How many dozens of Christians did creationism drive away this past hour?

RickG said:

Then why are we not still Jewish.

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Because we are under a new priesthood now.

RickG said:

Where in the bible does Jesus say I'm starting a new religion because Judaism is wrong?

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We are priests after the order of Melchizedek now.

Oncedeceived said:

I am not sure what you mean by this?

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I'm not either, to be honest.

Jesus didn't "start a new religion."

Nor did He say, "Judaism is wrong."

AV1611VET said:

I see you like that word.

It's fun to use, isn't it?

Can you use it accurately in a sentence?

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Can you?

Oncedeceived said:

There was a case where an employee had his Bible on his desk and was asked to take it home. The case was dropped and the employer agreed that he could keep it at work but not on his desk. A student used a Bible in a study hall and was told she couldn't have it open in school. Just two I know about but it is happening more and more.

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And in both cases, the law sided with the employee/student. As it will continue to do.

AV1611VET said:

I'm not either, to be honest.

Jesus didn't "start a new religion."

Nor did He say, "Judaism is wrong."

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Jesus was Jewish.
His followers are charged to be like him.
So why aren't they all Jewish too?

AV1611VET said:

As the saying goes:

Jesus is in the Old Testament concealed; and in the New Testament revealed.

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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It sounds to me that he was talking to them and not us. So how is that relevant to us?

TLK Valentine said:

And in both cases, the law sided with the employee/student. As it will continue to do.

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There are plenty of schools that have not been brought through legal means as of yet that are not allowing Bibles in the schools. I shouldn't have said that they are actually banned but many are working in that direction. Like I said, time will tell.

RickG said:

Then why are we not still Jewish. Where in the bible does Jesus say I'm starting a new religion because Judaism is wrong?

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That's a good point... does it say that?

TLK Valentine said:

Jesus was Jewish.
His followers are charged to be like him.
So why aren't they all Jewish too?

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Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The exact point that the dispensation of Law ended and the dispensation of Grace started was the tearing of the veil of the Temple from top to bottom.

Givemeareason said:

It sounds to me that he was talking to them and not us. So how is that relevant to us?

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He was telling those atheists that He is in the Old Testament concealed.

AV1611VET said:

I'm not either, to be honest.

Jesus didn't "start a new religion."

Nor did He say, "Judaism is wrong."

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I know????

AV1611VET said:

He was telling those atheists that He is in the Old Testament concealed.

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What athiests?

Givemeareason said:

What athiests?

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Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Psalm 14:1a The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

justlookinla said:

Simply claiming 'secular' doesn't address the issue. Humanity is the result of something, why does humanity exist? How did we get to here?

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Perhaps I misunderstood your context, which would cause you to misunderstand my context. Here, I'll describe the context I perceived and my explanation. I understood you to suggest that evolution was solely an atheistic view. The fact is that it is not uniquely that. Going to a doctor, car dealership, movie theater, grocery store, restaurant, a ball game, mowing the yard, taking bath/shower, etc., are all secular functions, just as the study of any science, mathematics, or language. Would we call any of those activities religious? No, they are secular.

Now you ask, how did we get here? Well, I wasn't addressing that. I was only making the point that the theory of evolution was secular, not atheist. Not having religious influence in something does not equate to being atheist. That's all I meant.

Jesus was a Jew talking to Jews about the Jewish faith.

justlookinla said:

Simply claiming 'secular' doesn't address the issue. Humanity is the result of something, why does humanity exist? How did we get to here?

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What has this got to do with evolution?

AV1611VET said:

I'm not either, to be honest.

Jesus didn't "start a new religion."

Nor did He say, "Judaism is wrong."

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Correct, he just had a problem with with some of the "doings" of the Pharisees, of which I gather he was one, as it was the Pharisees who believed in resurrection of the dead, while the other Jewish sects of Jesus' time did not.

JasonClark said:

Jesus was a Jew talking to Jews about the Jewish faith.

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Jesus put the Old Testament priests out of a job.

But He warned them first, giving them plenty of time to do something about it.

Luke 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

They had plenty of time (37 years, to be exact), for instance, to sell everything in the Temple and retire comfortably.

But they wouldn't listen.

As the time approached (AD 70), Paul wrote a book anonymously (the book of Hebrews), comparing Jesus Christ to the Levitical priesthood and showing Jesus the better way.

But once again, they wouldn't listen.

History records the tragic results.

RickG said:

Perhaps I misunderstood your context, which would cause you to misunderstand my context. Here, I'll describe the context I perceived and my explanation. I understood you to suggest that evolution was solely an atheistic view. The fact is that it is not uniquely that. Going to a doctor, car dealership, movie theater, grocery store, restaurant, a ball game, mowing the yard, taking bath/shower, etc., are all secular functions, just as the study of any science, mathematics, or language. Would we call any of those activities religious? No, they are secular.

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Actually, it's the conclusion, by some, that only naturalistic mechanisms created humanity from an alleged single life form of long long ago. That particular evolutionary view is inherently atheistic concerning the creation of humanity.

Now you ask, how did we get here? Well, I wasn't addressing that. I was only making the point that the theory of evolution was secular, not atheist. Not having religious influence in something does not equate to being atheist. That's all I meant.

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Humanity is either the result of theistic impetuses or it's not.

RickG said:

Correct, he just had a problem with with some of the "doings" of the Pharisees, of which I gather he was one, as it was the Pharisees who believed in resurrection of the dead, while the other Jewish sects of Jesus' time did not.

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I think Saul of Tarsus would have an issue with believing Jesus was a Pharisee.