How were the Nephilim conceived?

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Does anybody know how tall Adam and Eve were???? They were perfect in form. They could have been 8 feet tall for all we know--or taller!! And while were at it--what makes anyone think that Adam and Eve only had the kind of genes that we do? There is absolutely no reason in the world why they could not have been created with the genetic code to produce the colors and varieties of us all. Noah and his children and their wives had that genetic code past down to them and they continued to pass it on down to us, now with much different results.
After the flood, the age of man was drastically reduced--why not their height also? The sons of God=the followers of God. The daughters of men=the women who were not followers of God. That is all that means. There were tall genes passed on, there were short ones.
After the tower of Babel everyone went off with those whose language they understood. What makes anyone think that God didn't give people their language according to similar appearances and coloring??--Those similarities then became more pronounced with the genetic pool cut down to their own types.
God said 3 little words at creation that makes interbreeding of anything, impossible---AFTER ITS KIND--God did not make angels after His image--He made man in His image. We are not the same beings as angels. We can not breed with them and what in the world makes anyone think they can even mate among themselves?? Nothing in the bible says they were made male and female--All the angels that have a name in the bible are male! There is not one incident of a female angel. What makes anyone think they were even created with any of the "equipment" to mate? They were created as God's messengers. They can certainly take on the "appearance" of humans--or anything else, I imagine--doesn't mean that they become human--only look like one. If they could become human, they would not need to "possess" a human, like demon possession. They can't become human, and we can't become angels.
 
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How were the Nephilim conceived?

Were the women overcome by a spirit and impregnated like Mary was, or did they have to possess men in order to have sex and conceive?

And, if the Nephilim were born from spiritual conception, did they have a spirit inside of them that continued on in the earth, perhaps along with the demons, (or maybe are part of where some of the demons came from), when they died?

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I was reading 1 Enoch (well, the book of Watchers specifically), and it goes into more detail, kind of. The angels lead by Samyaza just procreated with the women. And taught them all kinds of things. And then the Nephilim where pretty big, and ate blood, and ate humans. And they were killed in the deluge and the spirits of the Nephilim became demons.
You do know that the Book of Enoch is not scripture right? It's no more true than the Iliad.
 
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Does anybody know how tall Adam and Eve were???? They were perfect in form. They could have been 8 feet tall for all we know--or taller!! And while were at it--what makes anyone think that Adam and Eve only had the kind of genes that we do? There is absolutely no reason in the world why they could not have been created with the genetic code to produce the colors and varieties of us all. Noah and his children and their wives had that genetic code past down to them and they continued to pass it on down to us, now with much different results.
After the flood, the age of man was drastically reduced--why not their height also? The sons of God=the followers of God. The daughters of men=the women who were not followers of God. That is all that means. There were tall genes passed on, there were short ones.
After the tower of Babel everyone went off with those whose language they understood. What makes anyone think that God didn't give people their language according to similar appearances and coloring??--Those similarities then became more pronounced with the genetic pool cut down to their own types.
God said 3 little words at creation that makes interbreeding of anything, impossible---AFTER ITS KIND--God did not make angels after His image--He made man in His image. We are not the same beings as angels. We can not breed with them and what in the world makes anyone think they can even mate among themselves?? Nothing in the bible says they were made male and female--All the angels that have a name in the bible are male! There is not one incident of a female angel. What makes anyone think they were even created with any of the "equipment" to mate? They were created as God's messengers. They can certainly take on the "appearance" of humans--or anything else, I imagine--doesn't mean that they become human--only look like one. If they could become human, they would not need to "possess" a human, like demon possession. They can't become human, and we can't become angels.
The idea that the genetic code for these giants being passed through Noah completely disregards the laws that govern dominate and recessive genes. You said "After its kind", tell that to the horse and donkey that get together and make something unnatural. That is not the way God designed it. If it was then mules wouldn't be infertile. So imagine angel and woman creating something else unnatural, something that is so unnatural that God said that there isn't even a resurrection for them. Please so we can drop this subject, show one verse that says that God was referring to man when he said "sons of God". Just one and you and we can no longer argue with you. Now it has to use the title sons of God and it cannot be talking about any spiritual being, even a spiritual man like Jesus and the resurrected saints. Please find one verse.
 
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The idea that the genetic code for these giants being passed through Noah completely disregards the laws that govern dominate and recessive genes. You said "After its kind", tell that to the horse and donkey that get together and make something unnatural. That is not the way God designed it. If it was then mules wouldn't be infertile. So imagine angel and woman creating something else unnatural, something that is so unnatural that God said that there isn't even a resurrection for them. Please so we can drop this subject, show one verse that says that God was referring to man when he said "sons of God". Just one and you and we can no longer argue with you. Now it has to use the title sons of God and it cannot be talking about any spiritual being, even a spiritual man like Jesus and the resurrected saints. Please find one verse.

A horse and donkey are in the same family!! But even then their offspring can not reproduce. There are polar bears and grizzly bear that have mated, that no one thought would--but they are both bears. Nothing unnatural about it!! There are no pig/cows, elephant/hippos, dog/dolphins--You want to believe that God would allow an angel to mate with humans--go right ahead--you show me one verse that says angels--the word angels--mated with women. One will do.


(Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

(1Jn 3:1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Hope you don't mind there bring more than one verse.
 
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A horse and donkey are in the same family!! But even then their offspring can not reproduce. There are polar bears and grizzly bear that have mated, that no one thought would--but they are both bears. Nothing unnatural about it!! There are no pig/cows, elephant/hippos, dog/dolphins--You want to believe that God would allow an angel to mate with humans--go right ahead--you show me one verse that says angels--the word angels--mated with women. One will do.


(Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

(1Jn 3:1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Hope you don't mind there bring more than one verse.
You see the unnatural part is in its infertility. I am not saying that it is unnatural for a polar bear to mate with a grizzly. I am saying that it is unnatural when the offspring are.... let's just be nice and say weird. Such as infertility or abnormal size.

Now I asked for a verse looking for this title that was not referring to spiritual being. I know that I am a "son of God", I have the Spirit of God residing in me that leads me to all truth. All of the verses that you quoted is referring to Christians as being the adopted sons of God, Christians are spiritual. The passage in question, the first part of Genesis 6, is not referring to Christians. The men back then were not spiritual, they were carnal and so wicked that God destroyed them. So I repeat: Show me a verse that uses this title in referring to a man that is not also a spirit being. Just one. You cannot. Because there is no verse in the bible that says the sons of God is carnal men.
 
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You see the unnatural part is in its infertility. I am not saying that it is unnatural for a polar bear to mate with a grizzly. I am saying that it is unnatural when the offspring are.... let's just be nice and say weird. Such as infertility or abnormal size.

Now I asked for a verse looking for this title that was not referring to spiritual being. I know that I am a "son of God", I have the Spirit of God residing in me that leads me to all truth. All of the verses that you quoted is referring to Christians as being the adopted sons of God, Christians are spiritual. The passage in question, the first part of Genesis 6, is not referring to Christians. The men back then were not spiritual, they were carnal and so wicked that God destroyed them. So I repeat: Show me a verse that uses this title in referring to a man that is not also a spirit being. Just one. You cannot. Because there is no verse in the bible that says the sons of God is carnal men.


That's quite a dance there---it is the way it is. He said after it's kind to all of creation, which included us. A mules infertility infertility is because they are as far apart as can be under God's command. No angel can mate with a human--A Christian is spiritual, , a human being is not! We are all flesh and blood and it is the flesh and blood that mate, spirituality does not mate at all! Angels are not human. The verses stand. Where is yours?
 
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You do know that the Book of Enoch is not scripture right? It's no more true than the Iliad.
Well, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has it is their Scripture for one. And a number of Early Church fathers considered it Scripture. But as far as Evangelicals or Catholics go, you are right, they don't consider it Scripture. However, if you are going to say that a piece of writing cannot be true because it isn't Scripture, you are going to run into a lot of problems when challenged about other documents which are obviously true, say like the books of Maccabees.

I don't think a book's truthfulness has to be determined by its canon status. Also, it's not like the story of the Book of Watcher's is really in contradiction to our canon. It's more of an elaboration on that part of Genesis, which is already weird in itself.
 
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Well, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church has it is their Scripture for one. And a number of Early Church fathers considered it Scripture. But as far as Evangelicals or Catholics go, you are right, they don't consider it Scripture. However, if you are going to say that a piece of writing cannot be true because it isn't Scripture, you are going to run into a lot of problems when challenged about other documents which are obviously true, say like the books of Maccabees.

I don't think a book's truthfulness has to be determined by its canon status. Also, it's not like the story of the Book of Watcher's is really in contradiction to our canon. It's more of an elaboration on that part of Genesis, which is already weird in itself.
There are so many contradictions in the Book of Enoch, it is unreal. I don't care what the Ethiopian Church or the Catholic or the Evangelicals say. It isn't scripture because God says that it isn't. And neither is Maccabees. I'm not saying that everything in there is wrong (Satan likes mixing a little truth in with his lies). But I am saying that it is not God's Word and that it is not something that I will base my beliefs on.
 
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That's quite a dance there---it is the way it is. He said after it's kind to all of creation, which included us. A mules infertility infertility is because they are as far apart as can be under God's command. No angel can mate with a human--A Christian is spiritual, , a human being is not! We are all flesh and blood and it is the flesh and blood that mate, spirituality does not mate at all! Angels are not human. The verses stand. Where is yours?
Check out post #17 for verses describing "sons of God" as spiritual beings most of whom are angelic. And again there is no way that the verses that you gave supports your theory that these "sons of God" are the corrupted and carnal men of Noah's time. There is no way that those evil men could have be anything resembling spiritual beings.

Let's look at the genetics of a mule to determine why they are sterile. A horse has 64 chromosomes and a donkey has 62 chromosomes, so a mule receives 32 from its horse parent and 31 from its donkey parent. This uneven matching of chromosomes and the fact that the chromosomes are slightly different leads to this inability to mate. Because a horse has 64 chromosomes and a donkey has 62, then it is obvious that they are two different species. To even consider that they could be the same species will also be the same as saying that a human with 46 chromosomes could be the same species as a chimp with 48. This is definitely not possible. So God did speak a law into existence everything after its own kind. However, people break God's laws all the time. A mule is proof that sometimes two different species can mate(of course with complications).

You say that angels cannot mate with humans, but really what do we really know about what angels can or cannot do? We know that they could eat like us, that they cannot die, but can still be bound in prison and with chains. We know that they can interact with us physically since those angels dragged Lot and his family away from Sodom. We do not know what an angels genetic code is, but really is it so hard to believe that a spiritual being, that has no problem becoming physical, could do something physical with a human?
 
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Who said that the men of Noah's time were spirit beings--I certainly didn't, God brought total destruction to all but 8 because of their wickedness and violence. That is what came of the followers of God taking women who did not follow God as their wives--they brought the men down to their level and little by little, God's ways were watered down and ended up with only 8 worthy people. Angels live in the spirit world, not ours, because we are not of the same material.
They are not human, and do not live in our world and their only way of being on this same plane as us is to "possess a human--but that does not equal to them being a human. The angels of God do not even interact with the angels of Satan. Minimal conversation between them.
(Jud 1:9) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

No angel of God can be bound by humans, only the evil ones can be. God's angels serve God, Satan's serve him. That in no way means they can mate with us---there is more than a few chromosomes separating us! We can't even visualize them. Yah, God's laws are broken, but never the physical laws that He set in motion. We can disobey His laws, He has given us that choice---the physical laws, only God can disavow. The sun will not leave it's ordained path because said you will move this way. A tree does not decide to become a rock. A caterpillar will become a butterfly, a caterpillar can not become s frog--. God said after it's kind--that was it. A mule and a donkey are in the same family, just like a tiger and a lion are--a male lion and a female tiger give birth to ligers, both are felines, but at the farthest ends of the spectrum. Most die before being born, a female lioness and a male tiger give birth to tigons. But a lion can not mate with a donkey. Even if possible, nothing could be produced at all. A St Bernard and a Chihuahua are in the same canine family--however, it would be best if the mother were the St Bernard--which does present a few problems in getting the job done.
I am glad you understand we do not know the genetic code of angels--we can only gather the information from the bible as to what they do. It is obvious that we can not see them--that obviously means they are of a different makeup. It is obvious the evil ones can posses us--it is also obvious that God says we can caste them out. A spiritual being can be visualized by us if God so chooses. But they do not become what they can look like. Because an evil angel can look like a man, does not mean he then can possess the appropriate "equipment" to be fully functional in order to impregnate a human with human sperm---he may be able to look like he has the appropriate equipment, doesn't mean it is real. He is a liar and the father of lies. That they can father anything is only wishful thinking his part.
 
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No angel of God can be bound by humans, only the evil ones can be. God's angels serve God, Satan's serve him. That in no way means they can mate with us---there is more than a few chromosomes separating us!

We know that angels (at least God's) can take physical human bodies when they choose to do so, for they have done so several times in Scripture.

If God's angels can do this, do we have any evidence that Satan's "angels" (we call them demons) cannot, or could not at the time?

If they can take a physical human body, would this physical human body not have hands, feet, and all of the other organs that a human body would?

If they are capable of doing this, is it really that big of a stretch that they could also choose their own DNA makeup? At the time of swords, clubs, and axes, would it not be the most beneficial to make offspring that are giant in stature and immensely strong? Satan wanted to make mighty evil servants in the world, wouldn't huge lumbering giants be the way to do it? Their very appearance would strike fear into Satan's enemies (IE, the people who follow God). In fact, Satan almost succeeded in doing this very thing back during the days of Joshua. Remember the story where Joshua sent scouts into the Promised Land, and they came back afraid of the giants? All but Joshua and one other scout that I cannot remember said that they should turn back before they are stomped underneath the giants' heels?

It makes sense that Satan would have his demons do this in those olden days. Nowadays, not so much, as we have guns and other weapons nowadays. A 9-10 foot tall person is just a huge target that you couldn't possibly miss, lol.
 
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We know that angels (at least God's) can take physical human bodies when they choose to do so, for they have done so several times in Scripture.

If God's angels can do this, do we have any evidence that Satan's "angels" (we call them demons) cannot, or could not at the time?

If they can take a physical human body, would this physical human body not have hands, feet, and all of the other organs that a human body would?

If they are capable of doing this, is it really that big of a stretch that they could also choose their own DNA makeup? At the time of swords, clubs, and axes, would it not be the most beneficial to make offspring that are giant in stature and immensely strong? Satan wanted to make mighty evil servants in the world, wouldn't huge lumbering giants be the way to do it? Their very appearance would strike fear into Satan's enemies (IE, the people who follow God). In fact, Satan almost succeeded in doing this very thing back during the days of Joshua. Remember the story where Joshua sent scouts into the Promised Land, and they came back afraid of the giants? All but Joshua and one other scout that I cannot remember said that they should turn back before they are stomped underneath the giants' heels?

It makes sense that Satan would have his demons do this in those olden days. Nowadays, not so much, as we have guns and other weapons nowadays. A 9-10 foot tall person is just a huge target that you couldn't possibly miss, lol.


I find no scripture that demons can take on human form, just like there is no scripture to support angels having sex with humans…but thats a broken record. You have sound doctrine supported by scriptures, and then you have fables, legends and theories without sound scripture. Midgets, giants, black, white, and all the other colors and types of humans all come from the family of Noah, and all of Noahs family came from Adam and Eve. It really is that simple.

The other spy was Caleb, and he said that they could defeat them. Caleb and Joshua were rewarded for their faith and were the only 2 originals to live and come into the promise land, and at age 80 Caleb said give me this Mt. as my reward and he went and had victory over them and took it. No giant or no matter how fierce a giant or foe was, they were still no match for the children of Isreal. They were always defeated despite their large statue. Some of Davids mighty men killed the brothers and sons of Goliath and some killed other great men of statue who were not Philistines that were encountered as well.
 
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I find no scripture that demons can take on human form, just like there is no scripture to support angels having sex with humans…but thats a broken record. You have sound doctrine supported by scriptures, and then you have fables, legends and theories without sound scripture. Midgets, giants, black, white, and all the other colors and types of humans all come from the family of Noah, and all of Noahs family came from Adam and Eve. It really is that simple.

Simple logic.

Angels can take on human forms, and these humans need to be indistinguishable from other humans for those times when angels need to be incognito. This would logically include genitalia. Obviously, God's angels would not disobey Him.

Now, Satan's demons, who the Bible says are the angels that God threw out of Heaven along with Satan, are still "angels". The Scripture does not say that God removed any of their powers, only that they were cast out of Heaven.

Since Scripture does not say that God took away their power, we can conclude logically that they can still take on human form, incognito, to do anything a human could.

Satan, being one of God's creations before Man, would surely have known about things like DNA and how man worked. Again, it isn't too far-fetched to think that these angels can choose what DNA they have, and if angels must look and react like normal humans to go incognito as they do, and since Scripture does not say about God removing their power, then again I say there's nothing saying they couldn't have made the giants in this way.

The other spy was Caleb, and he said that they could defeat them. Caleb and Joshua were rewarded for their faith and were the only 2 originals to live and come into the promise land, and at age 80 Caleb said give me this Mt. as my reward and he went and had victory over them and took it. No giant or no matter how fierce a giant or foe was, they were still no match for the children of Isreal. They were always defeated despite their large statue. Some of Davids mighty men killed the brothers and sons of Goliath and some killed other great men of statue who were not Philistines that were encountered as well.

Right, Caleb.

And you're right, the Giants were indeed no match for Joshua, Caleb, or even David and his men. Which is precisely why God allowed the creation of the giants to happen -- to glorify Him. He knew that Joshua and Caleb would remain faithful, and that Israel would go into this land, and slay such mighty giants, and this would be evidence of God's power. The stronger the foe, the more glory God receives when His chosen people defeat them.

That is most likely, exactly why God allowed Satan to create these Giants. God knew that Satan can't win, even WITH his Giants, and the more unlikely His people are to succeed, the more He will be glorified when they DO succeed.

Kinda like that one battle where God told the people that they have too many soldiers, to send some down to the waters to drink, and eventually used only a few hundred to defeat thousands. Such unfair odds only give God all the more glory in the end when His people win beyond all logical expectations.
 
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:doh:LOL--So you think an evil angel --or one of God's angels, has the power to change the very material he is made of?? To change what God made him out of?? Appearance is not the same thing as actually being that thing. Jesus said there will be neither marriage, nor giving in marriage in heaven, but we will be like the angels in heaven. If sex outside of marriage is prohibited by God, what makes you think that God would then give them genitalia when they would never need them??--He doesn't make useless. This is all carnal thinking, not spiritual at all, not the kind of purity that God calls for. God did not allow Satan to create one single thing-he has no creative powers. Creative powers belong to God. He can only fake it. He will also 'appear" as an angel of light in the last days--so you think he makes himself into an actual true sinless angel of God?? Appear==look like--not the actual thing.
You think we can have the whole tribes of little people, 3-ft--not dwarfs, pygmies--and the 7 ft Maasai TODAY--but that this could not have possibly happened back then without Satan interfering and bringing them about??!!!! :doh::doh::doh:The pygmy and the Maasai are 100% human--so were the giants back then.
 
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This is simply a horrible exegesis. There is plenty of great arguments that they were in fact angels, and the idea that the bible needed to say the men were laying with women and having large babies because the women were laying with men just seems so far-fetched and redundant, that it becomes absurd. Not saying it is angels, but to say it's a misinterpretation of the worst kind is in fact a misinterpretation of the worst kind.

Hi Svt4Him,

All this talk about women having giant babies for whatever reason is real funny. Excuse me for laughing out loud.

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RE: Mmksparbud

Angels are spiritual beings; when they manifest on Earth in the mortal realm, they oftentimes do so incognito, with purely physical forms. For them to maintain their disguise, this body needs to look, feel, smell, and act like a normal human body would. Otherwise, the cover would be blown, and the news would spread like wildfire.

The Bible warns us to be kind to everyone we meet, for we never know if we might be entertaining angels. This would lead us to believe that angels still appear amongst us today doing whatever work they need to do. If angels who manifest on Earth in a purely human body had no genitalia, what do you think would happen if an accident of some sort were to happen where that part of their body would be exposed and someone got a picture of it on camera?

And when we're talking about Giants... we're not talking about 7 feet tall humans. In fact, the few humans who can get that tall are so physically broken, that they can barely live daily lives and their health is in great peril. Meanwhile, the giants of the Bible are thought to be 9, maybe even 10 feet tall and they had robust bodies fit for combat.
 
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Some people seem obsessed with genitalia around here---supposing an angel got into an accident and their genitalia exposed???!!!! Angels don't get into "accidents"--they control things around them. They posses humans, not turn into them!!! Give me one verse in the REAL bible----just one--that says angels have sex with humans--the only time demons are mentioned is in relation to them being caste out of people, or TEMPTING people, or misleading people. God's angels have been recorded to have APPEARED as men--more often than not, they appeared as the angels they are.
FICTION has been around as long as the garden of Eden when Satan talked through a snake, and God cursed the snake. Strange he didn't try and have sex with Eve--she was naked after all.
There is---TODAY--a 3-4 foot difference in size between the pygmy and the Maasai---what makes anyone think that same genetic difference was not the same back then??? And again--there is no mention of how tall Adam and Eve themselves were to know what kind of genetic code they passed on---but 3-4 foot difference in height has been passed on and is normal today--to the pygmy, the Maasai are giants. There are deformities, or birth defects, where there is a much greater variety in height with the smallest human on record being just 21.5 inches and the tallest nearly 9 feet--8 ft 11.1 inches! All 100% human!!
 
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Who said that the men of Noah's time were spirit beings--I certainly didn't, God brought total destruction to all but 8 because of their wickedness and violence. That is what came of the followers of God taking women who did not follow God as their wives--they brought the men down to their level and little by little, God's ways were watered down and ended up with only 8 worthy people. Angels live in the spirit world, not ours, because we are not of the same material.
They are not human, and do not live in our world and their only way of being on this same plane as us is to "possess a human--but that does not equal to them being a human. The angels of God do not even interact with the angels of Satan. Minimal conversation between them.
(Jud 1:9) Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

No angel of God can be bound by humans, only the evil ones can be. God's angels serve God, Satan's serve him. That in no way means they can mate with us---there is more than a few chromosomes separating us! We can't even visualize them. Yah, God's laws are broken, but never the physical laws that He set in motion. We can disobey His laws, He has given us that choice---the physical laws, only God can disavow. The sun will not leave it's ordained path because said you will move this way. A tree does not decide to become a rock. A caterpillar will become a butterfly, a caterpillar can not become s frog--. God said after it's kind--that was it. A mule and a donkey are in the same family, just like a tiger and a lion are--a male lion and a female tiger give birth to ligers, both are felines, but at the farthest ends of the spectrum. Most die before being born, a female lioness and a male tiger give birth to tigons. But a lion can not mate with a donkey. Even if possible, nothing could be produced at all. A St Bernard and a Chihuahua are in the same canine family--however, it would be best if the mother were the St Bernard--which does present a few problems in getting the job done.
I am glad you understand we do not know the genetic code of angels--we can only gather the information from the bible as to what they do. It is obvious that we can not see them--that obviously means they are of a different makeup. It is obvious the evil ones can posses us--it is also obvious that God says we can caste them out. A spiritual being can be visualized by us if God so chooses. But they do not become what they can look like. Because an evil angel can look like a man, does not mean he then can possess the appropriate "equipment" to be fully functional in order to impregnate a human with human sperm---he may be able to look like he has the appropriate equipment, doesn't mean it is real. He is a liar and the father of lies. That they can father anything is only wishful thinking his part.
You admitted that the men during Noah's days were not spiritual that is good. But you also have to realize that EVERY TIME the title "sons of God" is used it means spiritual beings. So these men could not be the sons of God that Genesis 6 is talking about. And angels can take on a physical form if they wanted. The bible is clear, angels dragged Lot and his family away. They could not do that if they were not physical. You keep bringing up after its kind. But we can see with the mule and with the liger that two different animals can mate. You see a lion will produce a lion and a horse will produce a horse and a human will produce a human, if they mated after its own kind. When they don't some times hybrids are produced. A liger is not a lion, and a giant is not a human. Did you know that the Liger is the biggest cat ever? Bigger than both its parents. Now if you were to say that giants were humans, then why did God not treat them as such? He said that the giants will not be resurrected like humans. Is he unjust? Never. These giants are a hybrid.

And we do not know what separates us from angelic beings. It could be a whole lot, or it could be less than a horse and donkey. They are spiritual beings and as such they are beyond our understanding even if they can become physical. You say that angels in heaven never marry or are given in marriage and this is true. But we are not talking about God's angels and we are not talking about heaven.

At first this debate was fun, it let me think about my beliefs. But now I am just repeating myself to people that are not really listening. Nothing really to do with you, but you are the third person that I had to repeat this too. If no one wants to look at my scriptures proving "sons of God" to be spiritual being, or look at the genetic evidence that shows this giant gene had to come from outside the human species, or the fact the morality of these early people has no influence on their genes; I cannot make anyone believe something that they do not want to. If someone does want to look at the evidence they can read my earlier posts. I am done with this debate and there is only one question that I have left to answer. If someone asks, then I will answer that one question. If they don't then I guess that means that they really wasn't paying attention to what I was writing after all.
 
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Every time the phrase sons of God is used it does not refer to only spiritual beings!!!! Some people have a deaf ear to what they do not want to acknowledge. To keep repeating that felines are one family, which includes the house cat and the lion, that dogs are one family--the St. Bernard and the Chihuahua, are all canine, the mule, burrow, donkey horse are equine--hybrids can occur only within their own families.
You admit you don't anything about the makeup of angels "even if they become physical" and yet you insist they can mate with humans!! You apparently do not read the posts, I stated angels, both good and evil, can appear to be other than what they are but that in no way means they have actually transformed their God made substance into something else--APPEAR. You have the right to believe anything you want--even Santa Clause. We are not spiritual beings, we are flesh and blood--our thoughts are spiritual when controlled by God. Because we think spiritual thoughts it has nit transformed us into the realm of physically spiritual beings!!
Christ was still not a spiritual being only, even after the resurrection!!! He remained human, and will remain so throughout eternity! He is both divine and human, the only one is existence! Are the words of Christ Himself not enough?!

(Luk 24:39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
 
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