Does The Punishment Fit The Crime?

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I have heard from a lot of people that God would not be right in letting people be burned forever because of a temporary sin. I think though that this doesn't take into account that no effect of sin is temporary. Every act we do or do not do has lasting effects. Think of Adam and Eve. One act of disobediance brought the world to its knees and millions of people will suffer.

I believe very much that eternal punishment fits the crime of the eternal effects of sin.
 

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I think we err if imagine "Heaven" and "Hell" in quasi-karmic terms of reward and punishment. Hell isn't an eternal punishment because each and every sin has an eternal effect, and therefore in order to balance the scales Hell is necessary as punishment to counterbalance sin.

In Christ God is restoring, reconciling, and redeeming the world. It is God's purposes in Jesus to take the whole of creation and bring it back into good order, for this reason He makes all things new. That new creation in Christ is ours, by faith, made tangible in the resurrection on the last day when we are restored to bodily life and glorified in the image of the risen Lord Jesus Christ. In order to share in the life of the world to come. That is what God is doing and will do in Jesus. But Scripture is clear that there are those who do not participate in that, do not have a share in that future redemptive reality; for whom sin and death remain their reality--St. John in the Apocalypse describes this in the most graphic way possible as a lake of fire and sulfur, calling it "second death".

Hell, in that sense, is not karmic retribution for sin; but the tragic reality of sin and death still in those who refuse to share in the life and beauty of the future age.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Yup, I agree. The whole idea of reward-and-punishment is precisely the sort of thing Jesus was trying to correct in peoples minds about God, that we do something good for God, he has to reward us, we do something bad and he has to punish us. He said basically there are people that have life in him, and those that don't (ironically, the sorts of people that were the most religious in their society, that tried their hardest to please God). It's about life, not whether you have been naughty or nice.
 
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I think we err if imagine "Heaven" and "Hell" in quasi-karmic terms of reward and punishment. Hell isn't an eternal punishment because each and every sin has an eternal effect, and therefore in order to balance the scales Hell is necessary as punishment to counterbalance sin.

In Christ God is restoring, reconciling, and redeeming the world. It is God's purposes in Jesus to take the whole of creation and bring it back into good order, for this reason He makes all things new. That new creation in Christ is ours, by faith, made tangible in the resurrection on the last day when we are restored to bodily life and glorified in the image of the risen Lord Jesus Christ. In order to share in the life of the world to come. That is what God is doing and will do in Jesus. But Scripture is clear that there are those who do not participate in that, do not have a share in that future redemptive reality; for whom sin and death remain their reality--St. John in the Apocalypse describes this in the most graphic way possible as a lake of fire and sulfur, calling it "second death".

Hell, in that sense, is not karmic retribution for sin; but the tragic reality of sin and death still in those who refuse to share in the life and beauty of the future age.

-CryptoLutheran
Nice post.
 
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So from the sound of it you guys would say that the reason for the second death (the lake of fire) being eternal is because those who are cast into the lake of fire will never repent?

That's one possible way of looking at it.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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