are we free to post local news from our home countries here ?

Hoshiyya · May 25, 2015

Since, or if, MJ is not an American religion -
why all the American nationalist stuff on this forum ?

Can we please make a ruling against this ?

Or are we free to post local news from our home countries here ?

I interpret MJ as a religion of, and for, all the world.

It alienates me, and MANY, MANY, MANY others, when MJ is conceptualized as a pseudo-Mormon, America-obsessed thing.

If our friends in the US want to keep posting local news from their states or country, why shouldn't MJ Canadians, Australians, Ethiopians, Russians, Poles, Danes, Mexicans etc. etc. etc. also post local news from their countries here as well ?

I don't want that to happen, I am making a point here about the alienating nature of the nationalistic or the political.

Christian Forums happens to have at least one sub-forum SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED to news, recent events, American stuff, etc etc. so I think people should abide by that, and post local issues and recent events issues on those sub-forums.

pat34lee · May 25, 2015

America affects the world. The world does not always affect Americans. Facts of life.

Hoshiyya · May 25, 2015

And ?
There are two problems with what you said.

1) America and MJ are two completely distinct things.

2)
America does affect the world, and the world does affect America.
Britain does affect the world, and the world does affect Britain.
Russia does affect the world, and the world does affect Russia.
China does affects the world, and the world does affect China.
So should this forum be flooded with local news from Shropshire, Moskva, St. Petersburg and Beijing ?
I should think not.

Christian Forums happens to have at least one sub-forum SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED to news, recent events, American stuff, etc etc.

So why ignore that, and post American political stuff on the MJ sub-forum ?
Why post (eg.) British, Chinese, Polish, Swedish, Mexican local news on the MJ sub-forum ?
Why post local, national stuff here, when there is a specific sub-forum dedicated to this ?

pat34lee · May 25, 2015

I did not say America the second time.
The world does not always affect Americans.
We are particularly insulated when we choose to be.
Sometimes it isn't by choice.

For all that, I see nothing wrong with local or personal news from anywhere. I think we are nearing the end of such open sharing of information.

Hoshiyya · May 25, 2015

"I see nothing wrong with local or personal news from anywhere. I think we are nearing the end of such open sharing of information"

I agree. And there are specific sub-forums DEDICATED to that.

"The world does not always affect Americans." I disagree, but that's beside the point.

Lulav · May 25, 2015

Why are you doing this Hoshyiah?

The story I posted is of interest to all Jews, thus it should be of interest to MJ, Jew or Gentile.

ContraMundum · May 26, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
Since, or if, MJ is not an American religion -
why all the American nationalist stuff on this forum ?

Can we please make a ruling against this ?

Or are we free to post local news from our home countries here ?

I interpret MJ as a religion of, and for, all the world.

It alienates me, and MANY, MANY, MANY others, when MJ is conceptualized as a pseudo-Mormon, America-obsessed thing.

If our friends in the US want to keep posting local news from their states or country, why shouldn't MJ Canadians, Australians, Ethiopians, Russians, Poles, Danes, Mexicans etc. etc. etc. also post local news from their countries here as well ?

I don't want that to happen, I am making a point here about the alienating nature of the nationalistic or the political.

Christian Forums happens to have at least one sub-forum SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED to news, recent events, American stuff, etc etc. so I think people should abide by that, and post local issues and recent events issues on those sub-forums.

I agree 100%

ContraMundum · May 26, 2015

Lulav said:
Why are you doing this Hoshyiah?

The story I posted is of interest to all Jews, thus it should be of interest to MJ, Jew or Gentile.

I think stuff of interest for all is cool. I guess it's really US nationalism that Hosshy was talking about. I'd be in line with that.

Funny thing that a lot of Americans equate conservative theology as being in total agreement with conservative US politics- which of course is a myth if not a heresy.

ContraMundum · May 26, 2015

pat34lee said:
The world does not always affect Americans.

It does a lot more than you might think. Americans just don't get to see it. Living abroad for the last couple of decades has helped me to see how little Americans are exposed to the rest of the world due to the media's obsession with itself and the training that it gives to the American people. As one person put it- Americans know more about pop culture than geography or science. They know what the Kardshians are doing but not about the bloody struggle for democracy in S. Sudan.

Norbert L · May 26, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
If our friends in the US want to keep posting local news from their states or country, why shouldn't MJ Canadians, Australians, Ethiopians, Russians, Poles, Danes, Mexicans etc. etc. etc. also post local news from their countries here as well ?

I think people from other countries should share news when it affects the MJ community. If the rule is made that no one is allowed, then it creates two other problems. 1) Censorship, the no news is good news scenario. That there is no awareness of difficulties and issues being faced by MJ throughout the world in other nations. 2) There is no way to offer feedback, to offer support for issues being faced by Messianics world-wide.

I believe favoritism in such a thing can't be shown and nowadays it's just as likely to happen to the rich man who is told, “You, stand over there,” or, “Sit down on the floor by my feet” (Jm 2:3)

Lulav · May 26, 2015

ContraMundum said:
I think stuff of interest for all is cool. I guess it's really US nationalism that Hosshy was talking about. I'd be in line with that.

Funny thing that a lot of Americans equate conservative theology as being in total agreement with conservative US politics- which of course is a myth if not a heresy.

No he was talking about a thread I started where he started his tirade against this. What I posted was not about "US nationalism". I posted a thread about the Jews first home in the modern world where they could practice their religion without fear and before Israel was even made a nation. A place where Jews were welcome. On the channel I get, Jewish TV they had a special yesterday about this and were discussing a letter sent to George Washington by a congregation in Rhode Island. They talked about the careful wording, and other things. I thought this would be something to share with my friends in MJ.

I see a campaign against this as anti-Jewish and there's no place for that here.

Open Heart · May 26, 2015

Hoshiyya, you are being overly sensitive. If a post is of interest to Jews or messianics, it is welcome here, even if it is a national kind of story. For example, if there is a story about anti-semitism in France, it is appropriate, even though it is a french story. Do you see the point?

Hoshiyya · May 26, 2015

So when the Russian or British or Iranian or Japanese soldiers' memorial day rolls around, you'd expect - or LIKE - to see threads created to remind people of, and honor, these soldiers ?

And correlate (eg.) Russia to the House of David ?

Really ?

Hoshiyya · May 26, 2015

Lulav said:
No he was talking about a thread I started where he started his tirade against this. What I posted was not about "US nationalism". I posted a thread about the Jews first home in the modern world where they could practice their religion without fear and before Israel was even made a nation. A place where Jews were welcome. On the channel I get, Jewish TV they had a special yesterday about this and were discussing a letter sent to George Washington by a congregation in Rhode Island. They talked about the careful wording, and other things. I thought this would be something to share with my friends in MJ.

I see a campaign against this as anti-Jewish and there's no place for that here.

I see USA nationalism and local news from various countries as being appropriate for the Recent News forum, and not the MJ forum. These are the rules of CF.

Open Heart · May 26, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
So when the Russian or British or Iranian or Japanese soldiers' memorial day rolls around, you'd expect - or LIKE - to see threads created to remind people of, and honor, these soldiers ?

Only if it's directly related to Judaism, as the post in this forum was.

Hoshiyya · May 26, 2015

Open Heart said:
Only if it's directly related to Judaism, as the post in this forum was.

1) Anything can be framed as MJ. Any soldiers' memorial day can be framed or presented as a MJ thing, if you want. And hence, any non-MJ issue can be falsely presented as MJ, despite the fact that CF has forums spefically dedicated to recent news and national issues.

2) So you really want to see Russian, Chinese and Iraqi solider's memorial days here. Wow. Is this because you imagine that it just won't happen ? Is this because you simply think non-Americans wont bother ? Or are you really inviting non-Americans to treat CF the same way Americans do ?

(The term "Americans" refers here to inhabitants of the USA, since they are the only ones who treat the MJ sub-forum as a GBTV/The Blaze-style news-outlet.)

Honestly, I would imagine that if MJ is connected to any gentile people, that would discredit it, to all the world, including to Americans. If we wanted an American religion, we might as well be Mormon. MJ should be, or at least I supposed that God's truth would be, for all the world, and not inherently an American thing, for if indeed it is inherently American - how can it be the religion of Yeshua, who preached in the 1st century, well before the USA even existed ?

In my view, regionalism/nationalism discredits MJ.

Hoshiyya · May 26, 2015

I want to clarify that I genuinely LIKE the USA and the American people. Actually, I LOVE the American culture and the creators of this innovative, creative culture. But I just don't see what it has to do with the TIMELESS, ETERNAL TRUTH OF HASHEM.

Even Bashar Al-Assad said that "America was #1" and in many ways, that is TEMPORARILY the case. America is the Rome of today, and it rocks.

BUT, what does regional US news have to do with MJ ?

I don't want to make enemies here. But I just don't see why American (US) people don't realize how alienating their national/regional concerns can be to adherents of MJ from other parts of this globe.
And I further think that if this forum was dominated by non-Americans who posted non-American national news, the result would be that Americans would feel alienated. And I don't want ANYONE to feel alienated from the TRUTH OF HASHEM.

Hoshiyya · May 26, 2015

My American friends, please don't hate me. Please try to understand where I'm coming from. I love you guys, I love your language and your culture... but come on! Is MJ for all the world, or not ?

Lulav · May 26, 2015

The founding of the USA is not 'regional news', and being a place for the Jews to come to and be welcomed and live in relative safety should be of interest to all those who purport to be MJ's. It was because of a news program on Jewish TV that I was made aware of the relationship of Jews in this country. It's not about the holiday itself but of much greater import.

You are not protesting against US news, you are protesting against the Jews who helped found, defend and protect this country; That is abysmal in my estimation.

And if you don't care to learn about that, so be it, but don't ruin it for everyone else, many have told me they liked reading the letters.

You really want this to be put out on the general news forums where the Jews could be torn to pieces?? because that is what would happen. :nowords:

Open Heart · May 26, 2015

Hoshiyya said:
Anything can be framed as MJ.

Oh puhleeze. Stop it.

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