jesus did.

And yet...

God was seen by Abraham and Jacob.

Genesis 18:1 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Genesis 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. 25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. 27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. 28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. 29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. 30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Whom did they see?

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

So all the accounts of men having seen the Lord in the O.T. was the Son of God, not the Father in keeping with His words.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life....46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

So the Son of God had visited earth from the beginning of creation since Adam had seen God walking in the garden before his fall.

So no man had seen God the Father... yet, but if anyone wants to know God the Father personally, by knowing Jesus, we know the Father as well for He will be the same as Jesus in character and in judgment and in love.
 
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Being created in "our" image would suggest what? The Father has an image too in that One God.
So no man had seen God the Father... yet, but if anyone wants to know God the Father personally, by knowing Jesus, we know the Father as well for He will be the same as Jesus in character and in judgment and in love.
Amen! One God, One Jesus, One baptism. Col 2:23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
 
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A brother from India was telling me one day in another christian forum of how he used to not believe that the Holy Spirit did those dramatic manifestations any more until one day, after his adult Sunday School class was done on the lesson of the Pentecost, his church held a service to honor the Holy Spirit on that calender day of Pentecost.

As he was honoring the Holy Spirit in worship, he felt something like liquid nitrogen seeping through his skull, and then he began to confess against his will an apology to the Holy Spirit for not believing that He did those dramatic manifestations today.

The Lord led me to discern that spirit as not the Holy Spirit that was coming over him.

#1. It defies the line of discernment given in 1 John 4:1-4 about what is the spirit of the antichrist & Whom is the real Holy Spirit when the real Holy Spirit would not be coming into a believer again when He is already within the believer as promised for coming to & believing in Jesus Christ.

That means any believer that "feels" a sensational sign in the flesh of a spirit coming over them & filling them again is NOT the Holy Spirit that was received by faith in Jesus Christ when they were saved at the hearing of the gospel.

It is phenomenon like this that we get preaching "another" baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues ( which happens to comes with no interpretation ) as well as other signs and lying wonders after the workings of Satan that focuses on receiving the "Spirit" again and again and again.

This is why believers doubt their salvation and so when they address the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them after seeing an incident like that, guess what? It happens again, and thus in their minds they believe that if one does not speak in tongues ( which is still not of other men's lips for God to speak unto the people but babbling nonsense ), they do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore they are not saved.

Because of these "second & repeating encounters, many believers try explain Biblically what it is, but scripture warned it was not of Him ( 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 13:5 )

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way......

The iniquity is broadening the way in the worship place to include the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son which is how these churches are at risk for these phenomenons of visiting seducing spirits to occur.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

To be left behind at the pre tribulational rapture event in becoming that vessel unto dishonour in His House is a damnation, but although the prodigal son had given up his first inheritance for wild living, he is still son as they will be received later on after the great tribulation just because they have His seal.

IMPORTANT: Paul is not reminding believers when they had received the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ which was by the hearing of the gospel.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

To receive the Holy Spirit again is to make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Spirit the first time when knocking at the door of Jesus Christ.

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

May the Lord Jesus Christ help you to see that promise and assurance that the Holy Spirit once received, would not be received again.

And yet when churches ignore Jesus's words on the only way to the Father is through the Son ( John 14:6 ) in worship, by including the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, God allows this dishonorable worship to suffer a thief to break through which is why the "holy laughter" movement went across the denomenational barrier as happening in Catholic & Protestant churches and thus no longer a streamlined Pentecostal/Charismatic event in 1994.

This does not mean it happened in every church, but it does mean that the devil like a roaming lion seeking whom he may devour, can happen when the way is broadened in the worship place for seducing spirits to come in.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

Did not Jesus mentioned the falling down for broadening the way in Matthew 7:13-27 at this link?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7:13-27&version=KJV

So there is a need to narrow the way back to the Son for the focus in worship or risk being left behind. That also includes not believing there is a presence in communion since the Son of God is the focus and not the bread nor the wine in worship service.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

#2. The Spirit of Christ is representing Christ as being meek & lowly in heart. Here was a brother doing what I have been led not to do, and that is the thanks a believer will get for taking time out to honor the Holy Spirit? So that was not the Holy Spirit.

#3. The Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself, but glorify the Son, and this seducing spirit was certainly taking that spotlight from the Son in worship when they were honoring the Holy Spirit.

#4. God prefers a willing genuine confession and not a forced one.
 
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