Problem of Evil Argument Conclusion versus a "lack of belief".

JGG · May 25, 2015

Joshua260 said:
As I explained to tillicollapse, I'd rather not get sidetracked from my goal in this thread, which is to get atheists such as yourself to one day answer my OP. Is ther any chance that could ever happen?

I just did. Post 195.

Joshua260 · May 25, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
I already answered it, as you recall, via private message. I already indicated that you could reproduce my response here, if you were so inclined, but that I have no interest in traversing ground that has already been covered. For the record, I think Davian did a good job summarising the most salient point.

So I looked all through our private conversation and nowhere do you answer whether the problem of evil argument (as I clarified for you in this OP) is sound or unsound. It is impossible to reproduce an answer you never provided. But you are always free to respond now if you like. I don't care to hear about your thoughts concerning any premises, I only care to hear whether you think the argument is sound or not. That is the question I am asking. If you reply with "unsound", then that is satisfactory. If you reply with "sound", then I would like to know whether you know that God A in my example does not exist, or whether you simply believe that God A in my example does not exist. I'll show you how easy it is with my response "The argument presented in the OP is 'unsound'". I'm not really interested in responses that are off-topic.

Joshua260 · May 25, 2015

JGG said:
I just did. Post 195.

Yes, and I appreciate your example of how to answer the OP in a straight-forward manner.

JGG · May 25, 2015

Joshua260 said:
Yes, and I appreciate your example of how to answer the OP in a straight-forward manner.

So after all that (200 some posts) you don't want to even comment on the answer?

Joshua260 · May 25, 2015

JGG said:
So after all that (200 some posts) you don't want to even comment on the answer?

No, thank you. Although I certainly appreciate your taking the time to respond (and demonstrating that it's easy to provide a short clear answer), I am only interested in those that respond that the argument is "sound".

What I presented in my OP, was the Problem of Evil argument typically presented by atheists in an attempt to demonstrate that such a god as described in p1 does not exist. If you remember, the conclusion was "Therefore, [God A] does not exist". The conclusion is a truth claim. So my follow-up question is whether that responder knows that God A does not exist, or whether they simply believe that God A does not exist. The point of my thread is that one cannot concur with the truth-claim conclusion (relating to God A) of the problem of evil argument as presented in my OP and also hold to a "lack of belief" relating to God A. The former is an assertive claim, while the second is a passive claim.

But thanks again for your time. Have a good day.

TillICollapse · May 25, 2015

Joshua260 said:
No, thank you. Although I certainly appreciate your taking the time to respond (and demonstrating that it's easy to provide a short clear answer), I am only interested in those that respond that the argument is "sound".

What I presented in my OP, was the Problem of Evil argument typically presented by atheists in an attempt to demonstrate that such a god as described in p1 does not exist. If you remember, the conclusion was "Therefore, God A does not exist". The conclusion is a truth claim. So my follow-up question is whether that responder knows that God A does not exist, or whether they simply believe that God A does not exist. The point of my thread is that one cannot concur with the truth-claim conclusion (relating to God A) of the problem of evil argument as presented in my OP and also hold to a "lack of belief" relating to God A. The former is an assertive claim, while the second is a passive claim.

But thanks again for your time. Have a good day.

I believe the argument in the OP lacks sound, not that it is un-sound.

Joshua260 · May 25, 2015

TillICollapse said:
I believe the argument in the OP lacks sound, not that it is un-sound.

Lol! Very good!

TillICollapse · May 25, 2015

Joshua260 said:
Lol! Very good!

;-)

Davian · May 25, 2015

Joshua260 said:
Only you know the answer to that question. I've given you several chances, and even provided an example. Look, I'll show you my answer again: "The argument in the OP is unsound". See? It's really not that difficult.

You said, "It's more important to me that you realize why you refuse to answer."

I realize why I did not answer as would you like me to. What is your point?

Archaeopteryx · May 25, 2015

Joshua260 said:
So I looked all through our private conversation and nowhere do you answer whether the problem of evil argument (as I clarified for you in this OP) is sound or unsound.

That's probably because our conversation didn't focus on that point.

It is impossible to reproduce an answer you never provided. But you are always free to respond now if you like. I don't care to hear about your thoughts concerning any premises, I only care to hear whether you think the argument is sound or not. That is the question I am asking. If you reply with "unsound", then that is satisfactory. If you reply with "sound", then I would like to know whether you know that God A in my example does not exist, or whether you simply believe that God A in my example does not exist. I'll show you how easy it is with my response "The argument presented in the OP is 'unsound'". I'm not really interested in responses that are off-topic.

No wonder you can't reproduce our conversation - it would expose the subtle change of wording between that conversation and this thread. You are being careful not to equivocate here, which is commendable, but that wasn't the case in our conversation.

Joshua260 · May 26, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
That's probably because our conversation didn't focus on that point.

Correction: Your conversation didn't focus on that point. My focus has been constant throughout.

Archaeopteryx said:
No wonder you can't reproduce our conversation - it would expose the subtle change of wording between that conversation and this thread. You are being careful not to equivocate here, which is commendable, but that wasn't the case in our conversation.

I have always been asking the same question. You're the one who got off on a tangent(and can't seem to let go of it). Just for your benefit, I clarified my question and created this OP and worded it with you in mind to remove all ambiguity. I don't care to follow you on your tangent discussions. The question has always been simple. Is the argument sound or not? If so, do you know God A does not exist or just believe God A does not exist. If you want to answer the OP, go ahead. If not, then so be it, and I can live with that. If you had answered with a simple "unsound" or "sound/believe" during your first reply, we could have been done with this days ago.

Joshua260 · May 26, 2015

Davian said:
You said, "It's more important to me that you realize why you refuse to answer."

I realize why I did not answer as would you like me to. What is your point?

I don't know what you want from me here. I showed you how to answer: something like "unsound", or "sound/believe". If you don't want to answer, then that's fine.

Archaeopteryx · May 26, 2015

Joshua260 said:
Correction: Your conversation didn't focus on that point. My focus has been constant throughout.

As I already demonstrated to you, that isn't true.

I have always been asking the same question. You're the one who got off on a tangent(and can't seem to let go of it). Just for your benefit, I clarified my question and created this OP and worded it with you in mind to remove all ambiguity. I don't care to follow you on your tangent discussions. The question has always been simple. Is the argument sound or not? If so, do you know God A does not exist or just believe God A does not exist. If you want to answer the OP, go ahead. If not, then so be it, and I can live with that. If you had answered with a simple "unsound" or "sound/believe" during your first reply, we could have been done with this days ago.

I don't care about your question. If you want to know my thoughts on the Problem of Evil, I can refer you to another thread.

Joshua260 · May 27, 2015

Archaeopteryx said:
I don't care about your question.

Yes, you've made that abundantly clear.

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