Why you should not buy Apple computers

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Now I see there was a typo, I was not supposed to write "stopp getting bored". I'm a bit tired as it's past midnight over here now, a $2 bottle of apple vinegar just fell on the floor.

Oh no! Well you better go take a nap/ sleep cycle::sleepsymbol: I try to lay down 4hrs out of every 24 wither I need it or not;:exclamation: it's been good chatting with you and don't let them electronic servants take over; sometimes ya got to make them mind and pull the plug! :electricplug::oldthumbsup:
 
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I had heard that Mac's are very difficult to hack. Is that true?

No.

http://www.welivesecurity.com/2014/03/21/10-years-of-mac-os-x-malware/

If you want high security and control go to Linux. If you want intuitive UI, cutting edge games and office works go to Windows with common sense of security.

BTW, in many hacking competitions, it is the macs which get hacked first.

Thanks.....what does that mean? :sorry:

It is the same reason terrorists choose crowded places as their targets. The more person gets affected by it, the more reaction they get. Ever heard of a terrorist strike a deserted place (considering it is the bodily harm they want to cause)?
 
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I like most Apple products. My only problem is with some of the security features, designed to help prevent theft, but that can cause problems for honest people. My bag with my iphone, ipad, so much else, was stolen right after I arrived in the US for a year abroad. I bought a replacement ipad from a girl, who seemed legitimate. We met, I checked it out. It worked perfectly, was in good condition. Then I did a restore, to make sure all of her personal information was gone. It asked for her Apple ID and password, which I did not have. I couldn't contact her, as with craigslist, the anon emails people use for selling things stops working after the ad has been deleted. The Apple ID doesn't show the full email address, so I couldn't contact her. I think she didn't know that she had to disconnect the account, as a friend hadn't either when she sold her ipad and the buyer contacted her. I have a very expensive paperweight, lol.

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How do I get a Xiaomi device in the U.S.?

While consumers in countries such as China, Singapore, Malaysia and India can order directly from Xiaomi via the Mi.com website, U.S. residents cannot. But you can still get a Xiaomi device via retailers and importers, such as Newegg and DHGate, for a small fee. Shipping a product, such as the $20 MI Band, via www.xiaomishop.com costs $22. Even after including that cost, though, Xiaomi products are still a steal.
 
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:bigeye:Oh darn...I guess the view on what's better or worse all depends on what we use a computer for. I've had a Power Mac for 11 years and is still going. I've used it for graphic design/photography...and some animation while I was in college. So it's been all good experiences so far.
But hey, my respect for those who prefer to control what goes in and out of their desktops and enjoy building their own.

Wish I had the patience for that. :argh:
 
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You should not buy an Apple computer for the same reason you should not buy a "smartphone tablet".

It's platform lock. You have to use the apps and hardware they say, and sometimes it's very expensive (as in the case of apple).

If you want a well designed PC, buy a Thinkpad. They are much better than macbooks and once you use the trackpoint, you'd never want to use a touchpad again.

Also, Mac OSX used to be the prefered platform for graphic/animation design but that is no longer the case...both linux and Windows have caught up.
 
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I've always been a Mac person, since I was two years old in 1989 and my dad brought his work computer home for the summer (he was an educator for 40 years and Apple has always had a close relationship with education).

I've had a PC, I did a bit of customization with it, but in my experience even a customized computer doesn't necessarily surpass the quality of a Mac.

I do a lot of video post production work, I've used both Mac and PC platforms and just about every NLE software on the market (some programs on both platforms). Without question, the Mac has been a better platform for that. I can't tell you how many projects I lost because of hardware or software issues. I've never had that problem on my Mac systems and I've edited on an assortment of machines. All of the PC's were custom-built machines by loyal PC users who knew their stuff, and the Mac's I've used were an iMac, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro and the Mac G5.

On paper those PC's should've smoked the Mac's, but I'm just convinced there's no substitution for how well macs are put together and how well they integrate with their platform.

When you're dealing with massive amounts of data, like real time editing of uncompressed HD, 4K, 5K or 6K footage, you really don't want to risk that footage on an unstable system so the cost of a Mac more than pays for itself in that respect alone.
 
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I can't tell you how many projects I lost because of hardware or software issues.

I've heard this statement before from other Mac users, and I find it hard to believe. I've been working on Windows machines since 1995 and I have yet to lose one single photo, print or video project.

On paper those PC's should've smoked the Mac's, but I'm just convinced there's no substitution for how well macs are put together and how well they integrate with their platform.

I can build a better PC for what it cost to purchase a Mac. That PC will also blow away the Mac in any real life performance tests.

When you're dealing with massive amounts of data, like real time editing of uncompressed HD, 4K, 5K or 6K footage, you really don't want to risk that footage on an unstable system so the cost of a Mac more than pays for itself in that respect alone.

That's just plain ridiculous. Since I can purchase the same hardware that's in a Mac and put it in a vanilla case, then the only argument you really have is that OSX is a better operating system...and even that is subjective.
 
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I've heard this statement before from other Mac users, and I find it hard to believe. I've been working on Windows machines since 1995 and I have yet to lose one single photo, print or video project.

Good for you. I've been editing on PC's since 1999 and I've lost several projects on all of them (which were custom built). I've yet to lose a project on a Mac. This is my factual experience.

I can build a better PC for what it cost to purchase a Mac. That PC will also blow away the Mac in any real life performance tests.

I've heard that before. Every PC I've ever used, except for the one I personally owned, was custom made. The machines in the post-production labs I used in my high school production classes were all custom-built, the machines I used for the production house I worked for a few years back were custom-built. I've even edited substantial projects on friends custom-built machines. None of them were as stable as the Macs I've used. Again, this is my factual experience.

That's just plain ridiculous. Since I can purchase the same hardware that's in a Mac and put it in a vanilla case, then the only argument you really have is that OSX is a better operating system...and even that is subjective.

Look if my experience had been different than I would most likely own a PC. My experience has shown me that when I'm handling the workloads of post-production work, Macs have handled the demands of those workloads better than PCs. If that's not your experience then congratulations, but it's not mine.
 
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I've seen Mac OSX apps crash a lot. It would have a never ending spinning circle. Same with windows and linux.

Stability depends a lot on the drivers, apps, and hardware in that order.

Operating systems have improved so much that it's very rare to see a crash, it's almost always related to the driver/hardware.
 
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If anybody makes the mistake of thinking that PCs cannot handle massive amount of data and massive calculation ability, he should disabuse themselves by being familiar with the information that almost all of the worlds servers and datacenters are running either debian or RHEL linux or Microsoft Windows Server and all of the world's supercomuters use their own customized edition of linux.

Moreover, if anybody thinks that Macs never ever crash,
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Regarding stable operative systems, I would like to mention my Windows 7 AMD laptop:
Winter 2011/2012 low-end model. I bought it used for a fair price at the end of the Winter 2012/2013.
15.6" monitor 1366*768 pixels. Non-glare.
RAM maxed out (to 8 GB which was the typical max RAM at the time in low-end machines).
A '13 3rd generation hybrid drive with 8 GB SSD part - this made a big impact in performance and was comparatively fairly priced at the time.
Drawbacks of it: I can't get the very latest OliveTree books into it until after a while since OliveTree codes books first for Windows 8.0/8.1/10 i.e. Windows Store Apps which Win 7 doesn't support. Firefox often gives an unresponsive script error but that encourages me to not to use the computer only for surfing which and that way I end up saving precious time. Regarding drivers which is important, drivers can be downloaded but the site is rather slow - tested with two different broadbands. Pretty low-end CPU performance wise EDIT - it's this particular CPU series starting with an "E" in the model name.
Positive about it: Magnificent keyboard. like I mentioned supports the widest range of Bible Study Softwares (I'm a geek so I run older versions as well if there are benefits such as speed or use and if the software uses the same license for books as newer versions). I can easily keep a couple of hundred Firefox tabs open - some of them with a bit of ads, very few animated ads, simultaneously with half of the Bible Study softwares open in it as well as MS Word and Excel or Powerpoint (2007 version). I have 8 Bible Study softwares (mostly different versions of the same) in it and can install 2 more any time I want to, but that will be max. Very stable CPU for which AMD is well known, this particular CPU is however only a dualcore and like I said not that fast. Very good battery attachment, battery can swiftly be removed while balancing the computer, this is a life-saver for me since I usually remove the battery while keeping the computer running (or in power-save mode) in order to not to charge the battery a little at a time. Same charger as all the rest of the laptops I've been using frequently lately despite that the laptops are completely different from each other. Decent, suitable graphics card - AMD CPU equipped computers are also well-known for this, scrolls well.
It has survived being dropped on the floor twice. The hybrid drive lost the main partition on of those two times so I had to re-install everything, but I got away very easy as the fall was one meter which a standard disk shouldn't survive nor should necessarily the computer itself survive. So it's physically still the same hybrid drive in it as before the falls!
Everything works in it, even the built-in DVD/CD-RW.
For an antivirus-software I have Avira 1½ year license in it, previously had nothing such. This software has actually saved the computer - it repeatedly removed viruses and now it's been OK for a few Months. It doesn't slow down this low-end dual-core CPU computer.
A machine like this is very cheap now. I'm not saying this particular kind of computer is necessarily the very best over-all purchase, just that I'm always able to keep Windows running without rebooting for a couple of Months at a time without any other problems than that Wifi stops working after about four Weeks of running it without rebooting but I have a USB internet stick which uses broadband over a national cellular GSM network so that's not a problem at all to me.
The service I had to do to it in a computer workshop was to clean the inside from dust and rubbish - a heat sink:
I have Windows XP in a virtual machine, and native: Vista, 7, 8.0, 8.1. The 8.0 machine is the most comfortable to use and fastest - partially due to that it came with adequate RAM (12 GB) and no password, but Windows 7 is the one which supports my Bible Study softwares in the best way (all of them except one where have only one book and cheap Greek audio vocabulary cards software). [...]
 
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Unix said:
Hacking a computer is usually done with malware, keyloggers and viruses, if the market share is small most won't see the effort as worthwhile - as I've understood it what operative system someone has is not the first thing hackers find out:

You misunderstood me. I meant that you can actually customize a PC to your liking cheaply and easily.
 
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Yeah that's a different thing. By that particular post I was just responding to a question someone had - in fact now I can't find the post I responded to! But the post was asking if it's correct that Macs can't be easily hacked?:
You misunderstood me. I meant that you can actually customize a PC to your liking cheaply and easily.
EDIT: this is the post I was responding to, I found it on page 2:
Thank you for sharing with a novice computer person, Unix. I had heard that Mac's are very difficult to hack. Is that true?
 
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Six university researchers have revealed deadly zero-day flaws in Apple's iOS and OS X, claiming it is possible to crack Apple's password-storing keychain, break app sandboxes, and bypass its App Store security checks.

Attackers can steal passwords from installed apps, including the native email client, without being detected, by exploiting these bugs.


The team was able to upload malware to the Apple app store, passing the vetting process without triggering alerts. That malware, when installed on a victim's device, raided the keychain to steal passwords for services including iCloud and the Mail app, and all those stored within Google Chrome.

Lead researcher Luyi Xing told El Reg he and his team complied with Apple's request to withhold publication of the research for six months, but had not heard back as of the time of writing.

They say the holes are still present in Apple's software, meaning their work will likely be consumed by attackers looking to weaponize the work.

Apple was not available for immediate comment.

The Indiana University boffins Xing; Xiaolong Bai; XiaoFeng Wang; and Kai Chen joined Tongxin Li, of Peking University, and Xiaojing Liao, of Georgia Institute of Technology, to develop the research, which is detailed in a paper titled Unauthorized Cross-App Resource Access on MAC OS X and iOS.

"Recently we discovered a set of surprising security vulnerabilities in Apple's Mac OS and iOS that allows a malicious app to gain unauthorised access to other apps' sensitive data such as passwords and tokens for iCloud, Mail app and all web passwords stored by Google Chrome," Xing told The Register's security desk.

"Our malicious apps successfully went through Apple’s vetting process and was published on Apple’s Mac app store and iOS app store.

"We completely cracked the keychain service - used to store passwords and other credentials for different Apple apps - and sandbox containers on OS X, and also identified new weaknesses within the inter-app communication mechanisms on OS X and iOS which can be used to steal confidential data from Evernote, Facebook and other high-profile apps."

The team was able to raid banking credentials from Google Chrome on the latest Mac OS X 10.10.3, using a sandboxed app to steal the system's keychain data and secret iCloud tokens, and passwords from password vaults.



Photos were stolen from WeChat, and the token for popular cloud service Evernote was nabbed, allowing it to be fully compromised.

"The consequences are dire," the team wrote in the paper.

Some 88.6 per cent of 1,612 Mac and 200 iOS apps were found "completely exposed" to unauthorized cross-app resource access (XARA) attacks allowing malicious apps to steal otherwise secure data.

Xing says he reported the flaws to Apple in October 2014.



Apple security bods responded to the researchers in emails seen by El Reg expressing understanding for the gravity of the attacks, and asked for at least six months to fix the problems. In February, the Cupertino staffers requested an advanced copy of the research paper.

Google's Chromium security team was more responsive, and removed keychain integration for Chrome, noting that it could likely not be solved at the application level.

AgileBits, owner of popular software 1Password, said it could not find a way to ward off the attacks or make the malware "work harder" some four months after it was warned of the vulnerabilities.



The team's work into XARA attacks is the first of its kind; Apple's app isolation mechanisms are supposed to stop malicious apps from raiding each other. The researchers found "security-critical vulnerabilities" including cross-app resource-sharing mechanisms and communications channels such as the keychain, WebSocket and Scheme.

"Note that not only does our attack code circumvent the OS-level protection but it can also get through the restrictive app vetting process of the Apple Stores, completely defeating its multi-layer defense," the researchers wrote in the paper.

They say almost all XARA flaws arise from Apple's cross-app resource sharing and communication mechanisms such as keychain for sharing passwords, BID based separation, and URL scheme for app invocation, which is different from how the Android system works.

Their research, previously restricted to Android, would lead to a new line of work for the security community studying how the vulnerabilities affect Apple and other platforms.

Here's the boffins' description of their work:

Our study brings to light a series of unexpected, security-critical aws that can be exploited to circumvent Apple's isolation protection and its App Store's security vetting. The consequences of such attacks are devastating, leading to complete disclosure of the most sensitive user information (e.g., passwords) to a malicious app even when it is sandboxed.
Such findings, which we believe are just a tip of the iceberg, will certainly inspire the follow-up research on other XARA hazards across platforms. Most importantly, the new understanding about the fundamental cause of the problem is invaluable to the development of better app isolation protection for future OSes.

In-depth technical details are available in the aforementioned paper. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/17/apple_hosed_boffins_drop_0day_mac_ios_research_blitzkrieg/
 
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The first time I ever built my own computer, it took me less than one hour from unboxing the parts to getting it to boot to BIOS all bolted down. Much of that time was spent on doing first aid on myself when caught a very sharp metal on the case and figuring out why it went into a "boot loop" first time I pushed the power button. The boot loop was due to missing a tiny power connection to the motherboard.

It was also my first time to choose the parts myself. I just picked it them up from the store and they all surprisingly worked together without a hitch.

I learned to do it from the internet and from opening my old computer and studying how it was put together.

I also preferred to install OS and apps myself so if I buy a laptop, I buy one without an OS - empty slate. Because pre-installed apps tend to be horrible mix which slows the computer soon enough. One I did in my old 2009 laptop, still worked as fast as I installed its OS the first time in 2009!

Our computers could remain quite useful and quite reliable for at least 10 years if setup adequately with a little research and if not carelessly placed in situations where it will overheat. It will save you a lot of headaches and money!
 
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I like my MacBook Pro. First Apple product and I'd consider getting one again, though unlike some Apple people, I don't treat the company like a religion (although those who hate Apple aren't much better). I also have a Lenovo with Linux Mint KDE (typing this on it now) which is pretty good.
While I'll try Windows 10, I'm finished with Windows for the foreseeable future.
 
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