Confirming of the covenant - what it is

Do you have historical documentation of your claim? I don't think so.

I won't take the time to try to explain the first century application and meanings.

The beast from the land was from the land of the mosaic civt. The beast from the sea was thus someone from a non judean area at the time that covt was still in effect. Thus nero and that regime fits the bill. Calling fire down from heaven is an assocation with what Elisha did against the prophets of Baal. Nero was permitted to "call fire down from heaven" to make a sacrifice of the believers to himself for 3 1/2 yrs (dan 7)

Lying wonders would have probably been lies of exterminating the christians or other wonders based on lies. It would be similar to the futurist picture of gloom and doom which are based on lies, twistings and misunderstanding and misinterpreting the already fulfilled prophecies. Though some manifestations may occur, they are equally likely to be played upon by others rather than being actual fulfillments; such as even these 'marks' that your referring to.

Straightshot said:

The "mark of the veast on the hand and forehead was a first century applicatiin. It referred to givibg mental homage and allegience to Ceasar as lord (in contrast with giving personal lordship to Christ) and servin ceasar with the right hand of work or contract.

Do you have historical documentation for your claim?

I don't think you do

Here is what the scriptures tell for the time of the end, which was not in the first century

Revelation
13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

No principle political and or religious figure of ancient Rome did these things things

The mark of the beast is coming and if you refuse to submit .... you will be hunted down and your head removed .... unless you are a Koranic Muslim

Here is the mark already being displayed in the Middle East today [armband, headband, flags]

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I think this topic has veen covered. I'd just repeat things already stated to continue.

Nessiah confirms the new covt of deut 30:6-19 from his baptism, during 3 1/2 yrs of his new doctrine & truths, his death as a lamb and resurrectiin as a lion in the midst of the 7 yrs followed by 3 1/2 yrs of the covt being confirmed By Jesus in the (holy) spirit through the indwelling and recieving of those doctrines & truths for another 3 1/2 yrs after the resurrection among the people of the circumcisiin and in jerusalem first.
Rom 15:8.


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"I won't take the time to try to explain the first century application and meanings"


This doesn't surprise me ..... because you cannot do it

Douggg said:

What? you are the one making the accusation that some here don't agree that the destruction of the temple and city took place in the first century, fulfilling Luke 21:24. Are you saying that Straightshot denies that fulfillment regarding Luke 21:24 destruction of the city and sanctuary? If you are not certain, then don't make accusations.

There is no reason for you to post over and over in every thread of something that everyone here agrees to.

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When asked about the fulfillment of Luke 21:24, below is his answer from the other thread.

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Do you believe the people of Jerusalem will be killed with swords and led away captive into all nations in the future?


"No question about it

This the Muslims of the coming Caliphate will do .... they will kill in many ways like they are doing today [the Muslim "sword"] .... watch the preferred method of head cutting as we speak

Their prize target and capture will be Israel .... and they will put them on display for all the world to witness

The uprooting of Israel from the land is their objective, and to take it for themselves just like they are doing the same to indigenous populations as they roll thought the Middle East as we speak

Israel will be forced out of the land during the coming 70th week decreed by Satan's beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions .... and the Lord will come, gather the survivors from their scattering, and restore the kingdom to them [His coming millennial kingdom upon the earth]

This is why the Lord has returned Israel to the land today ....to subject them to the pressuring so that a remnant part will turn to Him

And those that do will be protected, gathered, and saved to enter and populate His millennial kingdom"

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No .... the diaspora in the first century is a matter of the historical record only .... and for just a part of Israel, the other 10 tribes were already dispersed .... representatives of both will be regathered to experience the coming 70th week 70th week

The Lord speaks congruently with His Bible prophets .... 70 AD is not in any Prophet's vision, or in His discourse

He is speaking about the coming 70 week decreed and the time of Jacob's trouble still pending

.... He just does not tell the apostles the dating and speaks to them as members of Israel [Acts 1:6-7]

The 70th week could have come in their day, but He still tarries .... when the time appointed comes He will execute [Daniel 11:35; 2 Peter 3:9]

"You are the first futurist I have ever heard take that position."


This is because most who claim the futurist position by their teaching have not yet mined deeply enough into the scriptures

It takes a long time and much dedication to the task .... many trips back to the drawing board and seeking the Lord's truth

Straightshot said:

"You are the first futurist I have ever heard take that position."


This is because most who claim the futurist position by their teaching have not yet mined deeply enough into the scriptures

It takes a long time and much dedication to the task .... many trips back to the drawing board and seeking the Lord's truth

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In other words your coming up with these ideas on your own; as you alledge of me in the thread of Gog/Magog.


Islam was formed as a denial of Jesus being the prophet of deut 18. I have seen a video by a Islamic apologist who produced and showed some of the foundational letters which Mohammed wrote or were written for him which declared himself to be the fulfillment of Deut 18:15ff and the prophet like moses to the Abrahamic peoples and especially to those of Ishmael. But, in Moses making this prophecy while making the address which formed the nation of mosaic covt law, its obvious that the new prophet would come from the people of the mosaic covt and thus the vengeance or requiring of life would also apply to those of the law who would not heed the prophet at the time and in the generatiin of his coming.

In john one, the apostles are looking for this man and Jesus affirms in John 5:45-47 to be that prophet. Peter and Stephen in Acts 3:22-24 & Acts 7 & Peter again in 2 Peter 1:16-21 refers yo this prophecy. The whole of 2 Peter is a first century application, reminder and warning of this prophecy.

Thus, what was prophecied in Deut 18:15-19 to occur in the generation in which the prophet came and to those of the mosaic covt (contract of the book of deuteronomy)? Those who woukd not heed the words of the prophet and thus the freedom of the new covt from the law of moses (and delivered to all peoples (gen 12:3 & Gal 3:6-16)? Ir says that their lives would be demanded of them. And the latter days and latter end of the nation of moses was foretold elsewhere in deut 5:25,26; 31:29; 32:20 & 29 as well as gen 49:1-10 (the end of the purposes of the geneologies); lev 26 and all the prophets since samuel as Petrr says in Acts 3.

Thus, it could rightly be said that Islam would be a fabricated religion to deny that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of the prophet like unto moses; but who else and what other religiins would deny Jesus as that prophet and thus seek to deny that the latter ends of the mosaic law AND the demanding of the lives of those who would not heed the new words of the new prophet had already transpired?

To affirm and teach the truth of Jesus as "that prophet" defeats Islam. But it also defeats mosaic covt zionism & dispensatiinal "christian" zionism since it affirms that the mosaic civt nation and "end times" ended in 70-135 AD at the time of the prophet like moses. And it also defeats the 'end times mania of the futurist perspectives since the "end times" related to these things and the establishing of the truths of the qay of the new covt of peace. The Good dictrines and truths of the new covt displaces error. The new covt (deut 30:6-14; rom 10:6-9; jer 31 etc ndew laws & truths of Jesus & "new" jerusalem within supercede, displace & fulfill the old.


Who would have 'inspired' or coached Mohamned to declare himself to be a prophet that was already fulfilled in history? I'm not thinking of a spiritual individual here (satan or the devil) but rather a political or religiius agenda.

Who else: what religious groups and teachings deny that the latter end(s)
of the ways of the mosaic covt nation occurred at the time of the coming of the new covt by the prophet like unto moses ((Jesus). What other groups or doctrines do not affirm the impact of the new prophet and the freedom and change of the new covt being already past/continuos


... and the generation of change (Ps 102).

Straightshot said:

"You are the first futurist I have ever heard take that position."


This is because most who claim the futurist position by their teaching have not yet mined deeply enough into the scriptures

It takes a long time and much dedication to the task .... many trips back to the drawing board and seeking the Lord's truth

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You must have gone to the Rosebud Reservation and found the deepest valley and then looked into the deepest Prairie Dog hole to find that one.

Straightshot said:

"You must have gone to the Rosebud Reservation and found the deepest valley and then looked into the deepest Prairie Dog hole to find that one."


No .... but I did find the charsmatic latter rain heresy of the "manifestations of the son's of god" preacher Kelly Varner in one of the holes

I heard him tell about the confirming of the covenant .... he was flat wrong

So I left him in the hole

Jesus is the One who will confirm the covenant that He has with His nation of Israel .... Varner has the wrong covenant

Just like Paul Cain, Mike Bickle, Peter Wagner, etc.

.... you know the Kansas City prophets .... same stuff

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No, I do not know the Kansas City prophets.

I doubt you found Pastor Varner, because he is not buried in South Dakota.
I never knew the man, however he knew it was Christ that confirmed the Covenant in the first century.

How do we know? Because Jesus said it in His own words.


Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

You do not need to look in a prairie dog hole to find the verse above. Try using a Bible.

Pastor Varner rejected the Darbyite/Scofield dual peoples of God, dual Gospels, dual Kingdoms of God, dual purposes of God theology, because he could not find it in his Bible.

It is a manmade doctrine.
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The latter rain heresies of the assemblies of God were uncovered long ago

If you are telling the truth that you don't know about latter day apostles and prophets .... you better do the research

Especially if you are being carried along by extensions of the same .... all really bad stuff .... a big blemish on the professing church

Straightshot said:

The latter rain heresies of the assemblies of God were uncovered long ago

If you are telling the truth that you don't know about latter day apostles and prophets .... you better do the research

Especially if you are being carried along by extensions of the same .... all really bad stuff .... a big blemish on the professing church

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If I remember correctly, the Irvingites claimed they were part of the latter rain.

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"If I remember correctly, the Irvingites claimed they were part of the latter rain."

http://www.letusreason.org/latradir.htm