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'fraid I'm not the kind of person your looking for, but the following parties promote themselves as basing themselves around Christian values(I'll just post some Wikipedia links to give you a rough idea on each party):
Christian Party
Christian People's Alliance

There's also Liberty GB and the BNP, but both are on the extreme side and tout that they stand for Christian values more for electoral gain than being based around them, but that's my opinion and I guess I should list them for completions sake.

I hope you find the like minded people/movement/party you're looking for.
 
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Hey everyone! I am a Christian lady with a growing passion for politics. I believe in working at the making of a better world by bringing-STRICTLY-Biblical ethics into the legal system. I am looking for other UK Christians with the same passion to meet and fellowship with!
Could you describe what bringing "STRICTLY-Biblical ethics into the legal system" would look like in practice?
 
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Could you describe what bringing "STRICTLY-Biblical ethics into the legal system" would look like in practice?
In practice? simple: no wishy washy, politically correct, "afraid to offend" laws aiming at
Could you describe what bringing "STRICTLY-Biblical ethics into the legal system" would look like in practice?
it begins like this: no wishy washy/ politically correct/ "afraid to offend"/ liberal or legalistic/ compromising/indecisive/prosperity centred/individualistic/indistinct from 21st century "progressive" philosophies/New Age type of religiosity at work in Parliament. When I say strictly Bible based I simply mean: "that does not bow down to the Spirit of intimidation which has crept its way into our churches today (to the point where it's the World which dictates us what to go by and not the Bible any more).
How does that sound?
 
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In practice? simple: no wishy washy, politically correct, "afraid to offend" laws aiming at

it begins like this: no wishy washy/ politically correct/ "afraid to offend"/ liberal or legalistic/ compromising/indecisive/prosperity centred/individualistic/indistinct from 21st century "progressive" philosophies/New Age type of religiosity at work in Parliament. When I say strictly Bible based I simply mean: "that does not bow down to the Spirit of intimidation which has crept its way into our churches today (to the point where it's the World which dictates us what to go by and not the Bible any more).
How does that sound?

It still sounds vague to be honest, particularly "liberal or legalistic" or "indecisive". I'm sure that you'd agree the reintroduction of openly racist language back into common parlance would be a bad thing
 
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It still sounds vague to be honest, particularly "liberal or legalistic" or "indecisive". I'm sure that you'd agree the reintroduction of openly racist language back into common parlance would be a bad thing
openly racist language is anti-Biblical since God commands His people not to oppress the immigrant.
Bringing Christian ethics into law making, in the eyes of today's society, would mean going backwards really but hey...!
It begins with restoring what we are doing away with:healthy relationships, namely marriage! I am not talking about substitutes like civil partnership, let alone SSM, but I mean truly encouraging marriage by making it financially more affordable. That's only a start but as it is clearly laid out throughout the Word of God, it's actually the essence of a healthy society. It amazes me how that nowadays, it cost more to be in a marriage than just cohabiting. Plus I can't think of any single institution that has been more attacked than that one!
 
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It still sounds vague to be honest, particularly "liberal or legalistic" or "indecisive". I'm sure that you'd agree the reintroduction of openly racist language back into common parlance would be a bad thing
Do you want me to write a full list of what I believe should be addressed in politics?I only gave you a small piece, but if you are up to more, we will be there until tomorrow lol...
 
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openly racist language is anti-Biblical since God commands His people not to oppress the immigrant.
Racist language is not necessarily aimed at an immigrant (unless you think British people are only white) but then, how can racist language 'oppress' anybody?

Do you want me to write a full list of what I believe should be addressed in politics?I only gave you a small piece, but if you are up to more, we will be there until tomorrow lol...
Addressing the place of marriage in society is hardly ground breaking, even the Tories are addressing this. Outside of obvious things like marriage, abortion etc, I'm not sure what 'Christian' laws would look like. What would your planning permission laws look like? Or benefits reform? Immigration (apart from not using racist language)?
 
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Racist language is not necessarily aimed at an immigrant (unless you think British people are only white) but then, how can racist language 'oppress' anybody?


Addressing the place of marriage in society is hardly ground breaking, even the Tories are addressing this. Outside of obvious things like marriage, abortion etc, I'm not sure what 'Christian' laws would look like. What would your planning permission laws look like? Or benefits reform? Immigration (apart from not using racist language)?
The Tories are NOT addressing the place of marriage; they are REDEFINING it, in other words destroying it at the core.
You might not feel offended by openly racist language and neither do I(I reckon as a child of God on a journey in this passing world, at some point that kind of stuff shouldn't rub on you, see what I mean?), but you have A LOT of folks out there who do, and anyway feeling free to openly insult a person on the basis of their ethnicity paves the way to greater "race" related issues. In fact it is depicting of a deep unease among people of different backgrounds which I find is growing thanks to the manipulation of the media(another hot topic on my plate btw). Besides, aren't we supposed to love our neighbour like ourselves?
When it comes to benefits, I think it's important to tap into the roots of this increasingly "cultural" trait: lack of jobs; shortage of skilled workforce(hence the UK's acknowledged need for foreign human capital); lack of "will to get out there" or mistrust from potential employers;
 
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Racist language is not necessarily aimed at an immigrant (unless you think British people are only white) but then, how can racist language 'oppress' anybody?


Addressing the place of marriage in society is hardly ground breaking, even the Tories are addressing this. Outside of obvious things like marriage, abortion etc, I'm not sure what 'Christian' laws would look like. What would your planning permission laws look like? Or benefits reform? Immigration (apart from not using racist language)?
The list for the reasons behind the increasing demand for benefits is endless to be honest and I have no doubt whatsoever that a lot of has to do with the breakdown of relationships (and lack of self-esteem). Example? Youth wanting to get out of their parents house, make babies for the sake of getting children allowances and live on housing benefits. I am not making this up, it happens A LOT. Now I am not excluding cases where benefits are a necessity,like when a person is disabled etc. I think those folks should get priority, and that's based upon Christian compassion ;-)
Immigration? Well I am a migrant myself so I would be careful not to put labels on people. You have different categories: refugees;asylum seekers;adventurers (kind of like me the first time I set foot on British soil);students; and then everybody else! Priority goes to those whose very lives are endangered in their country of origin!
Immigration is like a party at your house: you know how many people are coming, you want to be sure that the numbers do not suddenly jump up while you are not watching; you want to know WHO is coming, first to the last. Once they are in, you stay on top of the party. Your house, your rules! When you lose control of those essential factors, you become a guest in your own house. You follow me?
 
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Racist language is not necessarily aimed at an immigrant (unless you think British people are only white) but then, how can racist language 'oppress' anybody?


Addressing the place of marriage in society is hardly ground breaking, even the Tories are addressing this. Outside of obvious things like marriage, abortion etc, I'm not sure what 'Christian' laws would look like. What would your planning permission laws look like? Or benefits reform? Immigration (apart from not using racist language)?
I think David Cameron has a few points about integration among immigrants. He is a bit too hopeful time wise: there is as much as an individual can do to master English in a given time, and find work...
But I agree with the idea behind it: except for the cases such as asylum seeking, obviously you would want immigration to benefit your country. As a Christian I would want the experience to benefit the individual too, just like it benefited me
 
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The Tories are NOT addressing the place of marriage; they are REDEFINING it, in other words destroying it at the core.
You might not feel offended by openly racist language and neither do I(I reckon as a child of God on a journey in this passing world, at some point that kind of stuff shouldn't rub on you, see what I mean?), but you have A LOT of folks out there who do, and anyway feeling free to openly insult a person on the basis of their ethnicity paves the way to greater "race" related issues.

I thought you were complaining about "afraid to offend" laws, what's the matter with racist language then? It's just another kind of political correctness. People shouldn't be so quick to take offence, that's what you're complaining right? Political correctness and people taking offence easily.

And the Tories, whilst they have messed around with the definition of marriage, at least they are looking to introduce tax breaks for married couples.
 
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I thought you were complaining about "afraid to offend" laws, what's the matter with racist language then? It's just another kind of political correctness. People shouldn't be so quick to take offence, that's what you're complaining right? Political correctness and people taking offence easily.

And the Tories, whilst they have messed around with the definition of marriage, at least they are looking to introduce tax breaks for married couples.
I'll try and convey this as clearly as I can: If a person comes in my face and calls me all sorts of names because of my skin colour, I won't like it but I won't sue them because like it or not, it's democracy! People are free to think as they wish...
But in Britain, offences are nowadays much more related to the so-called "gender equality" principle which is just the other name of feminism/homosexual propaganda in force. I am not making this up, trust me. THAT IS WHAT I talk about when I say "afraid to offend". The people of God are being assaulted everyday now to conform to the "British values" promoted by the Government, with of course gender equality as top on their priority list. You can pick up any paper(I read it everyday), you will see it for yourself. That's why Cameron's attempt to replace Human rights with British rights concerns me. You might think I am being dramatic, give the Conservatives six months and you'll see...
Right now they are reviving the debate about euthanasia with the weepy story of this man(in this week's Times issue) who had to flee "intolerant Britain" in order to commit assisted suicide in Switzerland, after he was told by doctors that he risked being paralysed. Beautiful excuse to enforce accelerated death in the country, only a few months after the subject was dropped in Parliament (I should know, I was present with the lobby group "not dead yet" to protest outside Westminster).
No doubt sis(or bro?) that euthanasia or, as they want to call it, "dignified death" will feature somewhere in the British rights bill. Probably right under the abortion law.
Theresa May was also asked on radio about the anti-extremist bill Cameron has proposed recently. She was specifically asked if people conversing and opposing verbally SSM should be deemed as extremists. The lady kept on dodging the question, insisting that people are entitled to have their opinion but they must comply with British values!Hmm...
Have you heard about that lady who was sacked from her nursery job after she answered her lesbian colleague about the Bible vews on same sex relationships? Or that woman who was sacked from her NHS job for "bullying" her Muslim colleague by praying for her? Or the Irish bakers who are fined by Court after they refused to promote a gay slogan on a wedding cake ordered by a homosexual couple? Tolerance did you say?

Here I was just giving you a handful of examples.
Question to you: do you understand the difference between calling homosexuality a sin and insulting a person on the basis of the appearance? Because God does: in one case you are speaking His truth; in the other one you are being mean and therefore breaching His commandment to love your neighbour as yourself. But in the eyes of the present day British ideology of tolerance, you are committing offence either way, especially if you dare touch the gay thing. Oh I forgot, you must not say a word about the "Prophet" and his followers (did you know Ed Miliband who is now out, had promised to make Islamophobia a crime?). Here is a website you might be interested to check out: www.christianconcern.com/christian-legal-centre
Enjoy discovering the true colours of democracy!

The Tories are not merely "messing around" with marriage, I am afraid to say: they are DESTROYING the meaning of it, its very sacredness. Oh I reckon they are not alone in this, and it certainly didn't start today: I was born in a generation which equates living with your partner to being married) while never quite stepping forward to perform the real thing (unless one finds out they are dying of cancer, another kind of story the papers specialise in). It's widely accepted as normal, and it is the first cause of the destabilisation of our "progressive" society.

Still following me?
 
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So what you're saying it's that racist language is OK as long as you're not doing it in someone's face. So you're happy with the return of casual racism, sexism and homophobia into common parlance. And how is this Christian?
 
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So what you're saying it's that racist language is OK as long as you're not doing it in someone's face. So you're happy with the return of casual racism, sexism and homophobia into common parlance. And how is this Christian?
Interesting how you equate speaking God's truth on sexual ethics to homophobia. Must I explain to you the difference between refusing to promote anti-Biblical agenda and implementing terror(racism, homophobic campaigns on the same level there) laws against certain folks?God dealt with sin by sending His Son to die for us, but sin remains sin and the only way to be saved from it is through repentance!If a homosexual couple complain to me that their Christian baker refuses to ice their "wedding" cake with a slogan like: "The hell with what God thinks!" I shall gently remind them that at the end of this life we will be judged according to what God thinks. If a person wants complains to me about of ethnic minorities, I would gently remind them that at the end of this life, He will face the One Who created ethnic "minorities". I've done it before, I can do it again and I know it's entirely Christian.

On the other hand, in early 2013, after the legalisation of SSM an article was issued in the Times which celebrate the first "wedding" ceremony. The reporter made a comment about those happy couples "sticking it to the man, namely God". Must we stay quiet about this for fear of labels?

As for feminism, it has long shifted, in the West, from readjusting injustices and inequalities between men and women to simply emasculating men and undermining women who are content with looking after their families full-time. We have LGBT/Liberal democrat lobbies and the White House(which sets the tone in Western "democracies") to thank for it. You don't believe me? Go and subscribe to CitizenGo.org

As I stated before I believe in strong Christian leadership, strictly Bible-based, no wishy washy, no political correctness that pleases everyone and saves nobody. If this sounds extreme to you, then you will get no satisfaction in debating with me.
 
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Interesting how you equate speaking God's truth on sexual ethics to homophobia. Must I explain to you the difference between refusing to promote anti-Biblical agenda and implementing terror(racism, homophobic campaigns on the same level there) laws against certain folks?God dealt with sin by sending His Son to die for us, but sin remains sin and the only way to be saved from it is through repentance!If a homosexual couple complain to me that their Christian baker refuses to ice their "wedding" cake with a slogan like: "The hell with what God thinks!" I shall gently remind them that at the end of this life we will be judged according to what God thinks. If a person wants complains to me about of ethnic minorities, I would gently remind them that at the end of this life, He will face the One Who created ethnic "minorities". I've done it before, I can do it again and I know it's entirely Christian.

On the other hand, in early 2013, after the legalisation of SSM an article was issued in the Times which celebrate the first "wedding" ceremony. The reporter made a comment about those happy couples "sticking it to the man, namely God". Must we stay quiet about this for fear of labels?

As for feminism, it has long shifted, in the West, from readjusting injustices and inequalities between men and women to simply emasculating men and undermining women who are content with looking after their families full-time. We have LGBT/Liberal democrat lobbies and the White House(which sets the tone in Western "democracies") to thank for it. You don't believe me? Go and subscribe to CitizenGo.org

As I stated before I believe in strong Christian leadership, strictly Bible-based, no wishy washy, no political correctness that pleases everyone and saves nobody. If this sounds extreme to you, then you will get no satisfaction in debating with me.
I haven't been equating anything, please read what I have said and not what you wish I had said. I am simply trying to fill in the blanks around your rather vague ideas of what legislation would look like in the real world. I'm actually interested in putting meat on the bones of what supposed 'christian' legislation would look like apart from the grandstanding on topics like same-sex marriage. And as I've experienced before, supposed 'christian politicians' are apparently only interested in the hot button topics rather than issues which affect everyday people in their everyday lives.
 
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I haven't been equating anything, please read what I have said and not what you wish I had said. I am simply trying to fill in the blanks around your rather vague ideas of what legislation would look like in the real world. I'm actually interested in putting meat on the bones of what supposed 'christian' legislation would look like apart from the grandstanding on topics like same-sex marriage. And as I've experienced before, supposed 'christian politicians' are apparently only interested in the hot button topics rather than issues which affect everyday people in their everyday lives.[/QUOTE

My statement was: "calling homosexuality a sin" and you jumped to "homophobia".

The first thing God did when He created man and woman was to marry them. By this He established-godly-marriage as the foundation of a healthy society. That's why it IS the hottest topic in politics, indeed. That's why Christians ought to defend it and that's why secularist "progressive" politicians are giving their all to tear it down. Because if you can destroy marriage, you basically engineer the collapse of an entire society. You talk about everyday issues; If you take the time to trace them back to their roots, you find out that it has almost EVERYTHING to do with the breakdown of relationships.
Just imagine a society where every man and woman is faithfully committed to their spouse: no adultery-->no "love crime"; no sex trafficking; no sex abuse; no divorce;no paedophilia;
Figures prove that most criminals out there come from dysfunctional families.

How do you practically defend marriage?- In a Christian democracy, media should promote marriage JUST THE SAME WAY they thrust adultery, fornication, homosexuality, prostitution, orgies, etc in our face (The young and the restless; eastenders; holyoaks, desperate housewives;must I go on?...): it can happen through nationalisation of the media. Media is the most powerful weapon to influence the mind of the audience,that's why it MUST provide full information: for instance a young lady who considers abortion should be informed about what the unborn child will undergo if she carries it through. That's where coverage of real life stories come into play.
The media today does just this : it pursues and agenda which aims at desensitizing us. Sex is made a joke, inappropriate content is just a bit of fun when actually Iceland recently was the first democracy to consider banning it when their statistics attributed most sexual crimes to inappropriate content addiction. You can google it.

-Information circulates also through schools: A Christian democracy should implement programs where youth are told about creation vs evolution; abstinence vs contraception; marriage vs civil partnership/SSM etc. so that they can make THEIR CHOICE BASED UPON THE FULL INFORMATION. It can't just go one way. Today evolution is accepted as wide truth and creation is relegated as "nonsense". How is that democratic?Why can't kids be told both sides of the story?

-Marriage must be encouraged through the taxation/benefit system as well of course. At the end of the day people want their wallet to benefit from their choices too. So I am in favour of financial support for stay at home mothers, married but also single mothers(they struggle too). The first five years of a child are crucial in his development and there is no better place for him to be but with mum(provided that she is a loving mum of course): therefore I would encourage financial support for stay at home mothers the same way they push for free childcare. Not that I am against free childcare but I don't like the underlying idea that a stay at home mother is somehow less than a full-time working one. Especially since statistics prove that women who "have it all" are among the most depressed, due to the hardship of having to juggle with everything in the name of so called "equality"

I must go to work so I'll pause for now...
 
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